Claire Byrne show. Her name was Clodagh

iamwhoiam · 03-03-2019 9:41am

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2019/0303/1033925-claire-byrne-clodagh-hawe/

Article on coercive control here

tretorn · 03-03-2019 9:58am

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Sorry Spanish Eyes, but I'm still failing to see the correlation between the GAA and familicide.

I'm not preaching the merits of any organisation. Are we not discussing an individual's actions?

Someone in the community stepped forward and put a GAA jersey on top of Hawes coffin as it was brought into the church alongside the people he savagely murdered.

If this isnt a correlation I dont know what is.

gozunda · 03-03-2019 10:05am

freshpopcorn wrote: »

From what I know.
The problem is we don't really know what happened in the school.
We don't know if it was reported?
I find it strange that any SNA/Teacher would sit on this for any amount of time because they know there career would be over if they did.
I also wonder was he suspended. If he was another member of staff would have being acting as vice principal during the Summer probably and this would have being public knowledge in the area. The school would also have being looking for temporary cover in the weeks before hand to cover his classes.

It is reported that Clodagh had disclosed to her mother his watching this type of material. The fact that he waited to the very last day before school to murder his family and and to commit suicide imply that the issue was about to come out - and perhaps indicates that it about to be was D day for him and his behaviour and likley repercussions. From his lack of control whilst at work and the extracts of the letter he wrote - some of that content points to something much more serious than top shelf variety porn imo. That he reveals that "there was some sort of psychosis that made me enjoy that” regarding the murder of his family, to me is indicative of illegal / extreme porn and his acceptance of it. I also believe his actions were very much deliberate and premeditated to this point.

Zorya · 03-03-2019 10:22am

Sorry, haven't read whole thread, don't know if this is mentioned, him driving around after murders - maybe even going to school.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/hawe-was-seen-driving-car-after-clodagh-and-the-boys-jacqueline-connollys-powerful-account-of-tragedy-37872187.html

In a powerful and moving account, published exclusively in today’s Sunday Independent, Clodagh’s sister Jacqueline Connolly reveals for the first time that a local man told her that he and another person saw Hawe driving near Castlerahan school in Cavan in the early hours of August 29, 2016.....Ms Connolly poses the question: “So, after Alan Hawe murdered his wife and three sons, did he leave the house to go to his place of work, Castlerahan School, where he was Vice Principal, perhaps to destroy evidence?”

Bobeagleburger · 03-03-2019 10:28am

Zorya wrote: »

Sorry, haven't read whole thread, don't know if this is mentioned, him driving around after murders - maybe even going to school.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/hawe-was-seen-driving-car-after-clodagh-and-the-boys-jacqueline-connollys-powerful-account-of-tragedy-37872187.html

First time I've heard this.

Sounds like there's a lot of stuff to come out in this story yet

donkeykong5 · 03-03-2019 10:34am

Control freak. Why didn't he just kill his evil self. Hope he rots in hell. Bastard.

Bobeagleburger · 03-03-2019 10:36am

Surely not another cover up :eek:

JMNolan · 03-03-2019 10:43am

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Surely not another cover up :eek:

Well, don't suggest transparency! Some people here don't like transparency, they would prefer things are kept hidden.

Bobeagleburger · 03-03-2019 10:53am

JMNolan wrote: »

Well, don't suggest transparency! Some people here don't like transparency, they would prefer things are kept hidden.

Hopefully everything comes out and the family get all the answers.

Mrsmum · 03-03-2019 11:02am

I'm thinking when AH wrote his five page letter, why the hell didn't he spill it all out besides his cryptic carry-on. I mean, whatever he did beforehand, how could it possible be worse that brutally murdering his wife and three young boys. The school I personally have sympathy for probably because as yet we actually don't know what happened and what they did or didn't do and so I'm reserving judgement there. There may have begun a process in a perfectly correct way for all we know. However they definitely should be telling the Coll family as much as they (perhaps legally) can. But to me, after Clodagh and the boys, her mother and sister and his own family, everyone at the school, staff and pupils, must have suffered enormously too. They knew the boys as friends and pupils, probably knew Clodagh well too and naturally they laughed and chatted with AH every day completely innocent of what was to happen and they must be reeling with shock and sadness then and still. Yet they have to get on with it, teach, care for and protect the kids in what must be a grief filled atmosphere where his presence must be so easily still pictured. I don't think it's at all fair for people to be almost making the school half responsible for his act as in if they had done this etc. No one could possibly have guessed what he was capable of.

