Becky Lynch Megathread - Rumors, opinions etc. (spoilers for most recent shows)

Monokne · 13-02-2019 12:00am

sirmanga wrote: »

Oh I'm sure she'll be an emotional wreck if she wins. What a feat for a Dublin lass.
But we won't be watching Rebecca Quin win the belt, it's Becky Lynch. The Man. 2019's Steve Austin. Stone Cold didn't cry after winning the belt, he just went to each corner and said fcuk yeah.

Everyone is doing the breaking down crying thing now. Heel and face. It worked for someone like HBK because his storyline was the boyhood dream etc. But when I saw super heel Kevin Owens break down and cry after winning the Universal Title (with outside interference no less) I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.
Yes, Kevin Steen had achieved something that he never thought would, but that's for him to reflect on in the back.

The whole crying thing might be a Triple H directive. He knows the smart fans will love it.

"Show them how much this means to you. Don't be a afraid to well up.... then I'll take a picture with you when you come through the curtain and post it to Instagram..."

This is one of the more curious sentiments I've ever seen from a wrestling fan.

If wrestling were real, as we are supposed to think when watching it, then winning a championship - in the main event of Wrestlemania - would be the pinnacle of anyone's career, a sure fire reason to get emotional.

You see competitors in UFC cry after big wins all the time, regardless of whether they're heels like Jones or McGregor or babyfaces like Cormier. Emotional responses to big wins in pro wrestling is sorely missing.

Why you'd would want to eliminate the emotional peak from the story is a mystery to me.

sirmanga · 13-02-2019 7:44am

Monokne wrote: »

This is one of the more curious sentiments I've ever seen from a wrestling fan.

If wrestling were real, as we are supposed to think when watching it, then winning a championship - in the main event of Wrestlemania - would be the pinnacle of anyone's career, a sure fire reason to get emotional.

You see competitors in UFC cry after big wins all the time, regardless of whether they're heels like Jones or McGregor or babyfaces like Cormier. Emotional responses to big wins in pro wrestling is sorely missing.

Why you'd would want to eliminate the emotional peak from the story is a mystery to me.

Because wrestling isn't a sport. The reactions from the wrestlers are supposed to be, and should be, scripted. It's more comparable with a film or TV show than sport.

I don't get how you think emotional reactions are sorely missed. It's always happening now. It's an embarrassment. Imagine at the end of the Deadly Games tournament if Rock started weeping.

We all know it's scripted, so everyone should act like a professional.

The crying thing is up there with WWE calling Nak the king of strong style. What? Strong style? That's a way of working a match. Why are they saying that on TV? If strong style is so good, why isn't every wrestler doing it then, in the context of the fictional show? It just makes no sense. It's like watching a Daniel Day Lewis movie and someone in the film refers to Day Lewis' character as the king of method.

The crying after winning a belt is just as ridiculous. It's like everyone wants to have "a real moment" now. It's cringe worthy. As Stu Hart would have said, "show some discipline."

Monokne · 13-02-2019 10:58am

sirmanga wrote: »

Because wrestling isn't a sport. The reactions from the wrestlers are supposed to be, and should be, scripted. It's more comparable with a film or TV show than sport.

This makes absolutely no sense.

Within the body of the show, it is a sport. What you're saying is analogous to me saying "Rocky shouldn't get emotional at the end of Rocky 2 when he wins the world title because it's scripted". It's not supposed to be scripted to Rocky. It's also not scripted to Becky Lynch.

sirmanga · 13-02-2019 11:04am

Monokne wrote: »

This makes absolutely no sense.

Within the body of the show, it is a sport. What you're saying is analogous to me saying "Rocky shouldn't get emotional at the end of Rocky 2 when he wins the world title because it's scripted". It's not supposed to be scripted to Rocky. It's also not scripted to Becky Lynch.

Exactly my point, thank you. Rocky cries because it fits his character. Clubber Lang didn't cry when he won. And Becky shouldn't cry because she's supposed to be a hard nut. Kevin Owen's shouldn't cry because he's a villain. Nobody should cry unless the storyline warrants it. Like a long emotional build up, such as HBK at Mania 12. Becky doesn't have that, she is now positioned as the anti authority arse kicker.
Also, when they cry, it is the real person crying, not the character. That's what makes it so stupid.

