Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

PTH2009 · 12-02-2019 06:19PM

Hurlers back in action this weekend and finally a home game (well a short trip up the road for us Easterns

:D) against Carlow on Sat night

Carlow after a shock draw against Galway will no doubt be a tough challenge for us and we need to keep our concentration. A win will gurantee us a QF and on paper this will be the last called 'soft' game for us as we will face Dublin (A) /Galway (H) and a possible 1A team in the coming weeks. Hopefully a few more of the squad will be looked at this weekend. Ballygunner players prob wont be back for another few weeks

Jerry Atrick · 13-02-2019 04:01PM

Another game in Fraher...the centre of the universe

thesultan · 13-02-2019 09:17PM

Is there a way to find a data of senior ,intermediate and junior county finals in waterford? Scores,venues etc..?

thesultan · 13-02-2019 09:17PM

Is there a way to find a data of senior ,intermediate and junior county finals in waterford? Scores,venues etc..?

thesultan · 13-02-2019 09:18PM

Is there a way to find a data of senior ,intermediate and junior county finals in waterford? Scores,venues etc..?

puzl · 14-02-2019 10:13AM

I find if you keep asking the same question repeatedly you eventually get the answer

http://www.waterfordgaa.ie/upcomingFixtures

PTH2009 · 14-02-2019 05:48PM

Guess team will be announced tonight if it's a Sat game ???

Hoping to see Aussie play some part in the game. Colm Roache played for ucc during the week.

thesultan · 14-02-2019 07:06PM

My request was for over the years.

PTH2009 · 14-02-2019 07:18PM

thesultan wrote: »

My request was for over the years.

Wikipedia would have the finals anyway

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterford_Senior_Hurling_Championship

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterford_Intermediate_Hurling_Championship

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterford_Junior_Hurling_Championship

IanVW · 14-02-2019 10:04PM

The Waterford Senior Hurling Team to face Carlow this Saturday night in Fraher Field at 7pm has been announced...

Billy Nolan (Roanmore)
Shane McNulty (De la Salle)
Conor Prunty (Abbeyside)
Noel Connors (Passage)
Jordan Henley (Tallow)
Michael Walsh (Stradbally)
Austin Gleeson (Mount Sion)
Jamie Barron (Fourmilewater)
Colin Dunford (Colligan)
Jack Prendergast (Lismore)
Mikey Kearney (Ballyduff Upper)
DJ Foran (Portlaw)
Thomas Ryan (Tallow)
Stephen Bennett (Ballysaggart)
Shane Bennett (Ballysaggart)

PTH2009 · 14-02-2019 11:52PM

IanVW wrote: »

The Waterford Senior Hurling Team to face Carlow this Saturday night in Fraher Field at 7pm has been announced...

Billy Nolan (Roanmore)
Shane McNulty (De la Salle)
Conor Prunty (Abbeyside)
Noel Connors (Passage)
Jordan Henley (Tallow)
Michael Walsh (Stradbally)
Austin Gleeson (Mount Sion)
Jamie Barron (Fourmilewater)
Colin Dunford (Colligan)
Jack Prendergast (Lismore)
Mikey Kearney (Ballyduff Upper)
DJ Foran (Portlaw)
Thomas Ryan (Tallow)
Stephen Bennett (Ballysaggart)
Shane Bennett (Ballysaggart)

Strong team which should be getting over the line

Giveitfong · 15-02-2019 01:45AM

There are likely to be just two Waterford hurlers starting in next week’s Fitzgibbon Cup final following this week’s semi-finals. Colm Roche (Shamrocks) has been a regular starter for UCC and was listed at left corner forward in the starting line-up for their fortuitous win over DCU, thanks to a last-minute converted penalty. Dara Lynch (Passage) came on as a late sub, as he has done in the most recent games having been a regular starter in the earlier games in the competition.

The UCC/DCU result might have been different were it not for the absence of the Curran brothers (Dungarvan) from the DCU line-up. Both were substituted in DCU’s quarter-final win over WIT and this is presumed to have been due to injury, as neither was listed among the DCU substitutes for the semi-final. Patrick’s absence from the Waterford team for the game against Carlow on Saturday night is a further indication that he is injured. His absence, having just recently returned from injury, was a big blow to DCU.

Lismore’s David Prendergast was in the MIC team which won the other semi-final against against NUIG. Prendergast has been a regular at fullback for this very talented team, but was listed at right corner back for the semi-final.

