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Do we really need to build the Metrolink?

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  • 21-02-2019 7:59pm
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    cluane
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    This noddy train which has been called 'Metrolink' is in the news today again:

    rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/0221/1031984-metrolink/

    It's useless. It is said to provide a brilliant service to the airport, but as it's public sector won't start for the first wave of departures and probably will be on strike 75% of the time.

    What we need to do is extend the DART to Drogheda, Kilcock and Navan, complete the DART Underground so that it would run on to Kildare station, have the Luas interconnect at Connolly, extend the Red Line to Rathcoole and Leixlip where it'll interconnect with the DART at Confey and extend the Green Line to Bray where it would interconnect with the DART there. We also need to massively improve bus services and I don't mean this BusConnects or Go Ahead plan.

    That is what we need to do for the Dublin region transport system and not build the fu**ing Metrolink.


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    #2
    Hedgelayer
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    There will be a Traintrack from Limerick to Shannon before that one takes off.


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    TheValeyard
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    You really are determined to have a Public Sector bashing thread OP, last one didn't work for ya?

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    cluane wrote: »
    This noddy train which has been called 'Metrolink' is in the news today again:

    rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/0221/1031984-metrolink/

    It's useless. It is said to provide a brilliant service to the airport, but as it's public sector won't start for the first wave of departures and probably will be on strike 75% of the time.

    What we need to do is extend the DART to Drogheda, Kilcock and Navan, complete the DART Underground so that it would run on to Kildare station, have the Luas interconnect at Connolly, extend the Red Line to Rathcoole and Leixlip where it'll interconnect with the DART at Confey and extend the Green Line to Bray where it would interconnect with the DART there. We also need to massively improve bus services and I don't mean this BusConnects or Go Ahead plan.

    That is what we need to do for the Dublin region transport system and not build the fu**ing Metrolink.

    The dart and luas are still very limited i their coverage. Why should bray get two ways of getting to the centre and Blanch none?

    I don’t like the metro either.


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    Ubbquittious
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    Twould be great if they actually built it instead of talking about it


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    JupiterKid
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    I disagree. We need most of the public transport imrovements you suggested AND the Metro to the Airport.

    Dublin is one of the few capital cities in the developed world that does not have a direct high capacity rail service from its city centre to its airport and it is shameful.

    Public transport is woefully poor in Ireland. Urgent backlog priorities ate the Metro line, full DART to Maynooth, the DART underground inner city connector and expansion of the LUAS system, coupled with increased denisty housing along the aforementioned systems.


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    cluane
    Site Banned Posts: 25 ✭cluane


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »
    You really are determined to have a Public Sector bashing thread OP, last one didn't work for ya?

    No, I think that public operated transport is the best way forward - but it needs RADICAL changes in efficiency. Which is why I think that the buses, DART and Luas should be prioritised over this Metro shíte.


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    yabadabado
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    Poor effort OP ,must try harder.


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    cluane
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    The airport is 5km inland from the DART line. Passengers at the airport won't use the Metro because it won't start until 7 so they won't be able to use it for the first departures and it'll close at 11 so they won't be able to use it for the final departures/arrivals. Plus the current plans propose completely fúcking up the Luas Green Line when they have a million and one alternative routes on the South line.


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    Cookie_Monster
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    it's been planned for 50 years, every 5-10 years they dust off the last set of plans, amend them slightly, spend a fortune and put them back on the shelf. It'll never happen


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    Your Face
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    Build and progress


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    Pinch Flat
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    No, dublin is city perfectly suited to 20% full vehicles all trying to get to the city together. 100,000 is not enough and given the thought our Georgian forefathers in planning for the motor car another 50,000 could easily be accommodated.


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    cluane
    Site Banned Posts: 25 ✭cluane


    What we need to do is:
    1. Extend the DART to Drogheda, Kilcock and Navan, complete the DART Underground so that it would run on to Kildare station, have the Luas interconnect at Connolly, extend the Red Line to Rathcoole and Leixlip where it'll interconnect with the DART at Confey and extend the Green Line to Bray where it would interconnect with the DART there. We also need to massively improve bus services and I don't mean this BusConnects or Go Ahead plan.
    2. Widen the M50 to 4 lanes and complete the eastern bypass. M2, M3 and M4 should be upgraded to motorway standard from the M50 junctions, not being the N2, N3 and N4 for a few exits and then becoming motorways.
    3. Extend the M2 to past Ashbourne to join with the N33 at Ardee so that HGVs can bypass the deathtrap bridge in Slane.
    4. Extend the M7 motorway from Naas to Junction 8 M50 in FULL motorway standard.
    5. Build an outer Dublin ring-road from Drogheda to Newbridge.
    6. Have public transport start at 5am and end at 1am.
    7. Bring Dublin Bus back into full state ownership and buy buses from THE ONLY IRISH VEHICLE MANUFACTURER(!), Wrightbus. Renew the fleet with brand new models every year.
    8. Give public transport workers SUFFICEINT PAY!
    9. Build Terminal 3 at Dublin Airport.

