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troyzer · 22-02-2019 03:56PM

Buer wrote: »

A €3bn project that will serve hundreds of thousands for generations will be thrown in the bin because one road and its inhabitants will be discommoded for a portion of the project?

It's f*cking bonkers.

It's not just one street through. It's the only crossing point for KMs for loads of people either side of the Luas. I'm not saying they should be allowed to dictate the entire city but at the same time, it also seems mad to effectively build a wall down huge sections of south Dublin.

Podge_irl wrote: »

It will be open to pedestrians in some manner. Anyway, the only real relevant distance is the distance to Charleston Road which is quite a bit less than 1km. The "community" they are so desperate to maintain without the "Berlin Wall" of the metro will do just fine - communities are based on walking and you can still do that. A community is not defined by the ability to drive through somewhere.

Totally agree, this is the proper counter argument. Still, you'd imagine that a bit of tweaking could make everyone happy. It shouldn't be insurmountable.

awec · 22-02-2019 04:11PM

troyzer wrote: »

Lads just getting back to this Metro thing.

They do have a bit of a point regarding Dunville avenue. It seems to be the only crossing point across the current track from Charleston road down to Milltown road. That's a decent 3km.

it's 3km of housing estates, not through roads. There's no need for a crossing.

22-02-2019 04:14PM

troyzer wrote: »

Lads just getting back to this Metro thing.

They do have a bit of a point regarding Dunville avenue. It seems to be the only crossing point across the current track from Charleston road down to Milltown road. That's a decent 3km.

Bit confused by this. There was never any road access along that stretch even before the luas. Unless they want to redo the cowper stop to allow a path through to the back of gonzaga.

Zzippy · 22-02-2019 04:22PM

troyzer wrote: »

They can certainly contaminate the wild population but they can't drive them to extinction via cross breeding. That's not how it works.

Any farmed breed be it fish, cow or crop are genetically inferior to the wild population.

I have no dog in this fight, I can be convinced either way. But it seems to me that Zippy is against fish farming in general as an industry.

troyzer wrote: »

Whatever about the rest of it but this is not how evolution works. ^

Actually, it is. Incremental incursion of foreign genes into a population weakens genetic fitness. I'm not going to bother looking for you, but there are quite a few scientific papers on this. Basically salmon populations where genetic contamination has occurred from farmed fish display reduced survival. It may be only a couple of percent, but with low enough survival as it is, that is enough to deplete populations to extinction level within 20-50 generations. It is a recent occurrence so the eventual extinction events are based on mathematical modelling of populations, they haven't happened yet, but the genetic pollution certainly has. One study found 18% of salmon in the Crana River in Donegal had genetic material from farmed fish. Every escape of farmed fish increases that risk.

I'm not against fish farming in general. I am against farming salmonid fish in cages in the open sea in bays that are close to our wild salmon rivers. I want salmon farming to move to closed circulation systems, where the risk of disease and parasite transfer is eliminated, escapes are not possible, and where salmon farmers have to bear the cost of waste disposal like all other farmers, and not pollute our bays with their pesticide-contaminated faeces.

troyzer · 22-02-2019 05:08PM

Zzippy wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

They can certainly contaminate the wild population but they can't drive them to extinction via cross breeding. That's not how it works.

Any farmed breed be it fish, cow or crop are genetically inferior to the wild population.

I have no dog in this fight, I can be convinced either way. But it seems to me that Zippy is against fish farming in general as an industry.

troyzer wrote: »

Whatever about the rest of it but this is not how evolution works. ^

Actually, it is. Incremental incursion of foreign genes into a population weakens genetic fitness. I'm not going to bother looking for you, but there are quite a few scientific papers on this. Basically salmon populations where genetic contamination has occurred from farmed fish display reduced survival. It may be only a couple of percent, but with low enough survival as it is, that is enough to deplete populations to extinction level within 20-50 generations. It is a recent occurrence so the eventual extinction events are based on mathematical modelling of populations, they haven't happened yet, but the genetic pollution certainly has. One study found 18% of salmon in the Crana River in Donegal had genetic material from farmed fish. Every escape of farmed fish increases that risk.

I'm not against fish farming in general. I am against farming salmonid fish in cages in the open sea in bays that are close to our wild salmon rivers. I want salmon farming to move to closed circulation systems, where the risk of disease and parasite transfer is eliminated, escapes are not possible, and where salmon farmers have to bear the cost of waste disposal like all other farmers, and not pollute our bays with their pesticide-contaminated faeces.

The individuals which don't interbreed will be selected and thus survive. That's how evolution works.

I'm not disputing that sub populations which hybridise won't struggle, but it's unlikely that the entire wild population would hybridise which is what you'd need to wipe out the entire wild population.

How much extra is it have a closed system of farming? What you're saying sounds reasonable but there has to be a catch.

Zzippy · 22-02-2019 05:20PM

troyzer wrote: »

The individuals which don't interbreed will be selected and thus survive. That's how evolution works.

I'm not disputing that sub populations which hybridise won't struggle, but it's unlikely that the entire wild population would hybridise which is what you'd need to wipe out the entire wild population.

