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Tommy Robinson jailed

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  • #2552
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    So what you are saying is he is guilty of grooming a child?


    I'm in no position to pronounce the guilt or otherwise of anybody. I'm not a court of law. I am just recounting what happened publicly.


  • #2553
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,018 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mutant z wrote: »
    Not all but a huge chunk certainly are but if they ever actually stopped and listened to his arguments instead of calling him every insult under the sun they may find he has a point about islam and what it entails but somehow speaking about it makes him the most hateful person on the planet i just don't get it.

    I've listened to him. I've watched his videos which I'm willing to bet is more than you've done for anyone to the left of Trump.

    His arguments are crap. He's a bigoted neanderthal making bank from the American right and people who are somehow less evolved than himself.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #2554
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I'm in no position to pronounce the guilt or otherwise of anybody. I'm not a court of law. I am just recounting what happened publicly.

    What happend publicly? Grooming was it?


  • #2555
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    What happend publicly? Grooming was it?


    you've seen what happened publicly. make up your own mind.


  • #2556
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ohnonotgmail wrote:
    So you are ok with grooming 15 year olds then?

    ohnonotgmail wrote:
    how would you describe what he did?

    ohnonotgmail wrote:
    I'm in no position to pronounce the guilt or otherwise of anybody. I'm not a court of law. I am just recounting what happened publicly.

    No. Absolutely no inference at all...


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  • #2557
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you've seen what happened publicly. make up your own mind.

    You were the one that mentioned grooming, so I'll ask again who has been grooming?

    Do you not know what grooming means? I don't think you do.


  • #2558
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    You were the one that mentioned grooming, so I'll ask again who has been grooming?

    Do you not know what grooming means? I don't think you do.


    how else would you describe a 36 year old man trying to chat up an underage girl online? I'm struggling to think of a better term.


  • #2559
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    how else would you describe a 36 year old man trying to chat up an underage girl online? I'm struggling to think of a better term.

    So you don't know what the word grooming means, glad we've established that.


  • #2560
    Mutant z
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I've listened to him. I've watched his videos which I'm willing to bet is more than you've done for anyone to the left of Trump.

    His arguments are crap. He's a bigoted neanderthal making bank from the American right and people who are somehow less evolved than himself.

    That's your opinion which i don't share however and I've seen the arguments from many sides which Tommy comes off quite reasonable in relation to quite a few others ive seen yes he may not be perfect but who the hell is and he cut ties with the EDL years ago so i don't see why that keeps being brought up, i don't see many others lining up to speak up about what's been going on do you.


  • #2561
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,018 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mutant z wrote: »
    That's your opinion which i don't share however and I've seen the arguments from many sides which Tommy comes off quite reasonable in relation to quite a few others ive seen yes he may not be perfect but who the he'll is and he cut ties with the EDL years ago so i don't see why that keeps being brought up, i don't see many others lining up to speak up about what's been going on do you.

    I see plenty. Conservatives have been bashing Muslims for years. You either have somehow missed this or are just pretending not to know.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • #2562
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    So you don't know what the word grooming means, glad we've established that.


    we have established nothing, you have just stated something as FACT.


  • #2563
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    we have established nothing, you have just stated something as FACT.

    You are making a false accusation of grooming.

    Grooming: the action by a paedophile of preparing a child for a meeting, especially via an Internet chat room, with the intention of committing a sexual offence.


  • #2564
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    You are making a false accusation of grooming.

    Grooming: the action by a paedophile of preparing a child for a meeting, especially via an Internet chat room, with the intention of committing a sexual offence.

    Child grooming is befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a child, and sometimes the family, to lower the child's inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse


    telling a girl she is "fit" is befriending and establishing an emotional connection is it not?


  • #2565
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    telling a girl she is "fit" is befriending and establishing an emotional connection is it not?

    So you know what his intentions were now also do you?

    Listen I know you hate him, that's fine. But drop the grooming accusation because that's not what that was and well you know it.


  • #2566
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    So you know what his intentions were now also do you?

    Listen I know you hate him, that's fine. But drop the grooming accusation because that's not what that was and well you know it.


    so you think you know his intentions then?


  • #2567
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    so you think you know his intentions then?

    I know the man isn't a paedophile. So do you.


  • #2568
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    I know the man isn't a paedophile. So do you.


    based on what, exactly?


  • #2569
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    based on what, exactly?

    Ok, you got me, I have no proof that TR isn't a paedophile.

    I also have no proof you aren't one either.

    Do you think Tommy commited a crime here? I'll assume you do seeing as you accused him of grooming.


  • #2570
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    Ok, you got me, I have no proof that TR isn't a paedophile.

    I also have no proof you aren't one either.

    Do you think Tommy commited a crime here? I'll assume you do seeing as you accused him of grooming.


    It certainly looks suspicious for a man who has associated with a number of convicted sex offenders.


  • #2571
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    It certainly looks suspicious for a man who has associated with a number of convicted sex offenders.

    So what is you're opinion because earlier you seemed to have him guilty. Do you think Tommy Robinson is a paedophile?


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  • #2572
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    telling a girl she is "fit" is befriending and establishing an emotional connection is it not?

    No. It isn't.


  • #2573
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No. It isn't.


    really? so what is the purpose of it then? You've never told a girl she was attractive with the intention of forming an emotional connection?


  • #2574
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    really? so what is the purpose of it then? You've never told a girl she was attractive with the intention of forming an emotional connection?

    But is that what happened in this case?


  • #2575
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ohnonotgmail wrote:
    really? so what is the purpose of it then? You've never told a girl she was attractive with the intention of forming an emotional connection?

    I have. I have also told a girl she was attractive without the intention to form an emotional connection.

    Jesus wept.


  • #2576
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    But is that what happened in this case?


    I think so. why else did he say it?


  • #2577
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have. I have also told a girl she was attractive without the intention to form an emotional connection.

    Jesus wept.


    So you agree it can be said with the intention of forming an emotional connection.


  • #2578
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I think so. why else did he say it?

    Oh you think so. So you "think" something and it is enough to accuse someone.


  • #2579
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    Oh you think so. So you "think" something and it is enough to accuse someone.


    I am giving my opinion. Is that not what a discussion forum is for? Am i not allowed have an opinion?


  • #2580
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I am giving my opinion. Is that not what a discussion forum is for? Am i not allowed have an opinion?

    No you accused someone of grooming, that's not what a discussion forum is for. Why don't you contact Bedfordshire if you think a crime has been committed.


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  • #2581
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,048 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    No you accused someone of grooming, that's not what a discussion forum is for. Why don't you contact Bedfordshire if you think a crime has been committed.


    no, i have said his behaviour fits that description. If the uk police want to investigate that is up to them. I'm sure they would take a complaint from a foreign jurisdiction seriously.


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