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Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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  • #5552
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    rob316 wrote: »
    They are low life wasters because they have been dumped or grew up in an address that has a bad name. Employers won't look at ya, colleges don't even come to your school about 3rd level education, **** facilities.

    It's demeaning and you end up turning to crime, wasting your life on the dole.
    Have a few kids by your early 20s, free house, live off the state. Rinse and repeat.

    The cycle has to be broken. I firmly believe you are a product of your environment.

    Some generalizations there.

    Blaming everyone except the individual.


  • #5553
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    rob316 wrote: »
    They are low life wasters because they have been dumped or grew up in an address that has a bad name. Employers won't look at ya, colleges don't even come to your school about 3rd level education, **** facilities.

    It's demeaning and you end up turning to crime, wasting your life on the dole.
    Have a few kids by your early 20s, free house, live off the state. Rinse and repeat.

    The cycle has to be broken. I firmly believe you are a product of your environment.

    Rubbish. I grew up in a council estate in North Clondalkin in the 80s when there really was fcuk all to do. Out of me and my 4 brothers, 4 of us are tradesmen. I had classmates go to Trinity. I have worked from the age of 15.

    And this is from someone whos dad got injured when I was 7 and never worked again.

    The neck of you to tar everyone with the same brush.


  • #5554
    deceit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭deceit


    rob316 wrote: »
    They are low life wasters because they have been dumped or grew up in an address that has a bad name. Employers won't look at ya, colleges don't even come to your school about 3rd level education, **** facilities.

    It's demeaning and you end up turning to crime, wasting your life on the dole.
    Have a few kids by your early 20s, free house, live off the state. Rinse and repeat.

    The cycle has to be broken. I firmly believe you are a product of your environment.


    I grew up in a ****ty area (right beside liffey valley) and I went to a crappy school. Principal told us in our final year the school had the lowest grades on average for leaving cert the previous year.
    I still did well for myself (2 degrees and multiple other qualifications) along with a very interesting and high paying job. (I got this from working HARD and not from expecting it to be handed out)

    The comments sound like excuses. I still put my family home as my address for work as I move a lot and never once did it impact me getting a job.

    Over half the people in my estate were utter scum (other half were usually extremely nice). These first half no matter were you put them, they were going to end up the same way (on the dole/overdosed/killed in gangs). The second set most ended up like me and move onwards to better things.


  • #5555
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Rubbish. I grew up in a council estate in North Clondalkin in the 80s when there really was fcuk all to do. Out of me and my 4 brothers, 4 of us are tradesmen. I had classmates go to Trinity. I have worked from the age of 15.

    And this is from someone whos dad got injured when I was 7 and never worked again.

    The neck of you to tar everyone with the same brush.

    Sorry my reply was tongue in cheek to the guy that called social housing tenants wasters.

    I live in council house also and work very hard.

    Some people rise above it and others don't, it also depends on your home environment.


  • #5556
    El_Bee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    God the "there's no facilities" argument, again. 4 robbed cars this week, bikes going daily up and down roads an through estates, open air drug dealing, there was a gang last night of about 15 kids, oldest was 13-14 if I'm being generous loitering at about 25 past 11 last night (that's what time they our area anyway). We have:
    3 different centres with astro pitches
    Swimming Pool
    2 Youth Clubs
    Library
    Each school has an after school club.

    There's no accountability "my kids are running wild, but it's not my fault because there's no facilities, if I got more money from the social maybe I'd be arsed to parent them". Who the **** lets their young kids out till after 11? Who thinks it's a good idea to buy a child a motorbike? And here's a great one, the apologists are out in force "we need a motorbike track for these guys", should we build them a firing range for them to shoot their guns too? (the bulk of these guys are violent drug dealers in case you didn't know, and their monotonous driving up and down roads and estates is essentially them cocking the leg and pissing all over the area, they wouldn't be interested in being out of public sight).


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  • #5557
    washiskin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭washiskin


    I came from a low income household who, until I was 8, lived in a house with no running water or toilet. We applied for a council house in the late 70s and were lucky to have been given one. From the moment we were finished the leaving, we were sent out to work. Both my parents worked and we never, ever brought trouble to the door......my Ma would gave leathered us. Once, in my 20s a Garda arrived out to my Da with a parking fine for me..... I didn't hear the end of it for months.