How much extra is it have a closed system of farming? What you're saying sounds reasonable but there has to be a catch.

When you have a wild population that is already very low, as it is in many rivers, it only takes a few fish to introduce farmed genes to a large portion of the next generation. When you already have 95% mortality at sea, it's not at all certain that the purely wild individuals in a small population will survive at the expense of those with introduced genes. The farmed fish have been selectively bred for fast growth, so at the freshwater stage they can outcompete wild juveniles for food and territory, so wild fish don't even survive as far as getting to sea.
I'm not a geneticist, I'm a zoologist by training, but I work with fisheries scientists and statistical modellers and talk to these people about these issues, and the intrusion of foreign genes into a small wild population is certainly a very large existential threat.
Closed containment is the technological edge of the industry - it is the next big thing but currently it requires higher capital investment and running costs. And as long as the real costs of marine open cage systems are not factored in - the environmental costs to wild fish and the environment - it struggles. But marine systems have problems that are growing - sea lice resistance to pesticides is increasing, increased sea temps causing jellyfish blooms and amoebic gill disease, etc - such that in 20/30 years the marine systems may not even be sustainable economically. I just hope that tipping point comes before our wild salmon are gone.

mfceiling · 22-02-2019 05:50PM

I have now decided (whether he likes it or not) that Zzippy is my new best friend.

thomond2006 · 22-02-2019 05:50PM

mfceiling wrote: »

I have now decided (whether he likes it or not) that Zzippy is my new best friend.

Ye need a podcast.

Squidgy Black · 22-02-2019 06:14PM

Zzippy, do you like fish sticks?

CatFromHue · 22-02-2019 07:13PM

Buer wrote: »

A €3bn project that will serve hundreds of thousands for generations will be thrown in the bin because one road and its inhabitants will be discommoded for a portion of the project?

It's f*cking bonkers.

when you look at some of the objections to housing projects being built regularly they include increased traffic, trucks usually, on our road during the construction phase.

it really is appalling carry on.

troyzer · 22-02-2019 07:30PM

Well, I got told.

swiwi_ · 22-02-2019 07:49PM

Ah. Trapped is back on TV. Thought Series 1 was one of the greatest shows ever. The watching of Series 2 shall be begun.

pickarooney · 22-02-2019 08:46PM

troyzer wrote: »

As far as I know it's not that much more expensive on a per unit basis to produce RHD but when you're talking about massive factories, 1% gains here and there makes the difference. Anybody who's played that factory simulator game on Steam knows the craic.

There will always be a glut of RHD cars from Europe. Over a third of the planet uses RHD and they're mostly countries which are growing rapidly.

The trend is likely to actually increase towards RHD as Southern Africa and the Indian subcontinent get their **** together.

I'd love it for the opposite reason. Buy a cheap second hand car in Ireland and bring it to France.

swiwi_ · 22-02-2019 09:23PM

Fair play to yiz with the Worlds best gin. Anyone tried it?

Bazzo · 22-02-2019 09:27PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

Fair play to yiz with the Worlds best gin. Anyone tried it?

Dingle? Yeah it's nice enough though to be honest my gin palette can distinguish ****e, ok and good and that's about it. Fairly sure someone told me before that they only started doing gin to bring some money in while they were ageing their whiskey.

Stone Gossard · 22-02-2019 09:29PM

Bazzo wrote: »

Dingle? Yeah it's nice enough though to be honest my gin palette can distinguish ****e, ok and good and that's about it. Fairly sure someone told me before that they only started doing gin to bring some money in while they were aging their whiskey.

That's correct... Irish whiskey needs 5 years to be saleable...gin is good to go in months, so they got that motoring along with the vodka...whisky is going for daft money now though

Bridge93 · 22-02-2019 09:39PM

Bunsen voted 7th best burger in Europe.

errlloyd · 22-02-2019 11:18PM

swiwi_ wrote: »

Fair play to yiz with the Worlds best gin. Anyone tried it?

I was down at the distillery a few months ago. It's good, usually half the price of Gunpowder or Mor too, so I was impressed it won in a blind taste test and not some 20-30 pound category.

b.gud · 22-02-2019 11:29PM

Stone Gossard wrote: »

That's correct... Irish whiskey needs 5 years to be saleable...gin is good to go in months, so they got that motoring along with the vodka...whisky is going for daft money now though

3 years I believe is the minimum for it to be considered Irish whiskey. But yeah you're right all those gin places are brewing it to keep them going until their whiskey comes of age, can't wait.

Stone Gossard · 23-02-2019 12:51AM

b.gud wrote: »

3 years I believe is the minimum for it to be considered Irish whiskey. But yeah you're right all those gin places are brewing it to keep them going until their whiskey comes of age, can't wait.

I did say saleable

5 years is the minimum for any major brand....3yo whiskey here is normally rushed for a market...ala Bushmills and Proper 12

Dave_The_Sheep · 25-02-2019 02:11AM

Bizarre scenes. Chelsea keeper Arrizabalaga refuses to be subbed off, after being/feigning injured/injury twice in a few minutes, for a sub keeper who is a renowned penalty kick saver, just before extra time finishes.

https://streamable.com/3eutt

Goes on to the shootout to let in 4 penalties, including 1 he really should have saved. Sarri has to crucify him, surely, after this. Stick him in the reserves for a few years, until his contract expires, and fine the everliving **** out of him.