The presence of several Waterford players who operate in the full back line for frontline Fitzgibbon Cup sides (David Prendergast for MIC, John Curran for DCU and Colligan’s Ross Brown for IT Carlow) brings up the continuing lack of cover in this line in the Waterford senior hurling panel (a deficiency which blew up in Derek McGrath’s face last year). It would appear that Shane Fives, Conor Prunty (despite his placing at wing back for the Offaly game) and Noel Connors are the first choice full back line, with Shane McNulty filling in for Fives who was injured against Offaly. While a skillful hurler, I would not regard McNulty as up to intercounty championship hurling in the full back line.

It may be that Darragh Lyons, when he recovers from injury, will also be looked at to provide corner back cover, although his credentials in this position remain to be proven. Conor Gleeson and Kieran Bennett might also be able to do a job here, but really we should be looking to specialist corner backs to perform this function. Apart from Prendergast, John Curran (who impressed for the Waterford Under 21s against Cork last year) and Ross Brown (an ever-present for IT Carlow for the last four years), other possibilities include Shane Roche (Shamrocks) and Willie Hahessy (Clonea). Roche (Colm’s brother) was ever-present in the UCC full back line for three years and spent a period on the Waterford panel before dropping out, reportedly due to getting no game time under Derek McGrath. Hahessay was on the 2013 Minor and 2016 Under 21 All-Ireland winning teams, and had an excellent game in the Under 21 All-Ireland final. He was also a key figure in Clonea’s march to Intermediate honours last year. I am not the only person who is mystified by the fact that he has never been involved in the senior panel.

Another possibility is Ballygunner’s Ian Kenny, who was very impressive in their game against Ballyhale last Saturday. He was on the senior panel but dropped out at the end of last year (possibly again because of lack of game time, even during Waterford’s defensive crisis following the injuries in the Clare game).

We have identified six good-quality specialist full back line operators here. Surely at least one of these is worthy of a place on the county senior hurling panel.

mountgomery burns · 15-02-2019 08:58AM

Ian Kenny started against Cork last year, he didn't drop off the panel.

Fellas get an opportunity to impress and have to take it. If they do they'll be picked, Conor Gleeson and Kieran Bennett perfect examples of that.

The jury is out on Darragh Lyons, yet fellas who have no doubt been looked at and not considered good enough have to be included? Delusional

Young players I can understand, but just because a lad is playing Fitzgibbon does not mean he is good enough for inter county. The younger players mentioned will get a chance if theyyre good enough, the other just are not.

KevIRL · 15-02-2019 11:16AM

I thought Darragh Lyons was v good v Clare in the Munster league game in Jan, one of the players to catch the eye that day in fact

DiscoStew · 15-02-2019 02:46PM

KevIRL wrote: »

I thought Darragh Lyons was v good v Clare in the Munster league game in Jan, one of the players to catch the eye that day in fact

He was indeed, one of the few bright lights in a very poor first half performance that day.
Full back line will be chosen from Connors, Prunty, Fives and Gleeson I think with the last 2 fighting for the same spot currently due to fitness issues. A lot can change in the space of a few months however.
I wouldn’t have any worries on putting a fit Darragh Lyons in there come championship if we have injuries again. The games against Dublin and Galway will give a clearer indication as to McNulty’s championship credentials. He’s done all that has been asked of him so far. It’s a pity Lyons got injured as this would have been a perfect year to give him greater game time in the league. Kieran Bennett is out injured for a couple of months with a musclar injury.
David Prendergast was in for early seasons trials / challenges last season and didn’t make the grade, Ross Brown has been there for the same over a few years without making it. I don’t think turning back to Shane Roche is going to serve much purpose at this stage.

whiteandblue · 15-02-2019 03:26PM

DiscoStew wrote: »

He was indeed, one of the few bright lights in a very poor first half performance that day.
Full back line will be chosen from Connors, Prunty, Fives and Gleeson I think with the last 2 fighting for the same spot currently due to fitness issues. A lot can change in the space of a few months however.
I wouldn’t have any worries on putting a fit Darragh Lyons in there come championship if we have injuries again. The games against Dublin and Galway will give a clearer indication as to McNulty’s championship credentials. He’s done all that has been asked of him so far. It’s a pity Lyons got injured as this would have been a perfect year to give him greater game time in the league. Kieran Bennett is out injured for a couple of months with a musclar injury.
David Prendergast was in for early seasons trials / challenges last season and didn’t make the grade, Ross Brown has been there for the same over a few years without making it. I don’t think turning back to Shane Roche is going to serve much purpose at this stage.

