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Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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  • #6932
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I doubt that Margaret Cash makes no contribution to the Government, I assume she pays up to 23% VAT on items that she purchases, just like the rest of us.

    *****Looks at thread title********

    Seriously, I can't stop laughing


  • #6933
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kimbot wrote: »
    *****Looks at thread title********

    Seriously, I can't stop laughing
    *Traveller allegedly shoplifts*

    "OMG I was right all along! They're all thieves!!!!LL1!"

    Alright, lets start this again when you're willing to come at this discussion with a bit of evidence. Thank you.


  • #6934
    holliehobbie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭holliehobbie


    Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »
    Dante7 wrote: »
    As always, education is the answer. Education and contraception to empower women is how it progresses. Be very careful of any organisation trying to tell you otherwise.

    American researchers have come up with a basic formula for any child from a disadvantaged background who wants to advance into the middle class: Finish high school, get a full-time job, and wait until at least age 21 to get married and have children. People who do these basic things have a very good chance of escaping their background.

    But look at how Travellers do on these metrics. Only about 8 percent of Traveller children complete secondary education, with the majority dropping out of school between the ages of 12 and 15. Only a small minority of Travellers have full-time jobs -- in fact, there are more adult male Travellers on disability allowance than there are in full-time employment. And many Travellers marry and have children while still in their teens themselves.

    Margaret Cash is Exhibit A here. Left school at 12, married at 15, pregnant at 16, and a mother of seven by 27.

    Anybody who genuinely cares about Travellers' well-being should be trying to stamp out traditions of early school-leaving, rampant unemployment, and girls getting married as young as 16.

    Remarkably, though, people who criticize these aspects of Traveller culture are labelled racists and right-wing bigots. It makes no sense.
    Isn't it illegal to get married at 15?


  • #6935
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    *Traveller allegedly shoplifts*

    "OMG I was right all along! They're all thieves!!!!LL1!"

    Alright, lets start this again when you're willing to come at this discussion with a bit of evidence. Thank you.

    Will you go away out of that, if you want evidence go look for it yourself. The woman has convictions for theft.


  • #6936
    deaddonkey15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Krieger et al, All-Ireland Traveller-Health Study, 2005; in which travellers experienced almost twice as much discrimination as black Americans when applying for employment.

    Have you a link to that paper?


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  • #6937
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    *Traveller allegedly shoplifts*

    "OMG I was right all along! They're all thieves!!!!LL1!"

    Alright, lets start this again when you're willing to come at this discussion with a bit of evidence. Thank you.

    Nothing alleged. She admitted it!


  • #6938
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kimbot wrote: »
    Will you go away out of that, if you want evidence go look for it yourself. The woman has multiple convictions for theft alone.
    No offence to Margaret Cash, but I'm not really interested in her.

    I asked for evidence in relation to travellers, in general.

    I won't get it, mind you, but asking is half the battle.


  • #6939
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    deaddonkey15 wrote: »
    Have you a link to that paper?
    https://www.ucd.ie/t4cms/AITHS_SUMMARY.pdf


  • #6940
    mikemac2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,991 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    We had them camp at the front gate to our farm once upon a time. Lovely people, wonderful horsemanship, very enviable. Even managed to sell them a pony. No regrets.

    Was this in 1950?


  • #6941
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mikemac2 wrote: »
    Was this in 1950?
    1998 or thereabouts, not far from Nenagh, my fellow Tipp-man (if I remember correctly)


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  • #6942
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    No offence to Margaret Cash, but I'm not really interested in her.

    I asked for evidence in relation to travellers, in general.

    I won't get it, mind you, but asking is half the battle.

    I wasn't generalizing travellers so I'm not going to provide you with this evidence you crave, as I said you can go look for that yourself. My comment was specifically about her paying vat, but it doesn't matter if she gets a 5 finger discount, the money she does buy anything with comes straight out of government coffers so she's not really providing anything.

