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Madeleine McCann

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  • #2342
    Plumbthedepths
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    It amazes me the McCanns were not prosecuted for the crime of abandonment under Portuguese law. Leaving 3 children very young children alone was crazy.


  • #2343
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It amazes me the McCanns were not prosecuted for the crime of abandonment under Portuguese law. Leaving 3 children very young children alone was crazy.


    What would that have achieved and how would it have helped in the search for Madeleine?


  • #2344
    Plumbthedepths
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    dark crystal wrote:
    What would that have achieved and how would it have helped in the search for Madeleine?

    The McCanns broke the law, just amazed they were not prosecuted for their irresponsible behaviour.


  • #2345
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The McCanns broke the law, just amazed they were not prosecuted for their irresponsible behaviour.

    But who was going to benefit from them being charged put on trial found guilty and punished? What purpose would that serve? Children go missing all the time and are found safe and sound later. Should all those parents be charged with neglect or only the McCanns? Should all the Tapas 7 be charged with neglect or only the McCanns? Surely if they were charged with neglect then all their children should have been taken into care. Do you think that would be a good idea? Do you think that all the children are still in danger from their neglectful parents today?


  • #2346
    Plumbthedepths
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    splinter65 wrote:
    But who was going to benefit from them being charged put on trial found guilty and punished? What purpose would thstvserve? Children go missing all the time and are found safe and sound later. Should all those parents be charged with neglect or only the McCanns? Should all the Tapas 7 be charged with neglect or only the McCanns? Surely if they were charged with neglect then all their children should have been taken into care. Do you think that would be a good idea?

    So you don't believe a crime should be punished?
    As for the last part of your post, considering their irresponsible behaviour which resulted in the disappearance of their child the younger children should have been taken into care.


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  • #2347
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The McCanns broke the law, just amazed they were not prosecuted for their irresponsible behaviour.

    What law did they break? I assume your familiar with the Portuguese justice system.


  • #2348
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The McCanns broke the law, just amazed they were not prosecuted for their irresponsible behaviour.

    I have seen legal opinions that they didn't break the law in Portugal with regards to what constitutes child neglect and the same with regards the UK - which is irrelevant as they weren't in the UK.


  • #2349
    Plumbthedepths
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    splinter65 wrote:
    What law did they break? .


    Abandonment.


  • #2350
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So you don't believe a crime should be punished?
    As for the last part of your post, considering their irresponsible behaviour which resulted in the disappearance of their child the younger children should have been taken into care.

    What crime did they commit? If you believe a crime was committed then you surely know the name of the law that was broken.
    Is it not amazing to you that considering the tapas children were in so much danger from there parents, that no misfortune has befallen any of them ever since?


  • #2351
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Abandonment.

    Under which statute in Portuguese law is abondonment a crime, and what is the criteria to meet such a charge?


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  • #2352
    Plumbthedepths
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    splinter65 wrote:
    What crime did they commit? If you believe a crime was committed then you surely know the name of the law that was broken. Is it not amazing to you that considering the tapas children were in so much danger from there parents, that no misfortune has befallen any of them ever since?


    They lost one child through their irresponsible behaviour, it would have seemed bizarre if they lost another child if they continued with their behaviour. Already answered your question that you were too impatient to await an answer.


  • #2353
    Plumbthedepths
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    splinter65 wrote:
    Under which statute in Portuguese law is abondonment a crime, and what is the criteria to meet such a charge?


    It was very easy for me to find the reference to 'abandonment of a minor in Portuguese law. You can easily do the same.
    You can twist my comment any way you want but it does not change the fact that they are responsible for the disappearance of their daughter and I suspect her death by whatever circumstances it occurred.


  • #2354
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    splinter65 wrote: »
    But who was going to benefit from them being charged put on trial found guilty and punished?


    Another child of other reckless parents who don't do it as they know there's consequences ?


  • #2355
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    They lost one child through their irresponsible behaviour, it would have seemed bizarre if they lost another child if they continued with their behaviour. Already answered your question that you were too impatient to await an answer.

    No I saw your answer but you didn’t answer my question about the criteria in Portuguese justice to meet a charge of abandonment and my other query about which statute in Portuguese law mentions abandonment?


  • #2356
    Plumbthedepths
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    splinter65 wrote:
    No I saw your answer but you didn’t answer my question about the criteria in Portuguese justice to meet a charge of abandonment and my other query about which statute in Portuguese law mentions abandonment?


    You got an answer, the fact you don't like it is not my problem.


  • #2357
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    They lost one child through their irresponsible behaviour, it would have seemed bizarre if they lost another child if they continued with their behaviour. Already answered your question that you were too impatient to await an answer.

    They lost a child, but the likely culprit was a predatory pedophile. That's who should be blamed.

    Children have been taken from their bath with their parent in another room, driven away, raped and dumped. No blame on the parent's there for not keeping a closer watch - as well there shouldn't be. The blame should lie with the criminal. Literally hundreds of thousands small children drown every decade and their parents cop nothing like the flak the McCanns have to put up with from people with your mindset.