I'd agree as I don't feel any of the options for corner-back mentioned in previous posts would be a better alternative to Ian Kenny who was dropped despite excellent displays for Ballygunner in 2018 and not looking out of place when called upon for Waterford. As a full-back for Lismore, I thought David Prendergast was excellent in 2017 but didn't impress as much much in the club championship last year, I look forward to watching him in the Fitz final on the likes of Kingston (Cork), Kehoe (Tipp) or Shane Conway (Kerry) who are all at intercounty standard.

You are looking at Noel Connors being a guaranteed starter at corner-back and I believe Conor Gleeson if fit and match fit also being guaranteed to start, although he may be deployed as a half-back depending on his man marking role. Gleeson is an option at full-back as we seen at under 21 level but I think his speed and ability to mark the opposition's most dangerous forwards as we've seen with players such as Lehane, John McGrath and Conor McDonald in 2017 makes him a starter on a specific opposition player and if this player moves to full-forward, it's not a big issue as he has played at full-back before.

That leaves our options at full-back currently on the panel as 1.Kieran Bennett who played there when Coughlan was out last year and underage but is out injured at the moment 2.Conor Prunty who has played most of his hurling in the half-back line but is a definite option and in my opinion has all the attributes to be an excellent intercounty full-back if he remains injury free and was very good against Clare in Fraher and a poor Offaly side 3.Shane McNulty, who as a natural hurler is probably more suited to the wing or corner as he isn't the biggest man but has done OK to date against poor opposition it must be said but deserves to be seen against Dublin/Galway 4.Shane Fives has specialised at corner-back and is an All-Star nominee and has been very good for Waterford over the years and I question why he has never been tried at full-back more regularly as there was no tried and tested alternative for Coughlan when he got injured or lost form or got cleaned out which happened on occasions. Fives has size and speed so has attributes that could make him suitable as full-back. Darragh Lyons is not an option for me as he lacks the height and strength to play there but could be used in the corner or on the wing.

There are options but it's a toss up to know who will be there come Munster championship, I'd probably just give the nod to Prunty at the moment.
Off the top of my head , I can't think of any other panel members who could be played at full-back without being moved from their best position (ie Tadhg de Burca).

If we can sort our full-back line, I genuinely believe we have a half-back line and midfield to match any team in the country. In the forwards, we have loads of options but we need to get the balance right and again, ahead of the Munster championship, I don't think there are any nailed down starters other than Padraic Mahony and a fit Stephen Bennett

KevIRL · 15-02-2019 03:43PM

One thing for sure is it's great to see such competition for places throughout the squad

enoughtaken · 15-02-2019 06:47PM

Taken from Liz Reddy Twitter
The redevelopment of Walsh Park by @WaterfordGAA is to go ahead after An Bord Pleanála gave the project the go ahead. A number of elements will have to be put in place before construction can begin.The 15,500 capacity stadium, will cost up to 7 million euro.

PTH2009 · 15-02-2019 07:21PM

https://youtu.be/nccbg1Xz2P8

PTH2009 · 15-02-2019 07:43PM

enoughtaken wrote: »

Taken from Liz Reddy Twitter
The redevelopment of Walsh Park by @WaterfordGAA is to go ahead after An Bord Pleanála gave the project the go ahead. A number of elements will have to be put in place before construction can begin.The 15,500 capacity stadium, will cost up to 7 million euro.

Where does this leave our 2019 home games then ???

Is the current championship system not finishing in 2020 and a new one may be introduced for 2021 ???. So by the time the new stadium is built we might not even need it as all games could be in neutral venues again ??

Mulbert · 15-02-2019 08:08PM

Giveitfong wrote: »

We have identified six good-quality specialist full back line operators here. Surely at least one of these is worthy of a place on the county senior hurling panel.

