Madeleine McCann

limnam · 16-03-2019 05:32PM

Kate said

“We now bitterly regret it and will do so until the end of our days.”

Because it's a balanced and normal thing to do, right?

:rolleyes:

gozunda · 16-03-2019 05:33PM

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splinter65 wrote: »

You can’t accuse someone who doesn’t agree with you of being a bad parent or being stupid. It is merely your opinion that leaving the children in their bedrooms to be checked on every half hour was neglect. Just your opinion. It doesn’t make you right and it doesn’t make you a good parent, or bright for that matter.

Nope. Incorrect.

This from the NSPCC

Advice on leaving a child at home

Babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone

Children under the age of 12 are rarely mature enough to cope in an emergency and should not be left at home alone for a long period of time

Children under the age of 16 should not be left alone overnight

Parents and carers can be prosecuted for neglect if it is judged that they placed a child at risk by leaving them at home alone

A child should never be left at home alone if they do not feel comfortable with this, regardless of their age

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/keeping-children-safe/leaving-child-home-alone/

splinter65 · 16-03-2019 05:35PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

I think Gerry is an agreement anyway

Gerry McCann told yesterday of his terrible regret at leaving his children alone on the night Madeleine disappeared.

He admitted: 'We made a mistake, but we are paying more for it than anyone could ever possibly imagine.'

If it was the right thing to do. It wouldn't be a mistake.

But this is what all these Madeleine arguments boil down too.
On one hand you have parents who are happy to admit that they’ve made human mistakes over the years and that but for the Grace of God there were no long lasting consequences. Parents who can see that ordering a meal and some wine near the pool while 1/2 hour checks on the kids were carried out might have seemed harmless and safe.
Then you have the pitch forking Lynch mob who in their own minds have never ever put a foot wrong as a parent. They live to condemn and finger point and splitter and spit bile whenever they got the opportunity and for them the McCanns just set themselves up to be the accused, forever and a day, with no right of reply. Lots of them on this thread you all know who you are.
Then you have the conspiracy nuts. There’s one or two here. I can’t call them conspiracy theorists because they simply don’t have a plausible theory for how the McCanns killed or disposed of Maddie. They just “know” that they did. And they can repeat this ad nauseum forever and a day without being challenged. Well, one woman was challenged, but she killed herself.

Plumbthedepths · 16-03-2019 05:39PM

splinter65 wrote:

But this is what all these Madeleine arguments boil down too. On one hand you have parents who are happy to admit that theyâ€™ve made human mistakes over the years and that but for the Grace of God there were no long lasting consequences. Parents who can see that ordering a meal and some wine near the pool while 1/2 hour checks on the kids were carried out might have seemed harmless and safe. Then you have the pitch forking Lynch mob who in their own minds have never ever put a foot wrong as a parent. They live to condemn and finger point and splitter and spit bile whenever they got the opportunity and for them the McCanns just set themselves up to be the accused, forever and a day, with no right of reply. Lots of them on this thread you all know who you are. Then you have the conspiracy nuts. Thereâ€™s one or two here. I canâ€™t call them conspiracy theorists because they simply donâ€™t have a plausible theory for how the McCanns killed or disposed of Maddie. They just â€œknowâ€ that they did. And they can repeat this ad nauseum forever and a day without being challenged. Well, one woman was challenged, but she killed herself.

Reading your post leads me to believe unless you see the McCanns blameless in their daughter's disappearance you are 'a nut' member of a mob etc etc.

splinter65 · 16-03-2019 05:40PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Incorrect.

This from the NSPCC

https://www.nspcc.org.uk/preventing-abuse/keeping-children-safe/leaving-child-home-alone/

But the McCanns didn’t leave their children at home alone. If the NSPCC think the McCann twins are in danger then can you explain why they haven’t been taken into care?

limnam · 16-03-2019 05:40PM

splinter65 wrote: »

But this is what all these Madeleine arguments boil down too.
On one hand you have parents who are happy to admit that they’ve made human mistakes over the years and that but for the Grace of God there were no long lasting consequences. Parents who can see that ordering a meal and some wine near the pool while 1/2 hour checks on the kids were carried out might have seemed harmless and safe.

Then you have the pitch forking Lynch mob who in their own minds have never ever put a foot wrong as a parent. They live to condemn and finger point and splitter and spit bile whenever they got the opportunity and for them the McCanns just set themselves up to be the accused, forever and a day, with no right of reply. Lots of them on this thread you all know who you are.
Then you have the conspiracy nuts. There’s one or two here. I can’t call them conspiracy theorists because they simply don’t have a plausible theory for how the McCanns killed or disposed of Maddie. They just “know” that they did. And they can repeat this ad nauseum forever and a day without being challenged. Well, one woman was challenged, but she killed herself.

Made plenty of parental mistakes, I'll make many more.

What I won't do is leave toddlers in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country while i go out drinking.

