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When did Gemma O Doherty go batshyt crazy?

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  • #872
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,068 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    One preson`s progress is anothers person`s regress. Conservative values served society well. Liberalism will bring destruction.


    Well they served you well if you were white and straight and christian. Not so much for the rest.


  • #873
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Auntie Semite wrote: »
    Why?
    What do you know about it.. Are you sure it is safe?
    I know very little about it but I don't think there's anything wrong about worrying or having concerns about new technology and any potential negative effects.

    Theres a difference between worrying about 5G and claiming its a globalists method of mind control. She is off her fúcking trolley.

    Or

    Shes trying to appeal to the most vulnerable in society (thick people) who might actually buy her bullshít and follow and vote for her. Thankfully current numbers are absolutely pathetic.

    Theres nothing to worry about anyway. 5G has been in your home for years on your wireless router. We have 4, 3 and 2G since the early 90s. Microwaves since the 1960s etc.

    Its fine.


  • #874
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,663 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    realitykeeper wrote:
    One preson`s progress is anothers person`s regress. Conservative values served society well. Liberalism will bring destruction.


    Both conservatism and liberalism have been problematic, but it's not entirely true that conservatism has been faultless


  • #875
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And a nonsense position based on nothing at all that is too. There is no evidence whatsoever that sex is for procreation only. There is plenty of evidence it is for more than that.

    Even in terms of evolution it makes no sense. There are animals where sex is only for procreation so they have a near 1:1 ratio between copulation and conception. When they have sex - babies happen basically.

    Not so for us. Precisely because sex is _not_ just for procreation we evolved away from a 1:1 ratio there and much if not most sex does not result in conception at all.



    That can be a misleading statement. What exactly does "tiny minority" mean? For example look how prevelant homosexuality is in our culture. There are homosexuals every where - it is talked about a lot - represented in the media a lot. How many people are _actually_ homosexual however? The % is very low.

    1% of a population seems a small number. When you have 5 million people or 50 million people however then the words "tiny minority" start to lose coherency. It is still a lot of people.



    There is that vague but intentionally ominous word "encouraged" again that I pulled up in my last post but you simply ignored me. What do you _actually_ mean by this? What kind of "encouragement" are you under the impression is being implemented _exactly_?

    Also do you believe it to be a mental illness on any actual basis - or just because you like the phrase? How are you defining mental illness exactly? What attributes of transgenderism are you using to make the definition given fit?



    The same can be said about many things from Abortion to Cosmetic Surgery. There are always people who regret the choices they make and suffer even to the point of suicide from their regrets. Hell people even make career choices they regret enough to eventually commit suicide over it.

    That does not indict - even a tiny bit - the things they themselves regret. We should of course have supports for such people in our society where possible. To help people cope with decisions they have made which they regret. But to take their regret and pretend it is in any way a relevant argument against the thing they regret is pure desperation on your part.

    I merely stated that this is what the church believes sex is for... Not that I believed in it myself... I agree it is nonsense.

    By encouraged I mean telling kids to explore gender identities.. As in presenting an option of switching gender rather than being happy with who you are
    Some are proposing this here
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/education/exploring-gender-identity-in-primary-schools-37429108.html


  • #876
    PhoneMain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭PhoneMain


    baby and crumble wrote: »
    Thank you so much for proving my entire point.

    Why is she (and legally she is now a SHE) high risk? Just because she’s trans? Oh, and if you’re a health and social care professional and this is how you treat your clients you are, frankly, a disgrace.


    I call bullsh1t on this.
    1) I'm a doctor and I've never heard any doctor or health care professional refer to a PATIENT as a client
    2) As doctor's, we treat all blood as the same....i.e. we take the same precautions and there's no different treatment algorithm if you get a needle stick from a gay man, a person from africa, a 5 year old Irish boy or a 90 year old woman. All blood is high risk and treated equally.


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  • #877
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,056 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    When I heard the word "client" the first thing that came into my mind was sex worker - not that there's anything wrong with sex work imho.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #878
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,056 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    Conservative values served society well.

    You don't have to look very hard at the history of the last 150 years or so on our own island to see how deeply damaging 'conservative values' were to society and the lives of millions of people oppressed, damaged, incarcerated, enslaved, sold, raped, or even killed because of them.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • #879
    aloneforever99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭aloneforever99


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Well they served you well if you were white and straight and christian. Not so much for the rest.

    Not to mention male.


