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Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 09:54PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That might not be up to them.

i think the EU must be losing patience with this nonsense.
just watching SkyNews. the whole thing is bordering (no pun intended) on utter madness.

Mother of all Parliaments?
Mother of all Fcuk Ups morelike.

Working class heroes · 13-03-2019 10:12PM

janfebmar wrote: »

Blame the British if they did, and blame the British if they did not.

The British said they do not want a hard border in Ireland, and we will achieve that by having a very close economic relationship to the EU in the future.

Instead of a close economic relationship to the UK, Leo and the EU wanted to divide the UK instead. So the backstop came about.

We'll have the begging bowl out to the EU yet again. I reckon the EU will shaft us again, like in the bailout crisis, they will want something in return, like harmonisation of corporation tax rates across Europe, the tax from multinationals here...

Ah. Another Brexit thread reject. Yawn.

Esel · 13-03-2019 10:29PM

They have set us up the bomb.

/thread

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 10:49PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Leo doesn’t control the EU.

The same Leo Varadkar who arrogantly boasted ‘I am the EU’ ahead of Brexit meeting last month with Theresa May?

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The EU has bent over backwards to not have a hard border.

Actually by refusing to do a deal with the UK and by being so insistent the UK should be broken up (by having a border down the Irish sea / the North channel ( which is the name of the water between N. Ireland and Scotland ), and by wanting to punish the UK, they have made the prospect of a hard border much more likely.

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 10:54PM

janfebmar wrote: »

The same Leo Varadkar who arrogantly boasted ‘I am the EU’ ahead of Brexit meeting last month with Theresa May?

Actually by refusing to do a deal with the UK and by being so insistent the UK should be broken up (by having a border down the Irish sea / the North channel ( which is the name of the water between N. Ireland and Scotland ), and by wanting to punish the UK, they have made the prospect of a hard border much more likely.

The ERG now saying that they will do the deal. DUP being shafted by Rees Mogg & Co. after being shafted by May (who included the backstop) in her deal.

At the very least the DUP might understand when the Irish and many others in the world talk about 'perfidious Albion' after this.

^BTW Leo is 'the EU' as I am and all it's members are.

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 11:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The ERG now saying that they will do the deal. DUP being shafted by Rees Mogg & Co. after being shafted by May (who included the backstop) in her deal.

At the very least the DUP might understand when the Irish and many others in the world talk about 'perfidious Albion' after this.

^BTW Leo is 'the EU' as I am and all it's members are.

The DUP were not shafted, the HOC voted last night by 391 votes to 242, showing it agreed with the DUP to reject a deal that had a border in the Irish sea / North Channel.

It was not just the DUP who made the difference in the numbers.

And as for the arrogant Leo, he is the p.m. of a country which is 1% of the E.U. He is not the EU, despite what he may think.

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 11:12PM

janfebmar wrote: »

The DUP were not shafted, the HOC voted last night by 391 votes to 242, showing it agreed with the DUP to reject a deal that had a border in the Irish sea / North Channel.

It was not just the DUP who made the difference in the numbers.

And as for the arrogant Leo, he is the p.m. of a country which is 1% of the E.U. He is not the EU, despite what he may think.

Keep in touch with events. The UK's choices are fast reducing to 2. May's deal or no Brexit at all, because nobody really believes the fantasy about life after a No Deal.
In both scenarios the DUP don't get their way. Which is great for this whole island.

And that '1%' has forced it to this.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 11:23PM

if there's thing i can say with certainty about this whole Brexit fiasco is that there is no way of knowing what might or might not happen. it just doesn't change from week to week, but from day to day.

some posters on here are attempting to make snap predictions, and as is their wont they end up looking silly and exposing their inherent bias and lack of judgement.

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 11:29PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Keep in touch with events. The UK's choices are fast reducing to 2.

You forget that tonight's vote can't actually change the UK's legal position, which is that without deal -- or unless both the UK and the EU agree to delay Brexit -- Britain will gain its independence of the bloc in just over two weeks

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In both scenarios the DUP don't get their way.

