Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Suckit · 20-02-2019 03:44PM

There were plenty of other photos. But I am only vaguely remembering.
IIRC, the CCTV footage allegedly showed the getaway cars, which gave the Byrnes some people to target (as if they needed it).

LuckyLloyd · 20-02-2019 03:45PM

Cheers lads

Boom_Bap · 20-02-2019 03:48PM

When they came out of the hotel, did they not run the wrong way and then have to turn and run the other way to the getaway van....and then the van drove the wrong way.
So I'm sure by-standers where wondering what the f*ck was going on.

The case obvisously fell apart on legal technicalities. But I imagine that there is also something about removing the Garda presence from the hotel before the event has something to do with it. If the journo's knew about it, the Gardaí certainly did.

STB. · 20-02-2019 03:49PM

Major Great Cellist wrote: »

Why is the opinion of Gardai on the id of a man in the photo of such importance? Surely photographic evidence should stand by itself - let the jury or judge as applicable look at the photo and look at the defendant in front of them and make a decision. I don't see why the opinion of any Garda adds to the confirmation of identity in such a scenario. I understand there's more to the collapse of the trial than just this element but I've never understood why it was ever relevant at all.

Because there is an identification process. This process is done on an individual basis. The defence had already put forward a case that the ID process did not follow this process and was sullied, tainted and inadmissable.

Emails were then released to the court that brought the whole trial to a halt.

spider baby 172 · 20-02-2019 03:59PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

When they came out of the hotel, did they not run the wrong way and then have to turn and run the other way to the getaway van....and then the van drove the wrong way.
So I'm sure by-standers where wondering what the f*ck was going on.

The case obvisously fell apart on legal technicalities. But I imagine that there is also something about removing the Garda presence from the hotel before the event has something to do with it. If the journo's knew about it, the Gardaí certainly did.

Well the plan was to use the exit through the gated apartment complex at the opposite end of the car park, rather than out onto the main road. Thats why I cant understand why they are running towards the main road and towards the bedlam.
If it comes out that a Garda presence was purposefully removed beforehand, that is HUGE.

Boom_Bap · 20-02-2019 04:13PM

spider baby 172 wrote: »

Well the plan was to use the exit through the gated apartment complex at the opposite end of the car park, rather than out onto the main road. Thats why I cant understand why they are running towards the main road and towards the bedlam.
If it comes out that a Garda presence was purposefully removed beforehand, that is HUGE.

That's just a recollection of mine around the time it happened , I've no idea if it's true or not.

spider baby 172 · 20-02-2019 04:18PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

That's just a recollection of mine around the time it happened , I've no idea if it's true or not.

It makes sense though. There would hardly be an under 12 GAA game without some Garda presence these days. Not to mention there was an attempt made at the Red Cow only months beforehand.

realdanbreen · 20-02-2019 04:37PM

I can think of at least 3 pubs in town that I will be giving a miss for the next few days.

tomwaits48 · 20-02-2019 04:39PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

I can think of at least 3 pubs in town that I will be giving a miss for the next few days.

which ones? might head in for the craic

Muahahaha · 20-02-2019 04:47PM

SeaFields wrote: »

I see a tribunal coming....

Not a hope, all we are going to see is the State proverbially sweeping this entire matter under the carpet never to be spoken of again. It is an embarrassment for policing and justice in this country

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've assumed for a while that it was an Ian Bailey esque thing - "We don't know who it is, but we all hate Patrick Hutch and he's likely to have wanted to do it, so let's all agree privately to say we recognise him in this photo even though we haven't actually got a clue".

I can't think of anything else which would have caused a case of this magnitude to fall apart.

That sounds pretty close to what went on. Gardai seemed to have pre-ordained Patrick Hutch as the lead suspect.

Boom_Bap wrote: »

That's just a recollection of mine around the time it happened , I've no idea if it's true or not.

I can't recall any story coming out that the Gardai were due to attend the boxing weigh in and then an order came for them not to attend, if that was the case it opens up even more questions. I thought the story was Gardai got caught massively on the hop over the whole event- there was huge chatter on Twitter by the Byrnes & Kinahans in the days leading up to the weigh in and every crime journo knew of it and knew who was due to show up whereas the Gardai didn't seem to take it seriously,they came out and said they had no intelligence that an attack was inniment and they went on to blame it on a lack of overtime.