    I'm sick of the usual excuses, nothing to do, bad area to be reared in, no hope of a job because of no chances to advance in education. The State spends a fortune trying to keep people in education, even in adulthood. Take responsibility, ffs! If you rear your kids like feral animals you shoulder massive blame for them becoming gob****es.:mad:


  • #5558
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Dannyriver wrote: »
    Well said, i'm from limerick and the same problems occur here, the more notorious housing estates were built on the outskirts of the city in the 80's and they were all thrown in there en masse with **** all facilities and the added stigma that the address alone instigated discrimination when it came to employment a generation on and we have issues with social disorder. It has nothing to do with race/religion/colour it has to do with inequality . Sociological research backs this up for decades, anyone who says differently needs to read a book that deals with underlying causes and not the symptoms.

    Your first mistake is taking anything you read from a sociology book seriously, it's Marxist BS.

    My mother in law teaches in one of the primary schools which caters to one of the worst parts of limerick city

    They are not short of anything in terms of facilities but kids still come e to school without breakfast and dirty, the parents are wasted much of the time, are so useless, the kids can't hold a pencil aged five, welfare is generous in Ireland, education is free, the kids in these places grow up much richer than the majority of children in the 1950, s

    Left wing idiots have been hammering these people with a message they have no agency or power to improve their lot (and be the best they can be) and it's toxic


  • #5559
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    rob316 wrote: »
    Sorry my reply was tongue in cheek to the guy that called social housing tenants wasters.

    I live in council house also and work very hard.

    Some people rise above it and others don't, it also depends on your home environment.

    Ah here.

    Your reply was anything but tongue in cheek give it over.


  • #5560
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Not everyone no but a huge proportion.

    Problem is it takes one family to wreak havoc in an estate.

    Dumping a few of these lads and their families in private estates is your solution?

    It's ideologically driven, it's also incredibly condescending, it assumes you need middle class people to civilise those from working class backgrounds


  • #5561
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    It's ideologically driven, it's also incredibly condescending, it assumes you need middle class people to civilise those from working class backgrounds

    The more you pander to these people the more lazy they become and want more and more.

    Like a child behaves.

    Bit of tough love and make them realise that in life you have to work hard for things and act civil to other people.


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  • #5562
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    The more you pander to these people the more lazy they become and want more and more.

    Like a child behaves.

    Bit of tough love and make them realise that in life you have to work hard for things and act civil to other people.

    This country will have a revolution some day but not the kind the likes of Paul Murphy expects, the Paul Murphy gang are the Tyrany


  • #5563
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    rob316 wrote: »
    They are low life wasters because they have been dumped or grew up in an address that has a bad name. Employers won't look at ya, colleges don't even come to your school about 3rd level education, **** facilities.

    It's demeaning and you end up turning to crime, wasting your life on the dole.
    Have a few kids by your early 20s, free house, live off the state. Rinse and repeat.

    The cycle has to be broken. I firmly believe you are a product of your environment.

    Bullshyte.

    I have worked with and lived with some people from some of the worse areas that Dannyriver referenced in their post about Limerick.

    The thing is they had gotten off their ar**es and made a go of things and their families in turn would be making a better life for themselves.

    I knew one girl from Southill who told us one evening how most of her old school friends were already pushing prams at 20 just so they could get better social welfare.

    She had gotten herself a job in Dell and was living outside of the septic toxic environment.

    People pushing the above hogwash is the same as the ones making excuses for our so called ethnic group.
    Offering excuses for failure is not helping them.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #5564
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,454 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    Two people arrested after drugs worth €690,000 seized in Co Meath

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0309/1035338-drugs-meath/

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #5565
    Dannyriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Dannyriver


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Your first mistake is taking anything you read from a sociology book seriously, it's Marxist BS.

    My mother in law teaches in one of the primary schools which caters to one of the worst parts of limerick city

    They are not short of anything in terms of facilities but kids still come e to school without breakfast and dirty, the parents are wasted much of the time, are so useless, the kids can't hold a pencil aged five, welfare is generous in Ireland, education is free, the kids in these places grow up much richer than the majority of children in the 1950, s

    Left wing idiots have been hammering these people with a message they have no agency or power to improve their lot (and be the best they can be) and it's toxic

    All Trumpists/Brexiters are fascists, all left leaners are marxists , I see where you re coming from. What s the weather like in simple land by the way?


  • #5566
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Dannyriver wrote: »
    All Trumpists/Brexiters are fascists, all left leaners are marxists , I see where you re coming from. What s the weather like in simple land by the way?

    Sociology coriculums are Marxist prayer books

    Studies are meaningless as they are ideologically driven, findings can be known before the research even begins


  • #5567
    El_Bee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Dannyriver wrote: »
    All Trumpists/Brexiters are fascists, all left leaners are marxists , I see where you re coming from. What s the weather like in simple land by the way?