The DUP want to maintain the integrity of the UK, that is why they are unionists. Of course they get their way, the alternative is worse.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 11:33PM

janfebmar wrote: »

You forget that tonight's vote can't actually change the UK's legal position, which is that without deal -- or unless both the UK and the EU agree to delay Brexit -- Britain will gain its independence of the bloc in just over two weeks

The DUP want to maintain the integrity of the UK, that is why they are unionists. Of course they get their way, the alternative is worse.

tbh at times it looks like our Govt has been hijacked by the shinners. Varadkar needs to wake up.

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 11:35PM

janfebmar wrote: »

You forget that tonight's vote can't actually change the UK's legal position, which is that without deal -- or unless both the UK and the EU agree to delay Brexit -- Britain will gain its independence of the bloc in just over two weeks

Would you bet money on that? Because I will bet any money they will not be leaving in 2 weeks.

The DUP want to maintain the integrity of the UK, that is why they are unionists. Of course they get their way, the alternative is worse.

No, they will not get their way. They have more or less been sidelined now.

It is May's deal or No Brexit at all.

The UK may accidentally fall out (they are incompetent and divided enough for that to happen) but the backstop does not go away - it will still be there when they come looking for a necessary trade deal.

This writing on the wall has been there for quite some time - it really is beyond time that it was grasped. The HOC is slowly doing it.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 11:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Would you bet money on that? Because I will bet any money they will not be leaving in 2 weeks.

No, they will not get their way. They have more or less been sidelined now.

It is May's deal or No Brexit at all.

The UK may accidentally fall out (they are incompetent and divided enough for that to happen) but the backstop does not go away - it will still be there when they come looking for a necessary trade deal.

This writing on the wall has been there for quite some time - it really is beyond time that it was grasped. The HOC is slowly doing it.

frankie please, please stop making predictions.
we all know you've called this whole debacle incorrectly at every juncture.

J Cheever Loophole · 14-03-2019 12:38AM

janfebmar wrote: »

The DUP want to maintain the integrity of the UK, that is why they are unionists. Of course they get their way, the alternative is worse.

At this stage I would assume that if the DUP were to get their way, then the scenario is either a no deal brexit or some other form of hard brexit (which is unlikely at this stage). In such circumstances their 'victory' could prove to be of the pyrrhic kind, as it is likely that there will be huge pressure for a second Scottish referendum and a significant threat - in the circumstances above - of Scotland voting to leave.

In such a scenario, the integrity of the UK will have been fatally compromised and issues such as a border poll in the North are likely to be very much on the agenda in the context of economic woes brought about by the DUP's 'victory'. As some of the political correspondents like to say up here, "all bets would be off!"

FrancieBrady · 14-03-2019 12:45AM

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

At this stage I would assume that if the DUP were to get their way, then the scenario is either a no deal brexit or some other form of hard brexit (which is unlikely at this stage). In such circumstances their 'victory' could prove to be of the pyrrhic kind, as it is likely that there will be huge pressure for a second Scottish referendum and a significant threat - in the circumstances above - of Scotland voting to leave.

In such a scenario, the integrity of the UK will have been fatally compromised and issues such as a border poll in the North are likely to be very much on the agenda in the context of economic woes brought about by the DUP's 'victory'. As some of the political correspondents like to say up here, "all bets would be off!"

They'd better hope a true Brexiteer PM never gets in, because the GFA and the Irish people in both jurisdictions have very clearly and profoundly demonstrated their power and it is NI that is keeping them from getting what they want.

janfebmar · 14-03-2019 01:17AM

Varadkar sneering remark directed at the British (after the other "special place in hell" remark) and his insistence at the backstop shows how much he respects unionists, the majority in N.I. . If there was a Brexit with a backstop, as said before it brings a whole raft of very real new Dublin political power over NI, because of NI having EU regulations without representation, while Dublin would be there in Brussels. Under the backstop, Dublin would be the place where the real decision-making over European issues affecting N Ireland would happen. Now for unionists, Dublin not respecting either UK sovereignty or unionist people in N Ireland, and acting in a partisan pro-nationalist way, is an extremely touchy issue - so I can understand why that would be really incendiary to them. I think Varadkar has behaved unreasonably and rudely towards our biggest trading partner (the UK is the jurisdiction which is the biggest supplier of our imports, 2nd biggest customer for exports, biggest source of our tourists).