  • #880
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    You don't have to look very hard at the history of the last 150 years or so on our own island to see how deeply damaging 'conservative values' were to society and the lives of millions of people oppressed, damaged, incarcerated, enslaved, sold, raped, or even killed because of them.

    Conservative values haven't really 'conserved' anything have they.
    As for killing millions of people, tens of millions (some estimate up to one hundred million) were butchered, starved to death, liquidated in the name of leftist values in the 20th century alone.


  • #881
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    super_furry wrote: »
    Haha, you see it's funny because the person who's defending Gemma is self identifying as an anti-semite. Classic.

    Now do your routine about George Soros, Zionism and how the Holocaust was a hoax.

    Who said I identified as an Anti Semite?
    It's a joke name.
    There are many things I admire about Israel for example and I fully support the right to a Jewish homeland.. I wish to go there some day.. Fascinating country... Can you say the same?


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  • #882
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Auntie Semite wrote: »
    Who said I identified as an Anti Semite?
    It's a joke name.
    There are many things I admire about Israel for example and I fully support the right to a Jewish homeland.. I wish to go there some day.. Fascinating country... Can you say the same?

    They won't let you in when they see the name on the passport


  • #883
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,068 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    aloneforever99 wrote: »
    Not to mention male.

    I cant believe i missed that out.


  • #884
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Well they served you well if you were white and straight and christian. Not so much for the rest.

    This is an extremely Western centric view and displays a mindset of Western superiority/chauvinism.
    Do you realise there were several massive Islamic empires which dominated the regions from Asia to Eastern Europe for many hundreds of years?
    China had successive empires over millenia.
    The history of the world is not all about the West.


  • #885
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,068 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Auntie Semite wrote: »
    This is an extremely Western centric view and displays a mindset of Western superiority/chauvinism.
    Do you realise there were several massive Islamic empires which dominated the regions from Asia to Eastern Europe for many hundreds of years?
    China had successive empires over millenia.
    The history of the world is not all about the West.

    well i'm open to correction on this but i'm pretty sure you were not endorsing islamic empires with your post. My post was western centric because that is where we all (i presume) live. that is our frame of reference.

    I notice you didn't actually dispute what i said.


  • #886
    randd1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,521 ✭✭✭randd1


    Auntie Semite wrote: »
    Conservative values haven't really 'conserved' anything have they.
    As for killing millions of people, tens of millions (some estimate up to one hundred million) were butchered, starved to death, liquidated in the name of leftist values in the 20th century alone.

    With the exception of the idea's of free enterprise and private ownership, most of those values were oppressively conservative.

    They sought to preserve national identity and used religion, be it state or deity based, and the concept of national pride to do so, things conservatives are noted for.
    They were conservative in the administration of wealth, education and health programs, which helped enormously contribute to the poverty, control and death of these regimes.
    They were conservative in the way they were slow to change to the world moving on around them.
    They were extremely conservative in their attitude to women, homosexuals and minorities, many of whom suffered.

    The idea that the leftist values, or right wing values, are inherently wrong is stupid as democracy only seems to work when both are in play and counteract the excesses of the other. For a functioning democracy you need both.

    Go too far left or too far right, it ceases to be either left or right and the results in exactly the same thing; a psychotic, murderous, oppressive ideology in which the State (and by State, usually a dictator) sees the masses as scum to be controlled, useful for working, fighting and dying and not much else. The only thing that would denote a left or right would be the command structure under the dictator.


  • #887
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    randd1 wrote: »
    With the exception of the idea's of free enterprise and private ownership, most of those values were oppressively conservative.

    They sought to preserve national identity and used religion, be it state or deity based, and the concept of national pride to do so, things conservatives are noted for.
    They were conservative in the administration of wealth, education and health programs, which helped enormously contribute to the poverty, control and death of these regimes.
    They were conservative in the way they were slow to change to the world moving on around them.
    They were extremely conservative in their attitude to women, homosexuals and minorities, many of whom suffered.

    The idea that the leftist values, or right wing values, are inherently wrong is stupid as democracy only seems to work when both are in play and counteract the excesses of the other. For a functioning democracy you need both.

    Go too far left or too far right, it ceases to be either left or right and the results in exactly the same thing; a psychotic, murderous, oppressive ideology in which the State (and by State, usually a dictator) sees the masses as scum to be controlled, useful for working, fighting and dying and not much else. The only thing that would denote a left or right would be the command structure under the dictator.