The Garda cannot be everywhere and even hapless criminals will sometimes be lucky. It is also easy to be wise after the fact. However, a number of newspapers who monitor events – mostly for their photographic archive – where they know serious criminals will be present were in attendance at the Regency.

And the journalists – not to mention the murder gang – knew key drug dealer Daniel Kinahan would be present.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/regency-hotel-shooting-cutbacks-saw-garda%C3%AD-miss-a-big-target-1.2527414

dundalkfc10 · 20-02-2019 04:48PM

Edgware wrote: »

Dead man walking.
League of Ireland team trying to take out Champions League Team. Could ever only be one result.

Like just over 2 years ago when Dundalk beat Champions League regulars BATE from few years before 3-1 over 2 legs?

Drumorig · 20-02-2019 05:07PM

Sounds like the hutches were rats, and fox knew about the regency before it happened.
It ties in with the ****e Williams and co come out with how everything is the cartels fault and hutches are victims.

That's why the trial collapsed and we will never hear that come out.

mirwillbeback · 20-02-2019 05:15PM

With all the advances in facial recognition technology, could they not identify whether Hutch was indeed dressed up as a woman?

spider baby 172 · 20-02-2019 05:17PM

Drumorig wrote: »

Sounds like the hutches were rats, and fox knew about the regency before it happened.
It ties in with the ****e Williams and co come out with how everything is the cartels fault and hutches are victims.

That's why the trial collapsed and we will never hear that come out.

Emmm.... Where have you been the last 3 years, have you seen all the killings that have been committed. Paul Williams is indeed full of it but to my knowledge he was always condemned the Regency shooting. And also, how many people have the "cartel" killed now? How many of them were in the regency that day. Answer = none.

Criminal informer · 20-02-2019 05:23PM

Drumorig wrote: »

Sounds like the hutches were rats, and fox knew about the regency before it happened.
It ties in with the ****e Williams and co come out with how everything is the cartels fault and hutches are victims.

That's why the trial collapsed and we will never hear that come out.

That's one of the theories going around but it's doubtful, another is that "someone" gave the Byrne's the 12 names allegedly involved and it's was on one of the devices.

How could a criminal outfit be as big a without having a few detectives and guards on your books, and now he has been aquitted it raises even more questions about all the detectives involved.

mirwillbeback wrote: »

With all the advances in facial recognition technology, could they not identify whether Hutch was indeed dressed up as a woman?

"the accuracy of facial recognition system as a biometric technology is lower than iris recognition and fingerprint recognition"

Wheeliebin30 · 20-02-2019 05:39PM

Criminal informer wrote: »

That's one of the theories going around but it's doubtful, another is that "someone" gave the Byrne's the 12 names allegedly involved and it's was on one of the devices.

How could a criminal outfit be as big a without having a few detectives and guards on your books, and now he has been aquitted it raises even more questions about all the detectives involved.

"the accuracy of facial recognition system as a biometric technology is lower than iris recognition and fingerprint recognition"

Wasn’t one gard sacked last year for passing on info to the cartel?

Criminal informer · 20-02-2019 06:02PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Wasn’t one gard sacked last year for passing on info to the cartel?

I dont know about passing to "the cartel" but other Garda's have been caught passing info to smaller gangs.

xzanti · 20-02-2019 06:12PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

This photo seems mad to me. I have silly questions on it (that people who follow this stuff even vaguely would obviously know):

- who is the other guy? Is he alive / charged?
- who took this photo of lads running with guns towards them?
- why are their people in the background who do not seem to be running away or focussing on the gunmen?

It almost doesn't look like a real photo if I'm honest.

It is bizarre. I thought it was a reconstruction scene tbh.

KM792 · 20-02-2019 06:13PM

Lee Byrne(Liams son)posted on his insta"I remain to stay silent but remember!!Every dog has their day.Karma is real."

I can't imagine they're too upset over an acquittal surely they prefer to dispense justice their own way.

What happened to David's other brother James,did he emigrate to the UK as well?

Clytus · 20-02-2019 06:15PM

Criminal informer wrote: »

That's one of the theories going around but it's doubtful, another is that "someone" gave the Byrne's the 12 names allegedly involved and it's was on one of the devices.

How could a criminal outfit be as big a without having a few detectives and guards on your books, and now he has been aquitted it raises even more questions about all the detectives involved.