FrancieBrady · 14-03-2019 01:29AM

janfebmar wrote: »

Varadkar sneering remark directed at the British (after the other "special place in hell" remark) and his insistence at the backstop shows how much he respects unionists, the majority in N.I. . If there was a Brexit with a backstop, as said before it brings a whole raft of very real new Dublin political power over NI, because of NI having EU regulations without representation, while Dublin would be there in Brussels. Under the backstop, Dublin would be the place where the real decision-making over European issues affecting N Ireland would happen. Now for unionists, Dublin not respecting either UK sovereignty or unionist people in N Ireland, and acting in a partisan pro-nationalist way, is an extremely touchy issue - so I can understand why that would be really incendiary to them. I think Varadkar has behaved unreasonably and rudely towards our biggest trading partner (the UK is the jurisdiction which is the biggest supplier of our imports, 2nd biggest customer for exports, biggest source of our tourists).

The Irish and the rest of our partners in the EU have clearly and unequivocally stated our position from the get go - while the UK have faffed about, agreed, didn't agree, played silly buggers like the tarrif nonsense this am - and we are where we where 2 years ago: if you want a deal, northern Ireland gets special status in deference to those who don't respect the 'integrity' of the UK regarding it.

The DUP have succeeded in alienating themselves from their business and farming interests and a whole (previously un-informed) raft of people in the UK and in educating a whole raft of UK politicians on their commitments to the GFA. Which they show no appetite for ignoring. (a good thing...thank you DUP)

Tonight showed how well we in the EU have played this, it is Deal or No Deal as far as we are concerned and the UK have decided one of those options is unpalatable.

Sofiztikated · 14-03-2019 01:33AM

janfebmar wrote: »

Varadkar sneering remark directed at the British (after the other "special place in hell" remark) and his insistence at the backstop shows how much he respects unionists, the majority in N.I. . If there was a Brexit with a backstop, as said before it brings a whole raft of very real new Dublin political power over NI, because of NI having EU regulations without representation, while Dublin would be there in Brussels. Under the backstop, Dublin would be the place where the real decision-making over European issues affecting N Ireland would happen. Now for unionists, Dublin not respecting either UK sovereignty or unionist people in N Ireland, and acting in a partisan pro-nationalist way, is an extremely touchy issue - so I can understand why that would be really incendiary to them. I think Varadkar has behaved unreasonably and rudely towards our biggest trading partner (the UK is the jurisdiction which is the biggest supplier of our imports, 2nd biggest customer for exports, biggest source of our tourists).

Britain makes up about 38% of our total tourist numbers, compared to about 36.5% being mainland Europe, but they only make up about 21% of total tourist spend.

janfebmar · 14-03-2019 01:44AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Britain makes up about 38% of our total tourist numbers, compared to about 36.5% being mainland Europe,

Even though tourist numbers from mainland Britain (as opposed to the UK) fell by 5% to only 38.1% of our visitors, it is noteworthy that they still outnumber all the tourists from all of the countries from mainland Europe combined.

FrancieBrady · 14-03-2019 01:54AM

janfebmar wrote: »

Even though tourist numbers from mainland Britain (as opposed to the UK) fell by 5% to only 38.1% of our visitors, it is noteworthy that they still outnumber all the tourists from all of the countries from mainland Europe combined.

So, just like the UK has to look for trade deals elsewhere, we have to spend the millions on promotion we spend in the UK elsewhere, if they no longer can afford to come.
Adjustment, with no impediments that the UK will have as a 3rd country, is all that is required.

janfebmar · 14-03-2019 02:00AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So, just like the UK has to look for trade deals elsewhere, we have to spend the millions on promotion we spend in the UK elsewhere,

We already spend millions on promotion to try to get people to come. Even a 10 or 15% fall in tourism numbers will hit the industry here hard, and the downturn in Europe will not help either.

FrancieBrady · 14-03-2019 08:15AM

janfebmar wrote: »

We already spend millions on promotion to try to get people to come. Even a 10 or 15% fall in tourism numbers will hit the industry here hard, and the downturn in Europe will not help either.