    There is no punishment you or society could visit on the McCanns that is worse than they have already received.


  • #2358
    Plumbthedepths
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    cnocbui wrote:
    They lost a child, but the likely culprit was a predatory pedophile. That's who should be blamed.

    So you believe the McCanns bare no responsibility?


  • #2359
    limnam
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    They lost a child, but the likely culprit was a predatory pedophile. That's who should be blamed.


    There's no evidence of this.


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Children have been taken from their bath with their parent in another room, driven away, raped and dumped. No blame on the parent's there for not keeping a closer watch - as well there shouldn't be. The blame should lie with the criminal. Literally hundreds of thousands small children drown every decade and their parents cop nothing like the flak the McCanns have to put up with from people with your mindset.


    Because someone was taken from a bath doesn't mean you should head of to a restraunt and leave your kids to fend for themselves.


    Your either not a parent or not very bright.




    cnocbui wrote: »

    There is no punishment you or society could visit on the McCanns that is worse than they have already received.


    That's partially true if they were not involved in her death/dissapearance


  • #2360
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    There's no evidence of this.

    There doesn't have to be. There is no evidence that points to what might have happened to Madeline. I think that Occam's razor makes the abduction theory the most plausible one.

    Because someone was taking from a bath doesn't mean you should head of to a restraunt and leave your kids to fend for themselves.


    Your either not a parent or not very bright.

    You will get a caution if you carry on with personal insults like that. I am a parent and they have both managed to reach adulthood under my irresponsible care.


  • #2361
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So you believe the McCanns bare no responsibility?

    None whatsoever.


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  • #2362
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »


    You will get a caution if you carry on with personal insults like that. I am a parent and they have both managed to reach adulthood under my irresponsible care.


    What personal insult?


    If you think it's ok to leave three kids in an aparentment while you go out to a restraunt it means only 1 of two things. You're not a parent. Or you're not very bright. E.g. a very bad parent if you think the aboe is ok, this is not a personal insult. it's a fact.


  • #2363
    Plumbthedepths
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    cnocbui wrote:
    None whatsoever.
    That's your opinion, I'm of the opinion they are fully responsible for their child's loss and more likely death.


  • #2364
    limnam
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    That's your opinion, I'm of the opinion they are fully responsible for their child's loss and more likely death.


    I think the Portuguese police called it wreckless in the docu


  • #2365
    shamrock55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,296 ✭✭✭shamrock55


    Something Else
    splinter65 wrote: »
    But who was going to benefit from them being charged put on trial found guilty and punished? What purpose would that serve? Children go missing all the time and are found safe and sound later. Should all those parents be charged with neglect or only the McCanns? Should all the Tapas 7 be charged with neglect or only the McCanns? Surely if they were charged with neglect then all their children should have been taken into care. Do you think that would be a good idea? Do you think that all the children are still in danger from their neglectful parents today?

    Well for one thing, the other 2 children would benefit from their parents never leaving them alone in a strange place again if nothing else


  • #2366
    Plumbthedepths
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    limnam wrote:
    I think the Portuguese police called it wreckless in the docu


    I would imagine they were being conservative with their description of the McCanns actions.


  • #2367
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    limnam wrote: »
    What personal insult?


    If you think it's ok to leave three kids in an aparentment while you go out to a restraunt it means only 1 of two things. You're not a parent. Or you're not very bright. E.g. a very bad parent if you think the aboe is ok, this is not a personal insult. it's a fact.

    Saying someone isn't 'very bright' because you don't agree with them is a personal insult, it's not an argument. What you are claiming as fact is actually just a personal opinion.


  • #2368
    shamrock55
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    Something Else
    The 2 things I took from the single episode I watched was when one of the mcanns friends went to check but only went to the bedroom door but never looked in apparently, why would you get up from your dinner, walk 100yrds to check children yet not even bother to poke your head through an open door
    I find that extraordinary tbh, also the fact that they let the side door that lead directly onto the street open is mind boggling unless of course this was the plan and their conststant checking was only to see had the job been done, after all the first thing Kate said was they've taken madeline


  • #2369
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    She wandered out herself, something happened (car accident/paedo)
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You got an answer, the fact you don't like it is not my problem.

    So you think they should have been charged with “abandonment” but you don’t know if such a crime exists in Portugal and you don’t know what the criteria is either. Gotcha.


  • #2370
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Saying someone isn't 'very bright' because you don't agree with them is a personal insult, it's not an argument. What you are claiming as fact is actually just a personal opinion.


    This is not about disagreeing with you.


    Leaving your kids alone while you go to the pub is wreckless. ( this is been kind)



    Only a complete idiot would think otherwise.


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  • #2371
    Plumbthedepths
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    splinter65 wrote:
    So you think they should have been charged with “abandonment†but you don’t know if such a crime exists in Portugal and you don’t know what the criteria is either. Gotcha.


    Funny the Sun carried a story quoting the Portuguese interior minister who stated they considered making the McCanns aguidos for child abandonment. The article is easily found but again I don't suppose searching would suit your agenda.


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