Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

eviltwin · 21-02-2019 09:34AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Those stats are indeed hard to believe, but i am quoting directly from the available research.

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

Travellers have the same resources the rest of us have when it comes to health, the government can only do so much. Again where does personal responsibility come into this?

One thing that is an issue is the exceptionally high suicide rate in the traveller community but again that has more to do with their own attitudes and the stereotypes they embrace rather than anything else.

Ush1 · 21-02-2019 09:42AM

How do all these employers even know these people applying for jobs are travellers?

Sweet.Science · 21-02-2019 09:45AM

I genuinely dont know where they get the money. Travellers bought a house close to me for 330k.
At the start i thought the council provided bought it privately for them. However it was renovated straight away the council normally leave them idle until they have the money
2 161 vehicles in the driveway aswel

punisher5112 · 21-02-2019 09:51AM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I genuinely dont know where they get the money. Travellers bought a house close to me for 330k.
At the start i thought the council provided bought it privately for them. However it was renovated straight away the council normally leave them idle until they have the money
2 161 vehicles in the driveway aswel

Scams, theft, drugs, re selling stuff stolen...... Etc etc.

Dodgy driveway and cleaning services also.

sideswipe · 21-02-2019 09:53AM

na1 wrote: »

Poor little angels!

10 convictions a year, (if he started getting convicted at the age of 16)

If that’s his conviction rate, imagine what he’s getting away with!

Gen.Zhukov · 21-02-2019 09:54AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Those stats are indeed hard to believe, but i am quoting directly from the available research.

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

Yes, those stats are indeed hard to believe mainly because they are not accurate. This was pointed out to you before as seen below, but you continue to use/believe them and throw them out as facts.

Originally Posted by A Tyrant Named Miltiades!
It comes from a major survey, published about 10 years ago, called Travellers' Last Rights: Responding to Death in a Cultural Context

Vox Nihill:
Thanks. I just looked it up.

Vox Nihill:
The findings are contained in a new book, 'Travellers' Last Rights: Responding to Death in a Cultural Context', compiled by the Parish of the Travelling People from data related to 255 people and collated between 1995 and 2004 in the Dublin area.
I'd note that the Parish of the Travelling People is a religious group, and so I'd wonder about their qualifications to compile mortality statistics? Also, the conclusions are based on data on just 255 people? And the data were collated between 1995 and 2004, so some of the data is over 20 years old?

The All-Ireland Traveller Health Study, released in 2010, does show that travellers have lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than the settled population. Life expectancy for travellers is estimated to be 61.7 for men and 70.1 for women, while infant mortality in the traveller population is estimated at 14.1 per 1,000 live births. But I find it hard to reconcile these stats with the claim that half of all travellers die before age 40 or that 10 percent of traveller children die before age 2.

Edgware · 21-02-2019 09:55AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Those stats are indeed hard to believe, but i am quoting directly from the available research.

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

Ooooh. I'll have sleepless nights worrying about what future generations think of us

Effects · 21-02-2019 10:04AM

eviltwin wrote: »

Travellers have the same resources the rest of us have when it comes to health.

I'd argue that they have more than some.

Edgware · 21-02-2019 10:30AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

We had them camp at the front gate to our farm once upon a time. Lovely people, wonderful horsemanship, very enviable. Even managed to sell them a pony. No regrets.

I'm sure all the local I.F.A. members will agree with you. Just wait till you are visited one night by some of their extended family. Gob****es like you deserve what you get

ShaneC93 · 21-02-2019 12:35PM

Off on a quick mid-term city break!

KrustyUCC · 21-02-2019 12:37PM

That can't be cheap for her and the seven angles

21-02-2019 12:39PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Yet as soon as people get your 'Evidence', read it, question it and point out it doesn't back up your claims; you disappear?

I'm on my phone. It's a nightmare trying to multi quote using the mobile app. I have read all the replies, will reply when I'm back at my desk. Chill, petal.

inforfun · 21-02-2019 12:43PM

You deserve a break

Wonder what the answer is when you ask the people typing that why she deserves a break.

ohnonotgmail · 21-02-2019 12:44PM

inforfun wrote: »

Wonder what the answer is when you ask the people typing that why she deserves a break.

and a break from what exactly?

Ha Long Bay · 21-02-2019 12:46PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and a break from what exactly?

Shoplifting.

Boom_Bap · 21-02-2019 12:47PM

john4321 wrote: »

Shoplifting.

Ah hear, that's an awful thing to say. There are plenty of shops in England.

inforfun · 21-02-2019 12:47PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and a break from what exactly?

Also a good question.

Edgware · 21-02-2019 01:01PM

ShaneC93 wrote: »

Off on a quick mid-term city break!