    Oh and if you are not interested in Margaret what the hell are you doing in this thread? You want to discuss something else then go post a new thread, this one is about Margaret


  • #6943
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kimbot wrote: »
    I wasn't generalizing travellers so I'm not going to provide you with this evidence you crave
    Oh! Guilty me! Asking for evidence of your claims, how DAFT!
    Oh and if you are not interested in Margaret what the hell are you doing in this thread? You want to discuss something else then go post a new thread, this one is about Margaret
    I have so many questions.

    Firstly, why are you referring to a stranger by their forename? But that question is minor in relation to my next question --

    You've decided that this thread is about "Margaret"?! Do you have any idea of how pathetic that sounds? That you are following online the activities of some single mum, and making sure that nobody speaks out in her favour? Ah here, have a word with yourself, lad.


  • #6944
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Oh! Guilty me! Asking for evidence of your claims, how DAFT!

    I have so many questions.

    Firstly, why are you referring to a stranger by their forename? But that question is minor in relation to my next question --

    You've decided that this thread is about "Margaret"?! Do you have any idea of how pathetic that sounds? That you are following online the activities of some single mum, and making sure that nobody speaks out in her favour? Ah here, have a word with yourself, lad.

    What claim did I make that requires evidence?

    The only person that needs to have a word with themselves is you "lad" cos your the one taking the piss at this stage.


  • #6945
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Ah sure you're only throwing me soft-balls now, you're being too gentle.

    Krieger et al, All-Ireland Traveller-Health Study, 2005; in which travellers experienced almost twice as much discrimination as black Americans when applying for employment.

    Ask me a harder one. This is too easy.

    The paper you quoted below shows that 90% of travellers are unemployed. 'Twice as much discrimination as Black Americans when applying for employment'. Does that mean 45% of Black Americans are unemployed? Doubt it
    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    https://www.ucd.ie/t4cms/AITHS_SUMMARY.pdf

    The paper you quoted references Krieger but does not link to Krieger's research on Discrimination of Travellers regards employment. It does not describe how the data was gathered or calculated, which is what I suspect you were asked to show.


  • #6946
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kimbot wrote: »
    What claim did I make that requires evidence?

    The only person that needs to have a word with themselves is you "lad" cos your the one taking the piss at this stage.
    The internet is wonderful, isn't it?

    All sorts of head-bangers can make all sorts of statements, and never have to back them up.

    Ah well. We can all judge these posters on the basis of their evidence, or lack thereof.


  • #6947
    deaddonkey15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    https://www.ucd.ie/t4cms/AITHS_SUMMARY.pdf

    A 10 year old study based on self-reported experiences of discrimination, in which it states that discrimination, or perceived discrimination in this case, may arise from a number of factors and not just ethnicity. Rock solid stuff.


  • #6948
    deaddonkey15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The paper you quoted references Krieger but does not link to Krieger's research on Discrimination of Travellers regards employment. It does not describe how the data was gathered or calculated, which is what I suspect you were asked to show.

    It references a 2005 paper by Krieger in which she uses an EOD (Experiences of Discrimination) model that she developed and published a paper on in 1990.

    But it essentially just boils down to asking "Have you ever experienced discrimination when getting hired or getting a job?". Very scientific.


  • #6949
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    deaddonkey15 wrote: »
    A 10 year old study based on self-reported experiences of discrimination, in which it states that discrimination, or perceived discrimination in this case, may arise from a number of factors and not just ethnicity. Rock solid stuff.

    Yes it mainly says that Travellers feel that they have no employment opportunities due to lack of education.
    This is exactly what we are all saying.

    Instead of solving the issue by availing of education, they decide to continue not getting an education and then moan about lack of employment opportunities. :rolleyes:


  • #6950
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:
    What's the exact quote?