nice_guy80 · 03-03-2019 11:11am

school mightn't have cctv
and if it did, the recordings from that have probably been deleted or recorded over
the school alarm might have a record of all the times it was turned on or off, but going back that far?

and he could have been involved in soccer, rugby, chess or music it wouldn't have mattered

Beechwoodspark · 03-03-2019 12:16pm

So following murdering his entire family in a brutal fashion, along with writing letters, transferring money around bank accounts it appears he was seen driving near the school in the early hours of the morning.

tretorn · 03-03-2019 12:28pm

This certainly doesnt sound like someone in the middle of a catastrophic breakdown.
The school would have had CCTV for insurance purposes and presumably he had a fob to enter which would be linked to him. It would be very easy to establish if he went into the school.
If the Gardai said something along the lines of interfering with witnesses then why werent the family told by the Gardai that someone reported that Hawe was seen in the car.
The sooner the Garda files are handed over the better.

nice_guy80 · 03-03-2019 12:31pm

tretorn wrote: »

This certainly doesnt sound like someone in the middle of a catastrophic breakdown.
The school would have had CCTV for insurance purposes and presumably he had a fob to enter which would be linked to him. It would be very easy to establish if he went into the school.
If the Gardai said something along the lines of interfering with witnesses then why werent the family told by the Gardai that someone reported that Hawe was seen in the car.
The sooner the Garda files are handed over the better.

not every school has cctv
especially in a rural area

aloneforever99 · 03-03-2019 12:33pm

If the Gardai aren't going to give the family closure, there's definitely scope for a good investigative journalist to start pulling these threads together and separating fact from fiction.

tretorn · 03-03-2019 12:42pm

Even if the school doesnt have CCTV it would surely have an alarm and to access the school to turn off the alarm you would need a code. Most of these systems link the person who uses the code to a monitor so its possible to identify the person who turned the alarm off and the time the alarm was turned off.
I very much doubt that the school wasnt alarmed in some wsy.

KM792 · 03-03-2019 12:55pm

I don't know I watched the show last Monday night and I think those ladies are wracked by their own guilt more than anything.She was their daughter/sister and she was with Hawe all of her adult life;I think they know what she suffered with him more than they let on.I felt like they were holding back on things.
Of course they are not to blame,no one is to blame.You could tear a case like this apart and blame the school,the state,the gardai but ultimately who knows what the catalyst was for this mans actions?We'l never know what lives inside a persons mind.Never.
On a side note,the gardai that responded to the call out that morning and had to enter that house...nothing will erase those images,it must be horrific.

tretorn · 03-03-2019 1:08pm

KM792 wrote: »

I don't know I watched the show last Monday night and I think those ladies are wracked by their own guilt more than anything.She was their daughter/sister and she was with Hawe all of her adult life;I think they know what she suffered with him more than they let on.I felt like they were holding back on things.
Of course they are not to blame,no one is to blame.You could tear a case like this apart and blame the school,the state,the gardai but ultimately who knows what the catalyst was for this mans actions?We'l never know what lives inside a persons mind.Never.
On a side note,the gardai that responded to the call out that morning and had to enter that house...nothing will erase those images,it must be horrific.

Its very difficult to intervene though if your daughter or sister doesnt open up.
The Colls say they almost never got to meet Clodagh on her own and it went right back to the beginning with buying the bridemaids dresses.

The point is if the Colls had known what had happened in the school they might have persuaded Clodagh to leave. Was Hawe suspended and did he carry on as normal over the summer with the decision made that his family were going to die. This should have come out st the inquest.

I thought inquests were about dealing with all relevant facts but yet if Hawe was driving near the school this diesnt apoear to have been disclosed. Did the professional who said at the inquest that Hawe had a breakdown know that someone saw him driving near the school in the early hours, surely this was very relevant.

retro:electro · 03-03-2019 1:09pm

KM792 wrote: »

I don't know I watched the show last Monday night and I think those ladies are wracked by their own guilt more than anything.She was their daughter/sister and she was with Hawe all of her adult life;I think they know what she suffered with him more than they let on.I felt like they were holding back on things.