"the accuracy of facial recognition system as a biometric technology is lower than iris recognition and fingerprint recognition"

I mentioned this about 100 pages back in this thread...and again, Ill qualify it with its something I heard through a few Twitter accounts; but the story goes that Det Fox gave Jaws Byrne a full list of the suspects involved in the Regency attack. It then appears that Patsy Hutch got wind and evidence of this and started blackmailing Fox. Whether that is fully true or not is open to debate, but for a trial like this to collapse in the manner it has is virtually another GUBU moment!

Drumorig · 20-02-2019 06:20PM

spider baby 172 wrote: »

Emmm.... Where have you been the last 3 years, have you seen all the killings that have been committed. Paul Williams is indeed full of it but to my knowledge he was always condemned the Regency shooting. And also, how many people have the "cartel" killed now? How many of them were in the regency that day. Answer = none.

Of course he will condemn it, I'm listening to Williams now on newstalk, 1 sided ****e.

Breaston Plants · 20-02-2019 06:42PM

This Patrick Hutch character must be a walking dead man, he'd be a lot safer if he had got locked up for it. Crazy stuff.

spider baby 172 · 20-02-2019 06:42PM

Drumorig wrote: »

Of course he will condemn it, I'm listening to Williams now on newstalk, 1 sided ****e.

He defo only talks ****e for sure, but like I said, he always has his own agenda. Probably another book. But I never took him to be biased towards the Hutches. I have heard him speak badly numerous times about Gerry Hutch.

What I think is sometimes missed in this is that the Hutch gang get mixed up with the Hutch family. As far as I know only a handfull of family members associate with the gang. It was the gang that shot up the regency, but the entire family and extended family are getting terrorised. And because the family is so spread out a whole community is paying the price. Thats not one sided, thats just the truth.

Calltocall · 20-02-2019 06:53PM

In fairness, Gemma O’Doherty gets an awful lot of stick and she does post a lot of crazy **** however she has been going on about corruption in this case for a while now, there’s a broadsheet article she wrote talking about this case about year ago and she was getting abused in the comments for being nuts yet she was on the money, only thing that’s surprising/odd is that she didn’t post anything today after the trial collapsed yet she’s been posting all day about other mad stuff!

Edgware · 20-02-2019 07:11PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You keep not saying what you believe.

Not true. Check my posts. I said that the identification evidence was admitted but that when it came to consideration by the Judges after hearing all the evidence they wouldnt accept the identification evidence as being beyond reasonable doubt

Edgware · 20-02-2019 07:15PM

Calltocall wrote: »

In fairness, Gemma O’Doherty gets an awful lot of stick and she does post a lot of crazy **** however she has been going on about corruption in this case for a while now, there’s a broadsheet article she wrote talking about this case about year ago and she was getting abused in the comments for being nuts yet she was on the money, only thing that’s surprising/odd is that she didn’t post anything today after the trial collapsed yet she’s been posting all day about other mad stuff!

Shes too busy in Dallas checking out the grassy knoll

Rows Grower · 20-02-2019 08:08PM

Edgware wrote: »

Shes too busy in Dallas checking out the grassy knoll

She predicted exactly what happened today a long time ago and she also gave the reasons why.

mynamejeff · 20-02-2019 08:41PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Wasn’t one gard sacked last year for passing on info to the cartel?

do you mean this ?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/garda-admits-passing-information-to-criminals-known-as-the-child-and-the-pharmacy-36960048.html

if so then no , not really jut some small time criminals in sligo

STB. · 20-02-2019 10:19PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

When they came out of the hotel, did they not run the wrong way and then have to turn and run the other way to the getaway van....and then the van drove the wrong way.
So I'm sure by-standers where wondering what the f*ck was going on..

Reports printed in newspapers at the time quoted "Garda sources" as saying that the shooters entered the Regency Hotel through a back door, not covered by CCTV, and left the same way. The other suspect in the picture allegedly stayed as a guest at the Regency the previous night.

There's a fairly crude synopsis here of the early stages of evidence given at the trial, by the manager of the Regency, an Indo Journalist and a photographer.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 20-02-2019 10:26PM

Edgware wrote: »

Not true. Check my posts. I said that the identification evidence was admitted but that when it came to consideration by the Judges after hearing all the evidence they wouldnt accept the identification evidence as being beyond reasonable doubt

Eh?

The trial was abandoned by the government.

And how come there were no other witnesses. Intimidation?

Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Comments