(Obviously money will talk and as a 70 million pound investment, they won't let him expire, which is disgraceful)

troyzer · 25-02-2019 08:27AM

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Bizarre scenes. Chelsea keeper Arrizabalaga refuses to be subbed off, after being/feigning injured/injury twice in a few minutes, for a sub keeper who is a renowned penalty kick saver, just before extra time finishes.

https://streamable.com/3eutt

Goes on to the shootout to let in 4 penalties, including 1 he really should have saved. Sarri has to crucify him, surely, after this. Stick him in the reserves for a few years, until his contract expires, and fine the everliving **** out of him.

(Obviously money will talk and as a 70 million pound investment, they won't let him expire, which is disgraceful)

It's pretty funny. Sarri has to go, there's clearly no respect for him left from the players.

In other news, the Irish Times et al are driving me insane calling the Favourite an "Irish production" without any qualification. It had five production companies involved, one of which is an Irish company. We're getting as bad as the Brits calling Saoirse Ronan British.

I'm delighted that First Man won best special effects, it's the most visually stunning movie I've seen in years.

irishbucsfan · 25-02-2019 08:56AM

troyzer wrote: »

It's pretty funny. Sarri has to go, there's clearly no respect for him left from the players.

In other news, the Irish Times et al are driving me insane calling the Favourite an "Irish production" without any qualification. It had five production companies involved, one of which is an Irish company. We're getting as bad as the Brits calling Saoirse Ronan Irish.

I'm delighted that First Man won best special effects, it's the most visually stunning movie I've seen in years.

Two main production companies throughout, one of which was Lanthimos' who was brought on to the project by Ed Guiney. Without Element that film would never have been made. That's why it's considered an Irish production.

troyzer · 25-02-2019 08:59AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Two main production companies throughout, one of which was Lanthimos' who was brought on to the project by Ed Guiney. Without Element that film would never have been made. That's why it's considered an Irish production.

It's not an Irish production. It's an Irish co-production. We'd be pretty pissed off if any number of films we consider to be Irish were called British productions because most of them were co-produced with British production companies.

irishbucsfan · 25-02-2019 09:06AM

troyzer wrote: »

It's not an Irish production. It's an Irish co-production. We'd be pretty pissed off if any number of films we consider to be Irish were called British productions because most of them were co-produced with British production companies.

Meh, it really does not matter whatsoever, but that film wouldn't have existed, let alone been acclaimed, without the Irish producers who rescued that script convinced Lanthimos to direct it.

troyzer · 25-02-2019 09:10AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Meh, it really does not matter whatsoever, but that film wouldn't have existed, let alone been acclaimed, without the Irish producers who rescued that script convinced Lanthimos to direct it.

I'm not disputing that, just pointing out that we're getting as bad as the Brits when it comes to labels.

By the way, calling it a British film/production would equally be as wrong. I'm sure loads of British newspapers are calling it that today.

In any case, Olivia Colman's speech was class. So genuine. Enough of this myopic, rehearsed ****e.

Podge_irl · 25-02-2019 09:55AM

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Bizarre scenes. Chelsea keeper Arrizabalaga refuses to be subbed off, after being/feigning injured/injury twice in a few minutes, for a sub keeper who is a renowned penalty kick saver, just before extra time finishes.

https://streamable.com/3eutt

Goes on to the shootout to let in 4 penalties, including 1 he really should have saved. Sarri has to crucify him, surely, after this. Stick him in the reserves for a few years, until his contract expires, and fine the everliving **** out of him.

(Obviously money will talk and as a 70 million pound investment, they won't let him expire, which is disgraceful)

Says as much about the lack of authority of the ref/officials also. Ref should have just told him to get off the pitch and that be the end of it.

25-02-2019 10:11AM

swiwi_ wrote: »

Fair play to yiz with the Worlds best gin. Anyone tried it?

Was thinking of getting a bottle as a gift for the misses albeit she only ever has it with tonic and I'm not sure if it's worth getting good quality liquor when it's just going into a mixer.

Personally think gin is one of those drinks that is so noxious I actually find myself questioning the people that drink it. Tastes horrific to me.

Zzippy · 25-02-2019 01:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Was thinking of getting a bottle as a gift for the misses albeit she only ever has it with tonic and I'm not sure if it's worth getting good quality liquor when it's just going into a mixer.

Personally think gin is one of those drinks that is so noxious I actually find myself questioning the people that drink it. Tastes horrific to me.

It's vile. Give me a good whiskey any day.

25-02-2019 01:21PM

Zzippy wrote: »

It's vile. Give me a good whiskey any day.

That's why there's so much gin these days. A lot of companies made whiskey and kinda realised after the fact that they won't base any return for 3-5+ years so started making gin in the meantime as its stupid fast to make and keeps profit coming in

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