    Doing all of the above will improve the quality of living in Dublin, make it environmentally cleaner by taking millions of vehicles off the road each her due to public transport usage and increase Dublin's population. But of course the government are too fu**ed up to realise that.


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    cluane
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    If we are going to build the Metro, have it like the London Underground - numerous lines reaching out in all directions to different suburbs. It also needs to run from 4 in the morning until half midnight.


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    cluane
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    While my above proposals will doubtless cost 10-12 billion, it will end up in the long-term being the most worthwhile investment the government could ever possibly make


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    salmocab
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    cluane wrote: »
    The airport is 5km inland from the DART line. Passengers at the airport won't use the Metro because it won't start until 7 so they won't be able to use it for the first departures and it'll close at 11 so they won't be able to use it for the final departures/arrivals. Plus the current plans propose completely fúcking up the Luas Green Line when they have a million and one alternative routes on the South line.

    What makes you think the metro will start at 7? The luas starts before 6 and it has drivers which the metro is unlikely to have. You seem to have decided something based on absolutely nothing.


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    chosen1
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    https://www.newstalk.com/newstalk-breakfast/group-unveils-plan-for-sixline-dublin-metro-system-by-2025-491038
    How come this privately funded expanded metro is never even discussed?

    Only heard about it on one or two media outlets. Wouldn't it be worthwhile for the government to at least meet him and see what he has to say.


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    4068ac1elhodqr
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    Hyperloop is the future, but it will take someone else, somewhere else, to prove its effectiveness.


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    Last Stop
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    So what the OP is suggesting that Kildare gets a massive increase in public transport as well as new roads while the airport which carried 30 MILLION people last year and Swords with approx. 30,000 people don’t get anything?
    Makes perfect sense.


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    Last Stop
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    cluane wrote: »
    If we are going to build the Metro, have it like the London Underground - numerous lines reaching out in all directions to different suburbs. It also needs to run from 4 in the morning until half midnight.


    Yes because the London Undergorund was built as numerous lines overnight.


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    cluane
    Site Banned Posts: 25 ✭cluane


    Last Stop wrote: »
    So what the OP is suggesting that Kildare gets a massive increase in public transport as well as new roads while the airport which carried 30 MILLION people last year and Swords with approx. 30,000 people don’t get anything?
    Makes perfect sense.

    What doesn't make any sense is a Metro that'll serve the airport but not be available for the first and last wave of flights.


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    salmocab
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    cluane wrote: »
    What doesn't make any sense is a Metro that'll serve the airport but not be available for the first and last wave of flights.

    Why are you repeating this nonsense?


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    cluane
    Site Banned Posts: 25 ✭cluane


    salmocab wrote: »
    Why are you repeating this nonsense?

    How is it nonsense?


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    questionmark?
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    cluane wrote: »
    Last Stop wrote: »
    So what the OP is suggesting that Kildare gets a massive increase in public transport as well as new roads while the airport which carried 30 MILLION people last year and Swords with approx. 30,000 people don’t get anything?
    Makes perfect sense.

    What doesn't make any sense is a Metro that'll serve the airport but not be available for the first and last wave of flights.

    Your just making that up as you have no idea if this would happen.
    Airport needs rail connected transport now and even more so with the expansion plans.


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    salmocab
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    cluane wrote: »
    How is it nonsense?

    Because you don’t know the operating hours of something that hasn’t been built.


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    JohnC.
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    cluane wrote: »
    What doesn't make any sense is a Metro that'll serve the airport but not be available for the first and last wave of flights.

    What is your source for this?


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    L1011
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    chosen1 wrote: »
    https://www.newstalk.com/newstalk-breakfast/group-unveils-plan-for-sixline-dublin-metro-system-by-2025-491038
    How come this privately funded expanded metro is never even discussed?

    Only heard about it on one or two media outlets. Wouldn't it be worthwhile for the government to at least meet him and see what he has to say.

    It has been discussed here. It's a worthless fantasy
    cluane wrote: »
    What doesn't make any sense is a Metro that'll serve the airport but not be available for the first and last wave of flights.

    This is untrue and you have been told this already


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    an_fathach
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    cluane wrote: »
    The airport is 5km inland from the DART line. Passengers at the airport won't use the Metro because it won't start until 7 so they won't be able to use it for the first departures and it'll close at 11 so they won't be able to use it for the final departures/arrivals. Plus the current plans propose completely fúcking up the Luas Green Line when they have a million and one alternative routes on the South line.
    Sure isn't the Luas operation privatised? Privatisation is great, as long as you can get investors. I think self driving Metrolink is still on the cards too.


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    #29
    cluane
    Site Banned Posts: 25 ✭cluane


    If they could expand it to London underground style and self driving that would be good.

    Numerous lines?


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    defrule
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    You could give us the best public transport system overnight and we would still find a way to run it to the ground and get lines closed etc...


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    selassie
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    The Metro will have to cater for the 5-6 am transatlantic flights arriving so a starting time of 5 would be about right.


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