    Yes I agree with what you are saying, but the soviet System definitely regarded itself as leftist (even if many would disagree) I wouldn't regard it as completely Conservative as traditional Russian society (Conservative) was wiped out in the name of the new state religion.
    I think Left - Right mode of thinking is redundant in today's world.


  • #888
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    well i'm open to correction on this but i'm pretty sure you were not endorsing islamic empires with your post. My post was western centric because that is where we all (i presume) live. that is our frame of reference.

    I notice you didn't actually dispute what i said.
    Who could dispute the crimes of Western empires? They are clear for all to see. However the same ultimately brought innovation and prosperity for many.
    Also you could hardly say that a 17th century white male Russian peasant was 'privileged' nor a British coal miner, nor an Irish peasant.
    For most of the history of Western hegemony the number of privileged 'white males' was miniscule.. Most spent their entire lives in back braking work for a pittance and lived in penury without any political voice or power.
    Your post also shows how the left have completely abandoned class politics for racially based identity politics where the 'White man' has become the symbol of oppression.
    Ironically many of those pushing this narrative are the hyper capitalists (former enemies of the left) Soros, Google, Media conglomerates etc


  • #889
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,068 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Auntie Semite wrote: »
    Who could dispute the crimes of Western empires? They are clear for all to see. However the same ultimately brought innovation and prosperity for many.
    Also you could hardly say that a 17th century white male Russian peasant was 'privileged' nor a British coal miner, nor an Irish peasant.
    For most of the history of Western hegemony the number of privileged 'white males' was miniscule.. Most spent their entire lives in back braking work for a pittance and lived in penury without any political voice or power.
    Your post also shows how the left have completely abandoned class politics for racially based identity politics where the 'White man' has become the symbol of oppression.
    Ironically many of those pushing this narrative are the hyper capitalists (former enemies of the left) Soros, Google, Media conglomerates etc

    Privilege is relative. White, christian, heterosexual males were more privileged than those who did not have those attributes. White man is the symbol of oppression because they were the ones doing the oppressing. Or do you deny that?


  • #890
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Privilege is relative. White, christian, heterosexual males were more privileged than those who did not have those attributes. White man is the symbol of oppression because they were the ones doing the oppressing. Or do you deny that?

    Yes I deny that absolutely. My and possibly your ancestors for many hundreds of years were barely eking out a living and suffering under extreme oppression themselves. The Han Chinese were oppressing the non Han for a very long time. The bantuswere oppressing those they conquered. The khmer in Cambodia the list goes on and on.
    The idea that white people have some kind of monopoly over oppression is a complete fiction, a denial of history and as I said already a highly Western centric view of the world.


  • #891
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    baby and crumble wrote: »
    If you do not have explicit confirmation from her that she engages in the risky activity that that report discusses then to assume she does so just because she’s a member of an at risk community doesn’t mean she engages in those behaviors.

    I’m a member of an at risk community, being gay, but that’s doesnt mean I engage in those activities.

    I have verbal confirmation from her that she does for recreation, on a litmus test it would be on the highly risky end. Do you deal with needles and other bodily fluids or are just one of those soft are social workers/therapists? She has some complex problems that other professionals dont reach, apparently I do and hence she returns. Do you judge an Astronaut for wearing a spacesuit? I have a fiance, friends and clients to protect in that order.
    With therapy it all comes out in the wash.

    Yes I had a case of needlestick once when I was training, it was a very very low risk client and it turned out to be nothing but I still got tested and protected my clients.


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  • #892
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Privilege is relative. White, christian, heterosexual males were more privileged than those who did not have those attributes. White man is the symbol of oppression because they were the ones doing the oppressing. Or do you deny that?

    Please tell me about my white Christian heterosexual privilege. I really want to know about it because I have stayed away from drugs, got an education and live with my neighbours in peace.


  • #893
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,068 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Auntie Semite wrote: »
    Yes I deny that absolutely. My and possibly your ancestors for many hundreds of years were barely eking out a living and suffering under extreme oppression themselves. The Han Chinese were oppressing the non Han for a very long time. The bantuswere oppressing those they conquered. The khmer in Cambodia the list goes on and on.
    The idea that white people have some kind of monopoly over oppression is a complete fiction, a denial of history and as I said already a highly Western centric view of the world.

    I have already said it is a western centric point of view. Forget the white bit then. Just men in general.


  • #894
    aloneforever99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭aloneforever99


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Please tell me about my white Christian heterosexual privilege. I really want to know about it because I have stayed away from drugs, got an education and live with my neighbours in peace.

