Tommy Robinson jailed

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Sorry i stopped reading after I seen Sinn Fein and nationalist in the same sentence.

Why? Why don't you think Sinn Fein are nationalists?

GinAndBitter

super_furry wrote: »

Why? Why don't you think Sinn Fein are nationalists?

I see no evidence of it. Why do you think they are?

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I see no evidence of it. Why do you think they are?

I didn't state that they are, I asked you the question. Why did you stop reading after you saw "Sinn Fein and nationalist in the same sentence"?

GinAndBitter

Cienciano wrote: »

It's scary to see people take Tommy Robinson's word for it when he hasn't released the video. Your evidence is a producer "seemed worried". Christ.

What's ever scarier is the millions that will take BBC'S panorama as fact.

GinAndBitter

super_furry wrote: »

I didn't state that they are, I asked you the question. Why did you stop reading after you saw "Sinn Fein and nationalist in the same sentence"?

Because I have seen no evidence of Sinn Fein nationalism certainly not in this century anyway. Do you think Sinn Fein are nationalists?

kowloon

How would you define Nationalist?

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Because I have seen no evidence of Sinn Fein nationalism certainly not in this century anyway. Do you think Sinn Fein are nationalists?

They're a party that from every part of their core, are working towards a united Ireland, that's textbook Irish nationalism.

What's your definition of nationalism?

Cienciano

GinAndBitter wrote: »

What's ever scarier is the millions that will take BBC'S panorama as fact.

So what you're saying is believe nothing? Where have I heard that before:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/opinion/russias-ideology-there-is-no-truth.html

Tell me, what news sources, alternative or mainstream, blogger or youtuber is trustworthy? Can we trust Tommy Robinson?

GinAndBitter

Cienciano wrote: »

So what you're saying is believe nothing? Where have I heard that before:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/opinion/russias-ideology-there-is-no-truth.html

Tell me, what news sources, alternative or mainstream, blogger or youtuber is trustworthy? Can we trust Tommy Robinson?

I trust him about as much as I trust the BBC.

Billy86

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Cienciano wrote: »

So what you're saying is believe nothing? Where have I heard that before:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/opinion/russias-ideology-there-is-no-truth.html

Tell me, what news sources, alternative or mainstream, blogger or youtuber is trustworthy? Can we trust Tommy Robinson?

I trust him about as much as I trust the BBC.

So you don't trust him? Or you do trust the BBC? Your eagerness to not answer nor explain anything is getting kind of confusing to be honest.

Andrew00

Here’s to you tommy robsinon
Ireland loves u more than u will know
Woaaaah

super_furry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

I think this explains it well.

Do you have any opinions or thoughts of your own? All you're offering here are YouTube videos and links to overwrought Wikipedia articles.

What does nationalism mean to you?

FTA69

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8410133/tommy-robinson-drugs-racist-slur-rant/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1550051302

Here’s Tommy in Italy looking for coke and calling taxi drivers “little Pakis”.

Lol, “when have I ever said anything that’s racist?” indeed.

Grayson

FTA69 wrote: »

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8410133/tommy-robinson-drugs-racist-slur-rant/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1550051302

Here’s Tommy in Italy looking for coke and calling taxi drivers “little Pakis”.

Lol, “when have I ever said anything that’s racist?” indeed.

Classy guy Tommy/Stephen.

Definitely not racist at all. :rolleyes:

mcmoustache

His followers will still pretend that he's not racist and that everyone talks like that. They'll even present proof in the form of pictures taken with a brown person. I'm not sure if people like this are trolling or are truly that thick when they claim that convicted fraudster Tommy isn't a racist.

Timberrrrrrrr

FTA69 wrote: »

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8410133/tommy-robinson-drugs-racist-slur-rant/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1550051302

Here’s Tommy in Italy looking for coke and calling taxi drivers “little Pakis”.

Lol, “when have I ever said anything that’s racist?” indeed.

I wonder if this poster still thinks Yaxley-Lennon isn't a racist?