It's disgusting.
It's reckless.
There's no excuse for it. none. Zero. Never will be.

limnam · 16-03-2019 05:40PM

splinter65 wrote: »

But the McCanns didn’t leave their children at home alone.

Yes, They did.

splinter65 · 16-03-2019 05:42PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Made plenty of parental mistakes, I'll make many more.

What I won't do is leave toddlers in an unlocked apparently in a foreign country while i go out drinking.

It's disgusting.
It's reckless.
There's no excuse for it. none. Zero. Never will be.

Just your opinion. Your opinion is not worth any more then mine. You can splutter and spit as much as you like but that’s an absolute fact.

iamwhoiam · 16-03-2019 05:42PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

splinter65 wrote: »

But this is what all these Madeleine arguments boil down too.
On one hand you have parents who are happy to admit that they’ve made human mistakes over the years and that but for the Grace of God there were no long lasting consequences. Parents who can see that ordering a meal and some wine near the pool while 1/2 hour checks on the kids were carried out might have seemed harmless and safe.
Then you have the pitch forking Lynch mob who in their own minds have never ever put a foot wrong as a parent. They live to condemn and finger point and splitter and spit bile whenever they got the opportunity and for them the McCanns just set themselves up to be the accused, forever and a day, with no right of reply. Lots of them on this thread you all know who you ar.

Yep because some of us know it was wrong and will reply if another insists it wasn't .
Hands up here I was not perfect and made mistakes but never once did I put my kids to bed and walk away and leave them alone while I dined in a restaurant .
I don't think the parents harmed her but I do think they made it very easy for someone else to spot an opportunity and used it

splinter65 · 16-03-2019 05:42PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

Yes, They did.

No they didn’t.

limnam · 16-03-2019 05:43PM

splinter65 wrote: »

No they didn’t.

Who was in the apartment minding the kids?

iamwhoiam · 16-03-2019 05:44PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

splinter65 wrote: »

But the McCanns didn’t leave their children at home alone. If the NSPCC think the McCann twins are in danger then can you explain why they haven’t been taken into care?

Yes they most certainly left them home alone .. In fact so alone that someone could take one without them even noticing

the_pen_turner · 16-03-2019 05:44PM

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splinter65 wrote: »

But this is what all these Madeleine arguments boil down too.
On one hand you have parents who are happy to admit that they’ve made human mistakes over the years and that but for the Grace of God there were no long lasting consequences. Parents who can see that ordering a meal and some wine near the pool while 1/2 hour checks on the kids were carried out might have seemed harmless and safe.
Then you have the pitch forking Lynch mob who in their own minds have never ever put a foot wrong as a parent. They live to condemn and finger point and splitter and spit bile whenever they got the opportunity and for them the McCanns just set themselves up to be the accused, forever and a day, with no right of reply. Lots of them on this thread you all know who you are.
Then you have the conspiracy nuts. There’s one or two here. I can’t call them conspiracy theorists because they simply don’t have a plausible theory for how the McCanns killed or disposed of Maddie. They just “know” that they did. And they can repeat this ad nauseum forever and a day without being challenged. Well, one woman was challenged, but she killed herself.

You forgot the side that blindly believes their version of events despite numerous time being shown to be lies or plainly suspicious.

Also nobody is stopping them from replying . They are more than welcome

splinter65 · 16-03-2019 05:45PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Reading your post leads me to believe unless you see the McCanns blameless in their daughter's disappearance you are 'a nut' member of a mob etc etc.

If you can’t explain how where why and when the McCanns killed and disposed of their daughter, but you still insist that they did it then, yes, you are a nut job member of a lynch mob. What else would you be?

limnam · 16-03-2019 05:47PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Just your opinion. Your opinion is not worth any more then mine. You can splutter and spit as much as you like but that’s an absolute fact.

and of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.

But what would they know.

splinter65 · 16-03-2019 05:47PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

the_pen_turner wrote: »

You forgot the side that blindly believes their version of events despite numerous time being shown to be lies or plainly suspicious.

Also nobody is stopping them from replying . They are more than welcome

If the McCanns have been proven liars then why have they not been arrested?

splinter65 · 16-03-2019 05:49PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

and of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.

But what would they know.

The NSPCC have never said that the McCanns are or were neglectful parents. Unless you have proof that they did?

limnam · 16-03-2019 05:50PM

splinter65 wrote: »

The NSPCC have never said that the McCanns are or were neglectful parents. Unless you have proof that they did?

Never said they did. But their guidelines state that toddlers should _never_ be left home alone.

Who was minding the children if they were not alone?

iamwhoiam · 16-03-2019 05:51PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

splinter65 wrote: »

The NSPCC have never said that the McCanns are or were neglectful parents. Unless you have proof that they did?