    I guess I'll bite, what sociology research were you referring to earlier, and what books on the subject have you read?


  • #5568
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,211 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/teen-brandishing-knife-among-gang-15850441.amp

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/north-dublin-residents-vigilante-15495318.amp

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/pregnant-woman-threatened-gang-up-13545298.amp

    https://twitter.com/AltviewIreland/status/1099754495909744641?s=19

    What's the odds that those fine upstanding citizens are the result of the loophole that existed before 2004 where they got automatic citizenship before we voted to close it.

    And to think Labour which opposed it at the time now want to revisit the issue.

    And yet people on this thread bury their heads in the sand and claim there is no problem.


  • #5569
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/teen-14-robbed-knocked-unconscious-15948242?fbclid=IwAR23wdw182r0kJxxrEt91I2aTES0jJ20U2-S8gHM63KrGp2S1u3z58saPvE


    Our cultured friends again?


  • #5570
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/teen-14-robbed-knocked-unconscious-15948242?fbclid=IwAR23wdw182r0kJxxrEt91I2aTES0jJ20U2-S8gHM63KrGp2S1u3z58saPvE


    Our cultured friends again?

    Whoever they are, they ****ed up jumping on that youngfella. That family are well connected.


  • #5571
    El_Bee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    Whoever they are, they ****ed up jumping on that youngfella. That family are well connected.


    How do you know?


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  • #5572
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    El_Bee wrote: »
    How do you know?

    His uncles and cousins are from my area.


  • #5573
    shutup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭shutup


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    Whoever they are, they ****ed up jumping on that youngfella. That family are well connected.

    Sounds like bull**** but prove me wrong lads. Hopefully I’m back on here apologizing for doubting you.
    Keep us updated!


  • #5574
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,963 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/teen-14-robbed-knocked-unconscious-15948242?fbclid=IwAR23wdw182r0kJxxrEt91I2aTES0jJ20U2-S8gHM63KrGp2S1u3z58saPvE


    Our cultured friends again?

    Scum! Someone needs to take a baseball bat to these lawless animals!


  • #5575
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    shutup wrote: »
    Sounds like bull**** but prove me wrong lads. Hopefully I’m back on here apologizing for doubting you.
    Keep us updated!

    His family are heavy that's no shìt anyway, two pics are on Facebook of two of the gang that jumped him one black one white, named aswell.


  • #5576
    shutup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 501 ✭✭✭shutup


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    His family are heavy that's no shìt anyway, two pics are on Facebook of two of the gang that jumped him one black one white, named aswell.

    Class. I hope they get smashed. Only way to teach this type a lesson.


  • #5577
    El_Bee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    His family are heavy that's no shìt anyway, two pics are on Facebook of two of the gang that jumped him one black one white, named aswell.


    Regardless of how heavy a family is, from the sounds of this gang and how big it is it'd be very difficult entering their enclave to dish out "justice".


  • #5578
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dannyriver wrote: »
    Well said, i'm from limerick and the same problems occur here, the more notorious housing estates were built on the outskirts of the city in the 80's and they were all thrown in there en masse with **** all facilities and the added stigma that the address alone instigated discrimination when it came to employment a generation on and we have issues with social disorder. It has nothing to do with race/religion/colour it has to do with inequality . Sociological research backs this up for decades, anyone who says differently needs to read a book that deals with underlying causes and not the symptoms.

    In England Hindus and Sikhs have done very well for themselves. What specific discrimination would Muslims have faced to lead to where they're at now?


  • #5579
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    El_Bee wrote: »
    Regardless of how heavy a family is, from the sounds of this gang and how big it is it'd be very difficult entering their enclave to dish out "justice".

    I think you are giving these filth a bit too much credit, half dozen grown men with the necessary equipment and you wouldn't see these tramps for dust.

    Whatever about all that anyway, hope the young lad makes a full recovery it was a terrible beating he got.


  • #5580
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    El_Bee wrote:
    How do you explain Mr Flashy?

    Jailed or dead within a couple of years. Plus his arsehole mate who drives the Beemer,swaggering around Tesco like a big shot all 5' nothing of him


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  • #5581
    not yet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    I think you are giving these filth a bit too much credit, half dozen grown men with the necessary equipment and you wouldn't see these tramps for dust.

    Whatever about all that anyway, hope the young lad makes a full recovery it was a terrible beating he got.

    I honestly believe the cops either have their hands tied, or are simply not able to cope with this sh1t. Whats needed now is a group of men in each area who will tap their kneecaps for them. These little wannabe gangsters need to be put back in their box, and fast..


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