Do we really need to build the Metrolink?

salmocab

cluane wrote: »

If they could expand it to London underground style and self driving that would be good.

Numerous lines?

You didn’t want it a couple of days ago now you want multiple lines.

thomasj

While a metro is badly needed and sooner the better it comes, let's not take away from the fact that it is cheaper to get from cork or Galway to Dublin airport than it is to get from parts of Dublin , and in most cases , will likely remain the same even when the metro comes unless people get their acts together with regards to 24 hour bus services.

lawred2

cluane wrote: »

This noddy train which has been called 'Metrolink' is in the news today again:

rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/0221/1031984-metrolink/

It's useless. It is said to provide a brilliant service to the airport, but as it's public sector won't start for the first wave of departures and probably will be on strike 75% of the time.

What we need to do is extend the DART to Drogheda, Kilcock and Navan, complete the DART Underground so that it would run on to Kildare station, have the Luas interconnect at Connolly, extend the Red Line to Rathcoole and Leixlip where it'll interconnect with the DART at Confey and extend the Green Line to Bray where it would interconnect with the DART there. We also need to massively improve bus services and I don't mean this BusConnects or Go Ahead plan.

That is what we need to do for the Dublin region transport system and not build the fu**ing Metrolink.

Without quad tracking between Connolly and Howth Jnctn any investment in dart is money wasted

maninasia

JupiterKid wrote: »

I disagree. We need most of the public transport imrovements you suggested AND the Metro to the Airport.

Dublin is one of the few capital cities in the developed world that does not have a direct high capacity rail service from its city centre to its airport and it is shameful.

Public transport is woefully poor in Ireland. Urgent backlog priorities ate the Metro line, full DART to Maynooth, the DART underground inner city connector and expansion of the LUAS system, coupled with increased denisty housing along the aforementioned systems.

Not only developed countries, lots of countries in South East Asia have airport rail links now or building them..

GSBellew

cluane wrote: »

THE ONLY IRISH VEHICLE MANUFACTURER(!), Wrightbus.

You're wrong there, there are other vehicles designed and built in Ireland.

GSBellew

There is a simple solution, taking the JFK air train as inspiration, all that is required is a circular line, airport to Swords back to airport via long term car parks / car rental zones.

The trains run in constant loops, want to go to Dublin, get the air train to Swords and catch a train from there to Connley, want to go to Belfast, catch that train instead.

There is no point routing everyone to Dublin and figuring it out after, route them to a transit hub.

salmocab

GSBellew wrote: »

There is a simple solution, taking the JFK air train as inspiration, all that is required is a circular line, airport to Swords back to airport via long term car parks / car rental zones.

The trains run in constant loops, want to go to Dublin, get the air train to Swords and catch a train from there to Connley, want to go to Belfast, catch that train instead.

There is no point routing everyone to Dublin and figuring it out after, route them to a transit hub.

You know there is no train in swords at the moment?

an_fathach

maninasia wrote: »

Not only developed countries, lots of countries in South East Asia have airport rail links now or building them..

The airport bus services are excellent but I think on the grounds of connecting north Dublin and Swords, boosting fall for to places like the botanic gardens etc it is an exciting plan and could take a lot of vehicles off the roads. Anyone know how long it will take to make a profit?

salmocab

an_fathach wrote: »

The airport bus services are excellent but I think on the grounds of connecting north Dublin and Swords, boosting fall for to places like the botanic gardens etc it is an exciting plan and could take a lot of vehicles off the roads. Anyone know how long it will take to make a profit?

Profits aren’t really an issue in PT we generally pay for them through taxes. They benefit the economy indirectly though.

kravmaga

Last Stop wrote: »

So what the OP is suggesting that Kildare gets a massive increase in public transport as well as new roads while the airport which carried 30 MILLION people last year and Swords with approx. 30,000 people don’t get anything?
Makes perfect sense.

Swords is 40,000 approx in latest census of population for 2016

D.L.R.

the luas is a noddy traintrack.

metrolink is proper urban mass transit.

get a grip

cgcsb

cluane wrote: »

This noddy train which has been called 'Metrolink' is in the news today again:

rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/0221/1031984-metrolink/

It's useless. It is said to provide a brilliant service to the airport, but as it's public sector won't start for the first wave of departures and probably will be on strike 75% of the time.

What we need to do is extend the DART to Drogheda, Kilcock and Navan, complete the DART Underground so that it would run on to Kildare station, have the Luas interconnect at Connolly, extend the Red Line to Rathcoole and Leixlip where it'll interconnect with the DART at Confey and extend the Green Line to Bray where it would interconnect with the DART there. We also need to massively improve bus services and I don't mean this BusConnects or Go Ahead plan.

That is what we need to do for the Dublin region transport system and not build the fu**ing Metrolink.

You reckon metro would be frequently subject to strike action and not start early enough, ignoring that it's proposed to be driverless, run 24 hours and be operated by private company. Then you start talking about a fantasy dart expansion, to be run by CIE whom you've just admonished as inefficient

cgcsb

chosen1 wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/newstalk-breakfast/group-unveils-plan-for-sixline-dublin-metro-system-by-2025-491038
How come this privately funded expanded metro is never even discussed?

Only heard about it on one or two media outlets. Wouldn't it be worthwhile for the government to at least meet him and see what he has to say.

Because it's fantasy

Sam Russell

Mod: Changed title as Metrolink has no link to Noddy. Please do not belittle major infrastructure projects - we have enough of this from elected politicians and self appointed economists - all of whom should know better - and they should read the published information regarding Metrolink.