Once again you twist words ! Its glaringly obvious now !

splinter65 · 16-03-2019 05:51PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Yes they most certainly left them home alone .. In fact so alone that someone could take one without them even noticing

But they weren’t at home. They were in a hotel being checked every 1/2 hour. Has it ever occurred to you that this satisfies the NSPCCs standard of care. It may not suit you but then your not in charge of any of these things, your just another Joe Soap with an opinion, same as everyone else....

the_pen_turner · 16-03-2019 05:52PM

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splinter65 wrote: »

If the McCanns have been proven liars then why have they not been arrested?

I don't know. But their story has some serious holes

iamwhoiam · 16-03-2019 05:53PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Once again you twist words ! Its glaringly obvious now !

The posters opinion is that children should not be left alone as is the opinion and recommendation of the NSPCC .

the_pen_turner · 16-03-2019 05:55PM

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splinter65 wrote: »

But they weren’t at home. They were in a hotel being checked every 1/2 hour. Has it ever occurred to you that this satisfies the NSPCCs standard of care. It may not suit you but then your not in charge of any of these things, your just another Joe Soap with an opinion, same as everyone else....

She was not left in a hotel. It was an apartment . The sliding door was left unlocked where any number of people could walk in off the street.
It was not a home , there could be any number of potential dangers in there that parents were un aware of.

As for the half hourly checks. That doesn't ring true either

iamwhoiam · 16-03-2019 05:56PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

splinter65 wrote: »

But they weren’t at home. They were in a hotel being checked every 1/2 hour. Has it ever occurred to you that this satisfies the NSPCCs standard of care. It may not suit you but then your not in charge of any of these things, your just another Joe Soap with an opinion, same as everyone else....

You know quite well that they were not in a hotel . They were in an apartment that was on a public road . It was part of an apartment building with some private and some rented by Mark Warner
It was not an enclosed complex never mind a hotel . But you do know that

limnam · 16-03-2019 05:56PM

splinter65 wrote: »

But they weren’t at home. They were in a hotel being checked every 1/2 hour. Has it ever occurred to you that this satisfies the NSPCCs standard of care. It may not suit you but then your not in charge of any of these things, your just another Joe Soap with an opinion, same as everyone else....

"Babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone"

Where does it say unless your only going to the pub drinking and popping back every half an hour?

They were left in an apartment. Toddlers. on thier _OWN_. while there parents drank.

Disgusting.

splinter65 · 16-03-2019 05:57PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Once again you twist words ! Its glaringly obvious now !

I’m not twisting anything. Far from it. I’m untangling the mess that’s been made of confusing what’s just an opinion and what’s a fact. If the NSPCC are happy with the McCanns then I can’t see how your opinion of their parenting skills can make any difference to anyone.

splinter65 · 16-03-2019 06:00PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

limnam wrote: »

"Babies, toddlers and very young children should never be left alone"

Where does it say unless your only going to the pub drinking and popping back every half an hour?

They were left in an apartment. Toddlers. on thier _OWN_. while there parents drank.

Disgusting.

You keep saying “disgusting”. It's as if you imagine that the more often you say that the more chance it will become an irrefutable fact.
That’s not how opinions vs facts work though. It’s still just your opinion and even if you say it 50 times it won’t make it a fact.
The McCanns didn’t go to a pub. And they weren’t at home either. Fact.

iamwhoiam · 16-03-2019 06:01PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m not twisting anything. Far from it. I’m untangling the mess that’s been made of confusing what’s just an opinion and what’s a fact. If the NSPCC are happy with the McCanns then I can’t see how your opinion of their parenting skills can make any difference to anyone.

Nor does yours for that matter . But its a discussion forum for discussing opinions

And the NSPCC are quite clear on there recommendations . At no stage did they say they were happy with the decision the Mc Canns made .

XsApollo · 16-03-2019 06:02PM

I dunno if I will watch this, it’s frightening the thought of what happened.
But I spent a long time reading and watching everything about this after it happened.
Parental mistakes are parental mistakes.
Leaving your kids alone for that length of time in a foreign country and the location to make it worse isn’t a parental mistake, it’s downright selfish and not giving a ****.
Wasn’t the first night they were left alone either.

The child was crying for an hour or 2 the night before, while they were out also, and I think if I remember correctly she wasn’t a great sleeper and did wake a lot.
But I can imagine her trying to sleep the second night after waking the night before and nobody there , she would of been ****ting herself or it definatley would of been on her mind and they still did it.

Heartless is what I say.
Anybody with kids that age as I do myself , would understand what it takes to do that.

iamwhoiam · 16-03-2019 06:04PM

She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)

splinter65 wrote: »

You keep saying “disgusting”. It's as if you imagine that the more often you say that the more chance it will become an irrefutable fact.
That’s not how opinions vs facts work though. It’s still just your opinion and even if you say it 50 times it won’t make it a fact.
The McCanns didn’t go to a pub. And they weren’t at home either. Fact.

You do know that leaving kids alone doesn't simply apply to the childrens own home don't you ?
But the word twisting is your MO isn't it

Madeleine McCann

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