Sometimes behaviours like his only become clear through retrospective analysing. They listed a few things on Monday night that made them uncomfortable but nonetheless never gave them any cause for alarm. Clodagh seemed happy, her boys seemed happy, they all seemed like a perfectly happy family unit. I’d wager it wasn’t until after the deaths they all sat down and tried to make sense of it all, memories, conversations and behaviours all cams flooding back. I’m sure they feel immense guilt which is natural, of course you would. Why didn’t I do this? I should have said that.. etc. But ultimately they could not have known what was about to happen. They have no reason to hold back on things, they aren’t exactly looking to protect the kind of man he was.

strandroad · 03-03-2019 1:14pm

tretorn wrote: »

I thought inquests were about dealing with all relevant facts but yet if Hawe was driving near the school this diesnt apoear to have been disclosed. Did the professional who said at the inquest that Hawe had a breakdown know that someone saw him driving near the school in the early hours, surely this was very relevant.

It looks like the sighting was unconfirmed, the sister says that the neighbour might have been mistaken herself. Her complaint is that they were not kept up to date by the gardai not that it was ignored.

iamwhoiam · 03-03-2019 1:19pm

So someone told Jaqueline that he saw Hawe driving in the early hours near the school . The Colls ask the Gardaí if they were persuing that line of enquiry and told " they were interfering with a witness "How on earth is that interfering with a witness ?

I know its not legal but isn't it a shame that a murderer who commits suicide cannot be tried before a court and some sort of closure given to the family
Then the inquest doesn't seem to have done that

tretorn · 03-03-2019 1:20pm

Clodagh worked fulltime too so wouldnt have had a lot of time to meet her family on her own. She was probably brought to GAA matches at the weekend en famille, it was said by locals that the family were always together and Hawe would have been present at everything to do with GAA and probably made the whole family accompany him.
Even on the day the family died they were at a GAA match together and then they all went to clodaghs mother, this was probably the routine most weekends so her family just accepted it.

iamwhoiam · 03-03-2019 1:25pm

tretorn wrote: »

Clodagh worked fulltime too so wouldnt have had a lot of time to meet her family on her own. She was probably brought to GAA matches at the weekend en famille, it was said by locals that the family were always together and Hawe would have been present at everything to do with GAA and probably made the whole family accompany him.
Even on the day the family died they were at a GAA match together and then they all went to clodaghs mother, this was probably the routine most weekends so her family just accepted it.

Both her mother and Jaqueline said if Clodagh called in for a cuppa he was always with her . When they called for a chat in her kitchen he came and sat with them . Its controlling behaviour and in my opinion not normal for a couple
Clodagh was off all summer and I am sure would find time to enjoy a chat with her sister

KM792 · 03-03-2019 1:56pm

What became of the family home?Did his family inherit it?I'd imagine it would be incredibly difficult to sell.

tretorn · 03-03-2019 1:59pm

Hawe was off all summer too, Clodagh may not have had five minutes to be on her own all summer.

Dial Hard · 03-03-2019 1:59pm

iamwhoiam wrote:

isn't it a shame that a murderer who commits suicide cannot be tried before a court and some sort of closure given to the family Then the inquest doesn't seem to have done that

And how exactly do you suggest trying a dead person???

iamwhoiam · 03-03-2019 2:02pm

Dial Hard wrote: »

And how exactly do you suggest trying a dead person???

I am not suggesting anything , I was simply saying it a shame there is not a trial or a court case to pronounce them guilty . No need to be snipey I was just rambling with thoughts not trying to change the law

iamwhoiam · 03-03-2019 2:02pm

tretorn wrote: »

Hawe was off all summer too, Clodagh may not have had five minutes to be on her own all summer.

Every one finds five minutes to be alone if they are allowed that right

nice_guy80 · 03-03-2019 2:22pm

tretorn wrote: »

Even if the school doesnt have CCTV it would surely have an alarm and to access the school to turn off the alarm you would need a code. Most of these systems link the person who uses the code to a monitor so its possible to identify the person who turned the alarm off and the time the alarm was turned off.
I very much doubt that the school wasnt alarmed in some wsy.

Yeah.
One code for the whole alarm usually.
All the staff would have same code

Calltocall · 03-03-2019 3:08pm

Just read this https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/clodagh-hawe-murder-4521704-Mar2019/%3famp=1 so Hawe went off in his car after the murders apparently close to vicinity of the school, this country can be so ****ing backwards at times, why hide this from the family, why protect this scum sucker, bring it all out into the light, I hope the family keep pushing here, these tiny communities can hide some really dark ****, god fearing on the surface but the reality is very different underneath , lot more to come out on this, the sister is an incredibly brave woman, keep searching for the truth you are a credit to your sister and her children.

Claire Byrne show. Her name was Clodagh

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