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I admire his nationalism, as a nationalist myself. I don't believe that he is a racist. He has black friends, Muslim friends. His local football club Luton Town which he is a huge followers have a very multicultural fan base as the town itself is very multicultural. All the right wing football clubs in London loved an away day in Luton as it was a chance to fight the immigrants supporters and Luton hooligan firm (which is also extremely diverse).

I try put myself in his position and question how i would react. I certainly would not want my home town to be populated with the amount of Muslims that are in Luton and I would do my best to stop it. I don't wanna walk down the street and see nothing but Muslims and that's what it's like in parts of Luton. I certainly wouldn't want that here.

I'm not saying I take his word as a journalist as gospel, as much as i wouldn't take Sky News/BBC as gospel.

Auguste Comte

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I wonder if this poster still thinks Yaxley-Lennon isn't a racist?

Ah would you give the lad a break, he didn't mean it, it was the drugs talking. 😳

ancapailldorcha

mcmoustache wrote: »

His followers will still pretend that he's not racist and that everyone talks like that. They'll even present proof in the form of pictures taken with a brown person. I'm not sure if people like this are trolling or are truly that thick when they claim that convicted fraudster Tommy isn't a racist.

I don't think it bothers them. They're just trying to circumvent accusations of racism as it gives people a legitimate excuse to ignore the fake news and conspiracies people like Yaxley-Lennon spread.

GinAndBitter

He used a racist slur, it doesn't necessarily mean he is racist.

Ultimate Seduction

Racist or not doesn't make the message he's trying to spread un-true. Not a fan of tommy at all but I see what hes saying hes on about grooming gangs for years no one would listen.

Auguste Comte

GinAndBitter wrote: »

He used a racist slur, it doesn't necessarily mean he is racist.

It's a dam fine indication.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

GinAndBitter wrote: »

He used a racist slur, it doesn't necessarily mean he is racist.

If it was a one-off, maybe. But there's a pattern developing.

For someone trying to pass himself off as a genuinely concerned level-headed and non-racist citizen, he has this unbelievable talent for openly coming out with racist remarks on a consistent basis. To film himself proudly blasting racial slurs and then post it on the internet is bringing said talent to staggering new heights.

He's the kind of guy who could shoot himself in the foot from three hundred meters away.

El_Duderino 09

Being racist isn’t a point against TR in his fan’s eyes. It’s part of his appeal. They might start off saying he’s not racist but that’s only to appease people who think racism is a bad thing.

Debating whether TR is racist should be a fairly short discussion. The interesting question to ask his followers is what difference it would make if he is racist. Would they change their opinion of him or stop following him. I suspect not but open to correction from any of his supporters.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Being racist isn’t a point against TR in his fan’s eyes. It’s part of his appeal. They might start off saying he’s not racist but that’s only to appease people who think racism is a bad thing.

Debating whether TR is racist should be a fairly short discussion. The interesting question to ask his followers is what difference it would make if he is racist. Would they change their opinion of him or stop following him. I suspect not but open to correction from any of his supporters.

I don't think I would be classed as a 'fan' but I honestly do not think Tommy Robinson is a racist.

El_Duderino 09

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think I would be classed as a 'fan' but I honestly do not think Tommy Robinson is a racist.

Ok. And what would change if you found out he probably is racist?

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. And what would change if you found out he probably is racist?

I would obviously have a negative opinion of him.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

I would obviously have a negative opinion of him.

So you dont think he is a racist, he just happens to say racist things.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

So you dont think he is a racist, he just happens to say racist things.

In assuming you are referring to the recent Sun article.

I have said racist things, homophobic things and incredibly crude gallows humour to people in the past.

I wouldn't consider myself racist because I made jokes or said to things to my friends.

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

In assuming you are referring to the recent Sun article.

I have said racist things, homophobic things and incredibly crude gallows humour to people in the past.

I wouldn't consider myself racist because I made jokes or said to things to my friends.

So you dont consider yourself racist but you do say racist things. Makes sense.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote:

So you dont consider yourself racist but you do say racist things. Makes sense.

Yes. Yes it does.

I admit I have said tasteless things and will probably continue to do so in suitable company.

I've made Jimmy saville jokes too but I don't consider myself a paedophile apologist.

Mind blowing isn't it?