Car bomb has exploded in Derry City Centre

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-03-2019 12:28PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

Bang on!
the EU & the Irish Govt has acted appallingly in these negotiations, and i believe it may well come back to haunt us. the EU will ditch us (and our precious Backstop) when it suits them, just like they did during the bailout crisis, and where will little old ireland be then?

Far from acting appallingly they have acted with utter restraint. The backstop was designed to fix the insane borderless border that the British government wanted. The British government have no plan but rather expect the EU to blink for some reason.

o1s1n · 13-03-2019 01:01PM

Anyone else get a bit of a shock and think another car bomb has been detonated when this thread pops back up on the main page?

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 01:45PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Far from acting appallingly they have acted with utter restraint. The backstop was designed to fix the insane borderless border that the British government wanted. The British government have no plan but rather expect the EU to blink for some reason.

the Backstop is the problem, and will eventually need to be modified.
by being so dogmatic and so anxious to stuff it up the brits, we are in danger of painting ourselves into a corner and destroying our economy in the process.

mattser · 13-03-2019 01:47PM

o1s1n wrote: »

Anyone else get a bit of a shock and think another car bomb has been detonated when this thread pops back up on the main page?

Absolutely. Should've been changed long ago.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-03-2019 01:50PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

the Backstop is the problem, and will eventually need to be modified.
by being so dogmatic and so anxious to stuff it up the brits, we are in danger of painting ourselves into a corner and destroying our economy in the process.

The backstop was a way of allowing Britain to exit without a hard border. Which they want. Including unionists. Northern Ireland was to be allowed in the customs union. This was a concession.

Of course it puts a border in the Irish Sea. Nothing is for free.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 01:51PM

o1s1n wrote: »

Anyone else get a bit of a shock and think another car bomb has been detonated when this thread pops back up on the main page?

maybe the car bomb is a metaphor?

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 03:11PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The backstop was a way of allowing Britain to exit without a hard border. Which they want. Including unionists. Northern Ireland was to be allowed in the customs union. This was a concession.

Of course it puts a border in the Irish Sea. Nothing is for free.

Dunno if you realise, just how big the farming lobby is in this country.
putting on the green jersey is grand, but if means you've destroyed your economy then we'll end up looking a bit silly.

dermo888 · 13-03-2019 03:51PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

the Backstop is the problem, and will eventually need to be modified.
by being so dogmatic and so anxious to stuff it up the brits, we are in danger of painting ourselves into a corner and destroying our economy in the process.

Its about time we gambled, and kick them while they're down. They did it to us when they ruled us, and by doing so we'll actually be 'helping' the ordinary British people by showing up the vile and utterly repulsive Tory Party for what it is.

A mob of toffee nosed, elitist, scolded, closetted bisexual public schoolboys with no relevance in the modern world.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 04:02PM

dermo888 wrote: »

Its about time we gambled, and kick them while they're down. They did it to us when they ruled us, and by doing so we'll actually be 'helping' the ordinary British people by showing up the vile and utterly repulsive Tory Party for what it is.

A mob of toffee nosed, elitist, scolded, closetted bisexual public schoolboys with no relevance in the modern world.

dermo i really hope you are just taking the michael, but having seen several of the contributions by posters on this and other threads, i kinda wonder.

Keeping the Backstop in its' present form is LOSE-LOSE for all concerned!

Guy:Incognito · 13-03-2019 04:04PM

janfebmar wrote: »

There are lots of countries around the world doing nicely because they are not in the EU. In fact the EU is the slowest growing region in the world. Sure the UK will suffer economically in the short term at least, as will the EU, but at least they will have their freedom and independence.

Surely the UK should split up? To give Scotland , Wales and northern Ireland their freedom and independence. Unions run from afar (london) are bad are they not?

Then all of the UK countries can prosper on their own as theres no downside?

Working class heroes · 13-03-2019 04:09PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

dermo i really hope you are just taking the michael, but having seen several of the contributions by posters on this and other threads, i kinda wonder.