    I told you she claimed the government was robbing her blind despite all her income is derived from the state. Another poster linked the radio interview to where she made this claim which I see you ignored so you can claim ignorance. So maybe scoot back a few posts and listen to the interview. You did ask for a hard question, so again can you explain Mags logic as to how the state is robbing her blind considering all her income is given to her by the state.


  • #6951
    deaddonkey15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Yes it mainly says that Travellers feel that they have no employment opportunities due to lack of education.
    This is exactly what we are all saying.

    Instead of solving the issue by availing of education, they decide to continue not getting an education and then moan about lack of employment opportunities. :rolleyes:

    The report comments on positive aspects of traveller culture with this line:

    "Many positive aspects of Traveller culture and value systems should be better promoted. The strong sense of community, family support, religiosity, and valuing of Traveller culture and identity emerge from the data"

    I'm fairly sure one of the other blow-ins who came in on a wind up earlier in the thread cited the same things as the bolded part above. Looks like they're all singing from the same hymn sheet.


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  • #6952
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Kivaro wrote:
    Lads, after looking at the last post above, I wouldn't be inclined to feed it.


    You're right saw him/her called out as a troll on another thread. Not saying they are but a pattern is emerging. Time to engage the ignore button.


  • #6953
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    How many attempts at closing the thread has been made, anyone know? I think the Tyrant is the lastest to try .


  • #6954
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    The internet is wonderful, isn't it?

    All sorts of head-bangers can make all sorts of statements, and never have to back them up.

    Ah well. We can all judge these posters on the basis of their evidence, or lack thereof.

    What statement did I make???


  • #6955
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Kimbot wrote:
    What statement did I make???


    I wouldn't bother with this person anymore, this behaviour typifies there interaction on every thread they comment on. The idea is to wind you up, get you banned or close the thread.


  • #6956
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,876 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    How many attempts at closing the thread has been made, anyone know? I think the Tyrant is the lastest to try .

    I don't really get it somebody lands into the thread every few weeks and states their disgust in people talking about somebody in the media/homelessness/our welfare system/criminality/how these things can be changed/etc.
    They then seem to say they don't care and don't know why people are posting in the thread.
    I don't like certain things/have no interest in discussing them. I don't land into the threads tough call the posters names and call for the threads to be closed.


  • #6957
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    freshpopcorn wrote:
    I don't really get it somebody lands into the thread every few weeks and states their disgust in people talking about somebody in the media/homelessness/our welfare system/criminality/how these things can be changed/etc. They then seem to say they don't care and don't know why people are posting in the thread. I don't like certain things/have no interest in discussing them. I don't land into the threads tough call the posters names and call for the threads to be closed.

    It's amazing how many people are in favour of censorship. lol.


  • #6958
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    hurler32 wrote: »
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/three-brothers-are-jailed-on-same-day-after-separate-vicious-attacks-37821957.html

    A fair achievement for this Ennis Co Clare traveller family .....Ennis is a town that has a growing traveller crime problem which is ruining what was once a lovely town .
    Poor little angels!
    Damien Sherlock (27),
    ... Damien Sherlock has 110 previous convictions,

    10 convictions a year, (if he started getting convicted at the age of 16)


  • #6959
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,429 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    na1 wrote: »
    Poor little angels!



    10 convictions a year, (if he started getting convicted at the age of 16)

    And they wonder why they are unemployable?

    If you were an employer would you take on a 27 year old with so many convictions?

    I wouldn't, and it's not racist. I wouldn't take on a settled person with 110 convictions either.


  • #6960
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I asked for evidence in relation to travellers, in general.

    I won't get it, mind you, but asking is half the battle.

    Yet as soon as people get your 'Evidence', read it, question it and point out it doesn't back up your claims; you disappear?


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  • #6961
    na1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 921 ✭✭✭na1


    Dtp1979 wrote: »
    I’m sure this has been said, but why is cash still entitled to a council house when she has 100k to fall back on??
    I never said I was poor. I said I was homeless
    (c)


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