    Have you ever wondered if you had been denied a job or a promotion because managers were scared you were going to get pregnant?

    Ever been denied access to an abortion?

    Have you ever been made fun of, bullied, harassed or beaten up because you were holding hands with your partner? Or because of the colour of your skin?

    Have you or your kids ever been forced to go to a school run by a religious order whose ethos you don't agree with because there's no other school for miles around?

    If the answer to those questions is no, that's your privilege.


  • #895
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,068 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Please tell me about my white Christian heterosexual privilege. I really want to know about it because I have stayed away from drugs, got an education and live with my neighbours in peace.

    Part of your privilege from an irish perspective is that you were able to have sex without it being a criminal activity. You have never been subject to discrimination because you were christian. You were never banned from voting because you were a man. Can i stop explaining this to you or are you going to play dumb?


  • #896
    aloneforever99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭aloneforever99


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    Please tell me about my white Christian heterosexual privilege. I really want to know about it because I have stayed away from drugs, got an education and live with my neighbours in peace.

    Here's another example. Years ago I had a friend called Shama who was looking for a job. She sent out loads of CVs but got no interviews.

    One day, she changed her name on her CV to Sam, which made her sound

    a) as though she might be male and
    b) less foreign

    Once she did that, she got loads of interviews, and got a job in no time because when they met her they saw no reason not to hire her. She had great experience and was a very likable person.

    If you've never had to do something like that just to be considered for a job, that's a privilege. It's a worry you don't have to carry around with you.


  • #897
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I have already said it is a western centric point of view. Forget the white bit then. Just men in general.

    The vast majority of men throughout Western history were virtual slaves. No political power, no property ownership, serfdom, lifetime obligation to their chief, Lord etc Compelled against their will to fight and die in wars.
    Have you ever heard of Droit du seigneur?
    Whereby a lord had the 'right' to have sex with a man's wife on her wedding night. This was at onetime fairly widespread. One could hardly call a man(or woman obviously) under this system 'privileged'
    Again the idea that men in general held some form of privilege is a complete fiction.
    A tiny elite of men (and Women) held this privilege and the rest were equal in their serfdom


  • #898
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,068 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Auntie Semite wrote: »
    The vast majority of men throughout Western history were virtual slaves. No political power, no property ownership, serfdom, lifetime obligation to their chief, Lord etc Compelled against their will to fight and die in wars.
    Have you ever heard of Droit du seigneur?
    Whereby a lord had the 'right' to have sex with a man's wife on her wedding night. This was at onetime fairly widespread. One could hardly call a man(or woman obviously) under this system 'privileged'
    Again the idea that men in general held some form of privilege is a complete fiction.
    A tiny elite of men (and Women) held this privilege and the rest were equal in their serfdom

    you seem to intent on ignoring the posts you respond to so i'll leave it there.


  • #899
    Auntie Semite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Auntie Semite


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Part of your privilege from an irish perspective is that you were able to have sex without it being a criminal activity. You have never been subject to discrimination because you were christian. You were never banned from voting because you were a man. Can i stop explaining this to you or are you going to play dumb?

    In Ireland and the UK only property owning men (a minority) had the right to vote.
    What is conveniently forgotten in the celebrations of the granting of women's right to vote in 1918 was that until then only a property owning man could vote.


  • #900
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    aloneforever99 wrote: »
    Have you ever wondered if you had been denied a job or a promotion because managers were scared you were going to get pregnant?

    Ever been denied access to an abortion?

    Have you ever been made fun of, bullied, harassed or beaten up because you were holding hands with your partner? Or because of the colour of your skin?

    Have you or your kids ever been forced to go to a school run by a religious order whose ethos you don't agree with because there's no other school for miles around?

    If the answer to those questions is no, that's your privilege.

    That is not discrimination, that is commonsense. If you are going to start a project and have a highly technical person drop out for a year, claim benefit and then have to find a similar highly technical person to fill in for them would you still employ the same person for the project from a business perspective?

    Strawman argument: I cant get pregnant so I cant have an abortion.

    No but I have had friends who were beaten attacked and stabbed by Africans, it didnt end well for the attackers though.

    I have never gone to a religious school period. I would have rather that listed that as my white privilege instead I went to a waster school (vocational) because my parents couldnt afford the bus fare to the regional town.

    Where is my white privilege?


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  • #901
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,068 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Auntie Semite wrote: »
    In Ireland and the UK only property owning men (a minority) had the right to vote.

    I have bolded the appropriate part of your post.


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