Keeping the Backstop in its' present form is LOSE-LOSE for all concerned!

What’s your solution?

zapitastas · 13-03-2019 04:10PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Surely the UK should split up? To give Scotland , Wales and northern Ireland their freedom and independence. Unions run from afar (london) are bad are they not?

Then all of the UK countries can prosper on their own as theres no downside?

For sure, but sure go further, I think fermanagh could make a good go of it going solo

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 04:16PM

Working class heroes wrote: »

What’s your solution?

not entirely sure tbh, but a compromise of some sort needs to be found.
the consequences of not are too serious

Working class heroes · 13-03-2019 05:45PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

not entirely sure tbh, but a compromise of some sort needs to be found.
the consequences of not are too serious

Yep, thought as much.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-03-2019 06:20PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

Dunno if you realise, just how big the farming lobby is in this country.
putting on the green jersey is grand, but if means you've destroyed your economy then we'll end up looking a bit silly.

Britain maybe a big market but it’s not the only one. I’m sure they will get some money to compensate.

But what exactly should Ireland do? Britain is leaving. It’s applying tarrifs. That’s their decision.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-03-2019 06:22PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

dermo i really hope you are just taking the michael, but having seen several of the contributions by posters on this and other threads, i kinda wonder.

Keeping the Backstop in its' present form is LOSE-LOSE for all concerned!

The backstop is literally the only way to allow there to be no border on this island. The only way. Im sure that most people in the UK don't care if the border is in the Irish Sea, its a historical anomaly that the DUP is supporting the conservatives in this parliament.

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 06:29PM

Unionists: We don't want the backstop, the backstop is wrong.

EU: Can you suggest a better way that will work outside of fantasy comics?

Unionists: Um...

Basically we have had 2 or more years of this. And still it goes on.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 07:39PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

The backstop is literally the only way to allow there to be no border on this island. The only way. Im sure that most people in the UK don't care if the border is in the Irish Sea, its a historical anomaly that the DUP is supporting the conservatives in this parliament.

No you are wrong!
the backstop is actually going to help create a hard border.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-03-2019 08:04PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

No you are wrong!
the backstop is actually going to help create a hard border.

Here

The UK government is committed to avoiding a “hard” Border between Northern Ireland and the Republic, given that the current lack of border checks is seen as a big achievement of the Belfast Agreement. UK negotiators believe any trade agreement that it eventually signs with the EU will achieve that goal. However, it may take years to conclude a trade pact with the EU and to find the technology that guarantees a frictionless Border. As a result, the EU has insisted that the UK agree to a “backstop” that guarantees that an invisible Border remains in place until the new trade arrangements are up and running.

From

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/brexit-what-is-the-backstop-agreement-and-why-does-it-matter-1.3571135?mode=amp

What’s causing a hard border is the fact that the U.K. is leaving the EU. The back stop moved that border to the Irish Sea.

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 08:38PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

by being so dogmatic and so anxious to stuff it up the brits, we are in danger of painting ourselves into a corner and destroying our economy in the process.

Well said. The EU and Leo should have done a deal with the UK for free trade, or as free a trade as possible, and a trade deal, instead of having the attitude that they want to punish the UK as much as possible.

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

the backstop is actually going to help create a hard border.

Correct. There is more trade between N. Ireland and the rest of the UK than there is North - South in Ireland. There should not be a border in the Irish sea.
Plus it makes no sense to put a an economic border between 2 parts of the same jurisdiction.

o1s1n wrote: »

Anyone else get a bit of a shock and think another car bomb has been detonated when this thread pops back up on the main page?

Correct, this thread should be locked?