The Irish people in northern Ireland and even those who identify as British in the north (Even though many can't see it) were never going to be abandoned for a temporary downturn. There is a huge principle of the EU at stake in all this.

Unionists in the north have been sold out a number of times already by the UK, they may not publicly admit it though. Doesn't change the reality though.

NIMAN · 14-03-2019 08:21AM

I think this thread has gone way off topic.

All this chat would be a good addition to the Brexit thread.

14-03-2019 09:09AM

Francie is treating Brexit like a World Cup game involving England.

Even though Ireland need England to get at least a draw for Ireland to progress to the next stage, he is so full of hatred he would rather see Ireland go out than see England win.

It is bizarre.

FrancieBrady · 14-03-2019 09:28AM

Aegir wrote: »

Francie is treating Brexit like a World Cup game involving England.

Even though Ireland need England to get at least a draw for Ireland to progress to the next stage, he is so full of hatred he would rather see Ireland go out than see England win.

It is bizarre.

The need of the little Englander to see any criticism of it as 'hate' has been what is bizarre.
'The French hate us, The Germans hate us, the Poles hate us, the Scots here us....etc etc etc.

janfebmar · 14-03-2019 10:13AM

Aegir wrote: »

Francie is treating Brexit like a World Cup game involving England.

Even though Ireland need England to get at least a draw for Ireland to progress to the next stage, he is so full of hatred he would rather see Ireland go out than see England win.

It is bizarre.

18,300 posts, 60 hours a week, he is a pro at it.

Timberrrrrrrr · 14-03-2019 10:45AM

Aegir wrote: »

Francie is treating Brexit like a World Cup game involving England.

Even though Ireland need England to get at least a draw for Ireland to progress to the next stage, he is so full of hatred he would rather see Ireland go out than see England win.

It is bizarre.

You should read his comments in the world cup thread to see how spot in the mark you are, the dissappointment from him when their was no trouble from the English fans was particularly funny :pac:

FrancieBrady · 14-03-2019 10:53AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You should read his comments in the world cup thread to see how spot in the mark you are, the dissappointment from him when their was no trouble from the English fans was particularly funny :pac:

I'd have called it 'relief' myself.

I make no bones about hating a certain type of arrogant and belligerent English engagement and behaviour abroad btw.
The Brexiteer anti EU sentiment is particularly evident in Soccer fandom and almost absent in Rugby fandom, an anomaly which is worthy of discussion in and off itself.

The English/British people in general? Like the Irish there are good and bad, worthy and unworthy, those I would criticise and those whom I would praise.

Timberrrrrrrr · 14-03-2019 10:59AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'd have called it 'relief' myself.

I make no bones about hating a certain type of arrogant and belligerent English engagement and behaviour abroad btw.
The Brexiteer anti EU sentiment is particularly evident in Soccer fandom and almost absent in Rugby fandom, an anomaly which is worthy of discussion in and off itself.

The English/British people in general? Like the Irish there are good and bad, worthy and unworthy, those I would criticise and those whom I would praise.

Yet when the French won and their supporters rioted you were strangely quiet on the subject, it's like you have some sort of agenda that i just can't put my finger on :rolleyes:

cgcsb · 14-03-2019 10:59AM

janfebmar wrote: »

unionists, the majority in N.I.

What evidence have you for your assertion of a unionist majority in NI?

2017 assembly:

40 Unionists, 39 Nationalists and 11 Others (although PBP are effectively a nationalist party, meaning there's effectively 40 nationalists and 10 others).

Unionism would have to have 46 seats in the assembly to constitute a 'majority' they are 6 seats shy of that at present and their voters are dying of old age.

FrancieBrady · 14-03-2019 11:32AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yet when the French won and their supporters rioted you were strangely quiet on the subject, it's like you have some sort of agenda that i just can't put my finger on :rolleyes:

Again, which bit of

hating a certain type of arrogant and belligerent English engagement and behaviour abroad btw.

did you not understand.

It is particularly relevant to people in Ireland, which is why I comment on it, on an Irish forum. You attempting to close down any criticism of it makes it look like you have an agenda tbh. Do you?

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