Excellent post, but you, not we, have identified six specialist full back line operators. Unless this whole post is part of a discussion and not entirely your own opinion.

mickmackmcgoo · 15-02-2019 08:53PM

Damien Tiernan tweeting Waterford playing both Munster matches at home this year with capacity at 11,000 and work commencing on ground straight after

Tunc Nagiloc · 16-02-2019 08:10AM

Giveitfong wrote: »

There are likely to be just two Waterford hurlers starting in next week’s Fitzgibbon Cup final following this week’s semi-finals. Colm Roche (Shamrocks) has been a regular starter for UCC and was listed at left corner forward in the starting line-up for their fortuitous win over DCU, thanks to a last-minute converted penalty. Dara Lynch (Passage) came on as a late sub, as he has done in the most recent games having been a regular starter in the earlier games in the competition.

The UCC/DCU result might have been different were it not for the absence of the Curran brothers (Dungarvan) from the DCU line-up. Both were substituted in DCU’s quarter-final win over WIT and this is presumed to have been due to injury, as neither was listed among the DCU substitutes for the semi-final. Patrick’s absence from the Waterford team for the game against Carlow on Saturday night is a further indication that he is injured. His absence, having just recently returned from injury, was a big blow to DCU.

Lismore’s David Prendergast was in the MIC team which won the other semi-final against against NUIG. Prendergast has been a regular at fullback for this very talented team, but was listed at right corner back for the semi-final.

The presence of several Waterford players who operate in the full back line for frontline Fitzgibbon Cup sides (David Prendergast for MIC, John Curran for DCU and Colligan’s Ross Brown for IT Carlow) brings up the continuing lack of cover in this line in the Waterford senior hurling panel (a deficiency which blew up in Derek McGrath’s face last year). It would appear that Shane Fives, Conor Prunty (despite his placing at wing back for the Offaly game) and Noel Connors are the first choice full back line, with Shane McNulty filling in for Fives who was injured against Offaly. While a skillful hurler, I would not regard McNulty as up to intercounty championship hurling in the full back line.

It may be that Darragh Lyons, when he recovers from injury, will also be looked at to provide corner back cover, although his credentials in this position remain to be proven. Conor Gleeson and Kieran Bennett might also be able to do a job here, but really we should be looking to specialist corner backs to perform this function. Apart from Prendergast, John Curran (who impressed for the Waterford Under 21s against Cork last year) and Ross Brown (an ever-present for IT Carlow for the last four years), other possibilities include Shane Roche (Shamrocks) and Willie Hahessy (Clonea). Roche (Colm’s brother) was ever-present in the UCC full back line for three years and spent a period on the Waterford panel before dropping out, reportedly due to getting no game time under Derek McGrath. Hahessay was on the 2013 Minor and 2016 Under 21 All-Ireland winning teams, and had an excellent game in the Under 21 All-Ireland final. He was also a key figure in Clonea’s march to Intermediate honours last year. I am not the only person who is mystified by the fact that he has never been involved in the senior panel.

Another possibility is Ballygunner’s Ian Kenny, who was very impressive in their game against Ballyhale last Saturday. He was on the senior panel but dropped out at the end of last year (possibly again because of lack of game time, even during Waterford’s defensive crisis following the injuries in the Clare game).

We have identified six good-quality specialist full back line operators here. Surely at least one of these is worthy of a place on the county senior hurling panel.

“Specialist” full backs. Prendergast maybe but the rest are all corner backs or half backs!
Prunty a work in progress but if not him SFives or CGleeson

KevIRL · 16-02-2019 03:31PM

When did we last play Carlow in a competitive match?

BloodyBill · 16-02-2019 04:29PM

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Damien Tiernan tweeting Waterford playing both Munster matches at home this year with capacity at 11,000 and work commencing on ground straight after

That would be some fillip for Waterford. To play two games at home would be fantastic. The capacity of 15,500 for the new Walsh Park is terribly inadequate. Disappointing.

PTH2009 · 16-02-2019 07:16PM

Horrible weather up here
FloodLights still not turned on

KevIRL · 16-02-2019 07:21PM

Yep, absolutely rotten night for hurling

tommylad1212 · 16-02-2019 07:36PM

KevIRL wrote: »

When did we last play Carlow in a competitive match?

24 years ago

PTH2009 · 16-02-2019 08:38PM

Carlow up for this and putting in a great effort. Very bad conditions with our performance being average at best

PTH2009 · 16-02-2019 09:44PM

Better 2nd half and nice too see some new players get a run out like Harney, Callum Lyons and Shane Ryan.

Serious stuff starts now with Dublin/ Galway and QF in the coming weeks

Qf
Away if were playing Tipp, Kilkenny, Limerick

Coin toss for home advantage if were playing Wexford, Clare or Cork

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