Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

JCX BXC wrote: »

It has, but other than the odd PR release the Shannon lobby against Dublin developments has been dead for over a century.

I'm very surprised at the anti-shannon sentiment here, unnecessary anger even. However it's probably well that years are moving on if some take such irrational views.

"over a century"?! The DUB runway debacle was in the late 1980s. And as other posters have mentioned, needless TATL SNN stopovers were still in operation well into the 2000s. Have a look at some of the debates in the Oireachtas surrounding the Aviation Regulation Bill, in 2000, and you'll see some intense anti-DUB lobbying by rural TDs. And, if you want to go even more recently there are still TDs lobbying for SNN to get more flights at the expense of DUB to this day, this is under 12 months ago:

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/310339/limerick-td-says-government-must-note-decline-in-shannon-airport-numbers.html

Shedite27 wrote: »

Ya can't just put everything on the east of the country. Dublin as a city is at breaking point until it sorts out its transport and housing issues. More flights into the regions will allow the other cities to attract more employers, and reduce the stress on Dublin

DUB isn't at breaking point, though (outside of 6am-7am takeoffs anyway - which will be solved with the new runway). And there isn't a huge amount of stress for housing in the areas around the airport that staff would preference - its not prime residential land.

Ireland just isn't big enough to justify having multiple long haul international airports. All of Belfast, Cork, Galway and Limerick are within a 3 hour drive of DUB. If DUB doesn't get a long haul flight its more likely to go to LGW or MAN than ORK or SNN unfortunately - because having lots of connection options are absolutely key in this day and age for long haul. Any other successful small sized country focuses aviation development on on one large airport for this reason. ie the Netherlands, Denmark etc.

Shedite27 wrote: »

Ya can't just put everything on the east of the country.

There are massive economies of scale in locating in Dublin, also vastly greater access to skilled workforces. These are the reasons cities came to exist in the first place.

Dublin as a city is at breaking point until it sorts out its transport and housing issues.

Dublin suffers from massive under-investment in infrastructure, and always has.

I doubt you or anyone else outside Dublin will be campaigning for several billion to be spent on a metro network, but it's absolutely essential for a city of its size.

More flights into the regions will allow the other cities to attract more employers, and reduce the stress on Dublin

You can't make passengers or airlines fly where they don't want to go. We tried that and it was highly detrimental to the country as a whole. When some amateur does it once we call it hijacking, when a government was forcing airlines and passengers every day to fly to where they didn't wan't to go we called it a stopover

Balf wrote: »

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that. Its more asking what the expectation is, in discussion about airports policy.

There doesn't seem to be a physical barrier to Shannon handling more traffic. Do folk expect a policy that, in some way, prevents Dublin from accepting more traffic? If not, is there anything to be said, beyond noticing that Shannon was established as a debt-free independent airport and is free to generate whatever business it can?

Yeah I wasn't criticizing airports policy, each can do what they want (and what they can attract). My initial comments were about the post below, which seemed to suggest government policy and investment should be to just have one large airport

Blut2 wrote: »

The network effect is extremely strong with airports, which combined with Ireland's small size, means (unfortunately for SNN/ORK) the country would be best served by focusing as much investment, and as many flights as possible, into one main airport.

cgcsb wrote: »

Well no, flights to near destinations in Europe are what regional airports are for.

There are exceptions, and Shannon is one.

Kev11491 wrote: »

Off topic but currently sitting in 51st and green, 3 hours ahead of my flight. From check in to the lounge it took no more than 45mins. Just figured it's worth mentioning when T2 functions well.

I fly through Dublin maybe 10 times a year, always find it a breeze. One of the nicer airports. Worst part is when you arrive and there's no public transport other than the quaint double decker 16 bus via Beaumont. Even Rejkavik has better public transport access.

Donegal Storm wrote: »

Went pretty much as expected, everyone complaining that Dublin is full and congested and saying the regionals should get their fair share. Lots of complaining but no solutions or realistic proposals put forward of course...

Let’s regulate the heck out of the industry and return to the good old days of Shannon stopovers and £250 fares to London. Yay.

Shedite27 wrote: »

The biggest bus station in Ireland is in the airport.

There are far more busses than Rejkavik.

A series of rainy windswept bus stops hardly constitutes a Bus Station, imagine the private Galway New Coach station and then transplant that into Dublin Airport, that should be how the Airport bus services are done, and get rid of double deckers except maybe for local services like the no. 41, the 747 bus service being a Double Decker is a joke.

How are people flying for work into Dublin not just taking the aircoach?

ozzy jr wrote: »

I was there last week after arriving in Terminal 2. My bus was meant to arrive at area 19. I could not find area 19. I found 18, 20 and 21. I asked a driver of the Blue Car Park Bus where the Quick Park Bus stopped. He pointed me in the right direction (outside Terminal 1). I got on the Bus and there was a sign on the bus saying "We do not pick up at Terminal 2". No signs anywhere else to tell me this :rolleyes:

Anyone catching the Quickpark bus *from* the airport will have caught it *to* the airport and should have noticed the signs, audio announcements etc on the way.

theguzman wrote: »

A series of rainy windswept bus stops hardly constitutes a Bus Station, imagine the private Galway New Coach station and then transplant that into Dublin Airport, that should be how the Airport bus services are done, and get rid of double deckers except maybe for local services like the no. 41, the 747 bus service being a Double Decker is a joke.

Lets not forget that DAA charge a hefty fee for buses to pick up at the airport. As far as public infrastructure goes to encourage modes other than taxis and private cars ... it doesn't.

Video on how ATC are preparing for the new runway