Sam Russell

an_fathach wrote: »

The airport bus services are excellent but I think on the grounds of connecting north Dublin and Swords, boosting fall for to places like the botanic gardens etc it is an exciting plan and could take a lot of vehicles off the roads. Anyone know how long it will take to make a profit?

Airport buses do not run every few minutes, as is expected with Metrolink. Also, buses are subject to traffic delays which Metrolink will not as it will be completely segregated.

Please read the published data re Metrolink to check the facts before posting.

L1011

GSBellew wrote: »

You're wrong there, there are other vehicles designed and built in Ireland.

Mostly actually in ROI too, rather than a firm owned by a virulent Unionist which has severe lack of diversity issues amongst its staff (they don't hire non-protestants as a general rule)

an_fathach

Sam Russell wrote: »

Airport buses do not run every few minutes, as is expected with Metrolink. Also, buses are subject to traffic delays which Metrolink will not as it will be completely segregated.

Please read the published data re Metrolink to check the facts before posting.

And buses can very cramped. Although they rarely get delays, delays are possible. The link had nothing on profitability. For everyone in SW and W Dublin buses will be quicker.

salmocab

an_fathach wrote: »

And buses can very cramped. Although they rarely get delays, delays are possible. The link had nothing on profitability. For everyone in SW and W Dublin buses will be quicker.

There’s not going to be profit, if you mean how long before we get 3 or 4 billion back.

Sam Russell

an_fathach wrote: »

And buses can very cramped. Although they rarely get delays, delays are possible. The link had nothing on profitability. For everyone in SW and W Dublin buses will be quicker.

If you live or travel SW to the Airport, you would be quicker to use the Metrolink for part of your journey, as CC to the Airport will be quickest be Metrolink.

Metrolink connects to most PT somewhere.

an_fathach

Sam Russell wrote: »

If you live or travel SW to the Airport, you would be quicker to use the Metrolink for part of your journey, as CC to the Airport will be quickest be Metrolink.

Metrolink connects to most PT somewhere.

Depends. Dublin Coach is pretty ace for SW and Metrolink is very unlikely to be useful there but it doesnt have to be.

cgcsb

Sam Russell wrote: »

If you live or travel SW to the Airport, you would be quicker to use the Metrolink for part of your journey, as CC to the Airport will be quickest be Metrolink.

Metrolink connects to most PT somewhere.

If you take the A spine to Rathmines and walk to Charlemont and take the Metro, that'd probably be the quickest way, about 40 minutes, assuming that the Rathfarnham cbc is built as planned.

Sam Russell

The big thing about Metrolink is it will be frequent - every few minutes. That is huge when planning journeys. If I miss a bus that is every half hour, that is also huge in terms of catching a flight.

cluane

If the Metrolink is driverless like the London DLR that would be fantastic. What I meant was that for FR flights you need to be in T1 2 hours in advance so for the 6 o'clock departures pax would need to be there at 4 and I thought that the Metrolink wouldn't start at that time like the Luas. In addition, the Metrolink needs to terminate at Donabate/Portrane instead of Estuary as that way it will link up with IÉ services.

Also, the Luas Red Line needs to extend to Rathcoole and terminate there instead of Saggart.

tom1ie

cluane wrote: »

This noddy train which has been called 'Metrolink' is in the news today again:

rte.ie/news/dublin/2019/0221/1031984-metrolink/

It's useless. It is said to provide a brilliant service to the airport, but as it's public sector won't start for the first wave of departures and probably will be on strike 75% of the time.

What we need to do is extend the DART to Drogheda, Kilcock and Navan, complete the DART Underground so that it would run on to Kildare station, have the Luas interconnect at Connolly, extend the Red Line to Rathcoole and Leixlip where it'll interconnect with the DART at Confey and extend the Green Line to Bray where it would interconnect with the DART there. We also need to massively improve bus services and I don't mean this BusConnects or Go Ahead plan.

That is what we need to do for the Dublin region transport system and not build the fu**ing Metrolink.

Chances are it will be an automated system. As in no drivers.

cgcsb

cluane wrote: »

If the Metrolink is driverless like the London DLR that would be fantastic. What I meant was that for FR flights you need to be in T1 2 hours in advance so for the 6 o'clock departures pax would need to be there at 4 and I thought that the Metrolink wouldn't start at that time like the Luas. In addition, the Metrolink needs to terminate at Donabate/Portrane instead of Estuary as that way it will link up with IÉ services.

Also, the Luas Red Line needs to extend to Rathcoole and terminate there instead of Saggart.

Well at least you didn't over react in your OP:rolleyes:

Fian

chosen1 wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/newstalk-breakfast/group-unveils-plan-for-sixline-dublin-metro-system-by-2025-491038
How come this privately funded expanded metro is never even discussed?

Only heard about it on one or two media outlets. Wouldn't it be worthwhile for the government to at least meet him and see what he has to say.

I keep hearing a tune about a monorail in my head when i read this, no idea why.......

CrowdedHouse

Honest I'm not trolling but what is metrolink, is it a full railway like Dart or just trams?

Rulmeq

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

Honest I'm not trolling but what is metrolink, is it a full railway like Dart or just trams?

It's in-between in terms of size, but it's far superior to both. It will run on a dedicated track (no competittion with inter-city rail, etc), and no interactions with cars or pedestrians. If they go with the fully automated option, then the lack of drivers means they can have 24/7 service, and no strikes.

CrowdedHouse

Thank you

cgcsb

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

Honest I'm not trolling but what is metrolink, is it a full railway like Dart or just trams?

https://www.metrolink.ie/#/home