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 08:58PM

janfebmar wrote: »

Correct. There is more trade between N. Ireland and the rest of the UK than there is North - South in Ireland. There should not be a border in the Irish sea.
Plus it makes no sense to put a an economic border between 2 parts of the same jurisdiction.

this evening's vote to take a no deal off the table is meaningless as it is non binding.
the way it's heading i can see them Brexiting by default with no deal.

of course certain posters will be delighted, but that's a bit like laughing while your neighbour's house catches fire, but forgetting you're house & his are semi-attached.

bodhrandude · 13-03-2019 09:00PM

This thread should be closed its nearly a month old and people are going to get confused about this bombing that happened in Derry over three weeks ago.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 09:07PM

interesting article on the backstop and how it really needs to be changed.

It is quite clear that Dublin and Brussels did not think through the constitutional dimension of the backstop when they dramatically put it on the table 16 months ago. Their position since has been to deny that there are constitutional implications. In normal times, a government claiming that black was white would have the opposition and media come down on it like a ton of bricks. But such is the extent of green-jersey wearing now, few people in this jurisdiction are prepared to state the facts.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/dan-obrien-prepare-for-more-brexit-nightmares-after-a-peculiarly-british-revolution-37896529.html

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 09:11PM

Panic over...these people are too afraid of the beautiful world of 'independence and freedom and the upland pastures of free trade'.
They are not going to Brexit at all.

Working class heroes · 13-03-2019 09:14PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

interesting article on the backstop and how it really needs to be changed.
It is quite clear that Dublin and Brussels did not think through the constitutional dimension of the backstop when they dramatically put it on the table 16 months ago. Their position since has been to deny that there are constitutional implications. In normal times, a government claiming that black was white would have the opposition and media come down on it like a ton of bricks. But such is the extent of green-jersey wearing now, few people in this jurisdiction are prepared to state the facts.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/dan-obrien-prepare-for-more-brexit-nightmares-after-a-peculiarly-british-revolution-37896529.html

They didn't put the backstop on the table, the British did. Bearing this in mind it's safe to say the rest of that article is a crock of sh1te, as well you know.

BTW, I'd love to see your thoughts aired over in the Brexit thread. Why don't you give it a go?

janfebmar · 13-03-2019 09:45PM

Working class heroes wrote: »

They didn't put the backstop on the table, the British did.

Blame the British if they did, and blame the British if they did not.

The British said they do not want a hard border in Ireland, and we will achieve that by having a very close economic relationship to the EU in the future.

Instead of a close economic relationship to the UK, Leo and the EU wanted to divide the UK instead. So the backstop came about.

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

the EU & the Irish Govt has acted appallingly in these negotiations, and i believe it may well come back to haunt us. the EU will ditch us (and our precious Backstop) when it suits them, just like they did during the bailout crisis, and where will little old ireland be then?

We'll have the begging bowl out to the EU yet again. I reckon the EU will shaft us again, like in the bailout crisis, they will want something in return, like harmonisation of corporation tax rates across Europe, the tax from multinationals here...

Wheres Me Jumper? · 13-03-2019 09:47PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Panic over...these people are too afraid of the beautiful world of 'independence and freedom and the upland pastures of free trade'.
They are not going to Brexit at all.

is that another of your infamous predictions?:D

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-03-2019 09:48PM

janfebmar wrote: »

Well said. The EU and Leo should have done a deal with the UK for free trade, or as free a trade as possible, and a trade deal, instead of having the attitude that they want to punish the UK as much as possible.

Leo doesn’t control the EU. The EU has bent over backwards to not have a hard border. It now needs to kick the uk out.

Correct. There is more trade between N. Ireland and the rest of the UK than there is North - South in Ireland. There should not be a border in the Irish sea.
Plus it makes no sense to put a an economic border between 2 parts of the same jurisdiction.

That’s irrelevant to the point about a hard border on this island

Correct, this thread should be locked?

I don’t think you are a mod.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 13-03-2019 09:49PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Panic over...these people are too afraid of the beautiful world of 'independence and freedom and the upland pastures of free trade'.
They are not going to Brexit at all.

That might not be up to them.

FrancieBrady · 13-03-2019 09:52PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That might not be up to them.

I agree, if they leave, it will because they have been kicked out. They haven't the courage to do it themselves. The closer to the edge they get the more backpedaling they are doing.

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