Anywhere in particular we should avoid

21-02-2019 01:40PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That can't be cheap for her and the seven angles

She never said that she’s poor. Just homeless.

nice_guy80 · 21-02-2019 01:47PM

they don't even give the young kids a chance!

most traveller families do not take up the free preschool place that are FREE for their children. ITS FREE!!! you just have to bring them there 5 days a week. maybe thats the issue - no free transport.
where the kids might learn a few basic skills to help them - washing hands, social skills, proper language and vocabulary, counting, letters, how to play etc
any difficulties might be picked up on - speech and language, sight etc that could be treated while the child is young

they land into primary school at 5.
usually with no uniform, books or anything.
Then go running to the local social welfare officer to look for more money for that.

punisher5112 · 21-02-2019 01:56PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

they don't even give the young kids a chance!

most traveller families do not take up the free preschool place that are FREE for their children. ITS FREE!!! you just have to bring them there 5 days a week. maybe thats the issue - no free transport.
where the kids might learn a few basic skills to help them - washing hands, social skills, proper language and vocabulary, counting, letters, how to play etc
any difficulties might be picked up on - speech and language, sight etc that could be treated while the child is young

they land into primary school at 5.
usually with no uniform, books or anything.
Then go running to the local social welfare officer to look for more money for that.

Eh..... They do get free travel buses and mini buses are put on for them to pick them up.

It's actually shocking how much is provided it would make those working and actually doing everything to get their kids to school at cost cry.....

Fr_Dougal · 21-02-2019 02:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

She never said that she’s poor. Just homeless.

True...yet she still feels the need to steal...

Deebles McBeebles · 21-02-2019 02:14PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

True...yet she still feels the need to steal...

Steal the hearts of the Irish people? You know, the ones telling her to enjoy her deserved break.

Going to Galway for a night next month and I thought I was living it up. This whole work situation really gets in the way.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 21-02-2019 02:24PM

holliehobbie wrote: »

Isn't it illegal to get married at 15?

Before this year it was possible for people under 18 to marry if they got permission from the Circuit Family Court or High Court.

As of 1 January 2019, under the Domestic Violence Act 2018, people under 18 can no longer apply to the Irish courts for permission to marry. In practice, teenage Travellers will now go to Northern Ireland or England, where 16-year-olds can marry with their parents' or guardians' permission.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 21-02-2019 02:27PM

She's probably visiting family members over in England.

Deebles McBeebles · 21-02-2019 02:31PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

She's probably visiting family members over in England.

Do you reckon they got back from New Zealand by now?

KrustyUCC · 21-02-2019 02:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

She never said that she’s poor. Just homeless.

Ha true that

Sad thing is that she is 100% dependent on taxpayers but yet can afford a week in England with the seven angles and things like Fiona Todhunter communion dress for her daughter, Jas Fagan €600 on a communion suit for her son

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 21-02-2019 02:47PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I wonder hoe many older users of this forum didn't stay in school until the age of 17 or 18?

Some settled children leave school early too, of course, but the disparity is striking: 86 percent of the settled population complete secondary education, as compared with just 8 percent of Travellers.

The OECD's Education at a Glance report notes that employment prospects for people without a Leaving Cert have plummeted in recent years. Less than half of early school-leavers now get jobs. Unsurprisingly, one in four female early school-leavers and one in five males report suffering from depression.

The message is clear -- someone who leaves school between age 12 and 15, as most Travellers do, has little chance at a future that does not involve social welfare dependency or crime.

Early school-leaving and early marriage, both designed to protect the insularity and thus continuity of Traveller culture, are at the core of Travellers' social problems. These "traditions" ensure that many Travellers end up illiterate and saddled with children even before they are out of their teens. While young settled women are off in university furthering their education and preparing for a career, many of their Traveller peers are stuck in a caravan pregnant and/or raising kids, without even a Junior Cert to their name.

This has to end. But by recognizing Travellers as an ethnic minority, defending their "culture" to the hilt, and characterizing any criticism of Travellers as racist right-wing bigotry, the liberal left is only standing in the way of change.

freshpopcorn · 21-02-2019 02:52PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I genuinely dont know where they get the money. Travellers bought a house close to me for 330k.
At the start i thought the council provided bought it privately for them. However it was renovated straight away the council normally leave them idle until they have the money
2 161 vehicles in the driveway aswel

I know in my area the council bought houses for travellers a few years ago.
They did them up fast enough to bring them up to regulations.

dermo888 · 21-02-2019 03:00PM

'This has to end' - correct. The worst of it has to end. But its a matter of persuasion. Look at how the Aboriginal community in Australia are handled, a community far more disadvantaged and loathed compared to the Irish Travellers. The gypsies in continental Europe are despised too, due to their abject criminality and inability to conform to modern societal norms.

Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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