J. Marston · 13-02-2019 11:13am

Comparing her to Stone Cold is always gonna make her look bad. I don't get why it's a thing, from both sides.

He's the greatest anti-authority figure ever and one of the best characters ever, Becky is just another one of the dozens since him who has gone against the Authority and is doing a good job. Using Stone Cold as the yardstick these days is silly.

Monokne · 13-02-2019 11:18am

sirmanga wrote: »

And Becky shouldn't cry because she's supposed to be a hard nut.
Also, when they cry, it is the real person crying, not the character. That's what makes it so stupid.

Ah, I was unaware her character now has only one dimension. Perhaps there should be a PSA revealing this information. My impression was that she was still a multi faceted human being because that seemed to be more realistic and well rounded.

As for your last point, Jesus dude, I don't know if I am more taken by your arrogance to make that assumption, or if we were to assume it was well founded, your cold heartedness at being bothered by it. Did someone tell you it wasn't ok to cry?

Personally of the mindset that real emotion is the cornerstone of every truly great moment in this industry and I am not afraid of ,or uncomfortable with people expressing it, whether that be through tears or whatever other method.

sirmanga · 13-02-2019 11:58am

Monokne wrote: »

Ah, I was unaware her character now has only one dimension. Perhaps there should be a PSA revealing this information. My impression was that she was still a multi faceted human being because that seemed to be more realistic and well rounded.

Yes, because wrestling is known for its nuances.

connemara man · 13-02-2019 1:35pm

I would love Becky to have seats in the crowd for the next couple of weeks watching as a spectator. Feet up on the barricades relaxing

ERG89 · 13-02-2019 7:27pm

Who are all these people that cried?
I care a lot less about WWE nowdays but can't recall many who produced the waterworks.
The "you deserve it" thing bothered me but it quickly died out, thankfully.

J. Marston · 13-02-2019 8:21pm

RopeDrink wrote: »

I'm not a wrestler, but I don't need to be one to know that if Vince pulled me aside and told me I was getting the belt tonight, after months or years of career build from the mids to an upper card (you'd be lucky to even get that far), then I'm not just going to poker-face the audience after the 1-2-3 and all the adrenaline of a match going through me, or ignore any thoughts of 'making it', or just the fact that it's likely I get to keep my job longer. You have no idea what can go through your head when you achieve something, even if that something is invariably in-ring fake - there is still meaning to it that the wrestler(s) themselves will feel more than Joe Soap viewer who is expecting it all to be a work.

The Jack Swagger. Wins the World title and acts like he just beat some local wrestler on Velocity.

God he was awful.

SureYWouldntYa · 13-02-2019 8:32pm

J. Marston wrote: »

The Jack Swagger. Wins the World title and acts like he just beat some local wrestler on Velocity.

God he was awful.

I get what he was going for but it came out horridly, it should have been a sort of smug look of "of course I'm the champ I'm the best"

I do love Regals celebration when he wins the IC title if we're talking "real" celebrations where people don't cry

Necro · 13-02-2019 11:13pm

Meh, Brock looks pretty full of emotion here:

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(First title VS The Rock)

And.... here as well...

I mean he isn't crying but he sure ain't no robot...

ERG89 · 17-02-2019 3:30pm

Most pointless suspension ever continues. Fully expect another appearance tonight :rolleyes:

J. Marston · 17-02-2019 3:53pm

Charlotte said she was going to be sitting front row tonight for the Ronda/Ruby match. I thought it would've been cool to have Becky do the same, as a "fan", directly across from Charlotte, staring her out of it.

Instead it looks like we're going back to the injury angle and hop-along Becky.

The White Wolf · 17-02-2019 6:00pm

J. Marston wrote: »

Charlotte said she was going to be sitting front row tonight for the Ronda/Ruby match. I thought it would've been cool to have Becky do the same, as a "fan", directly across from Charlotte, staring her out of it.

Instead it looks like we're going back to the injury angle and hop-along Becky.

I hope in the scenario you've outlined that Ruby gets rewarded eventually for being an after thought when she's been a stand out performer since she debuted.

sirmanga · 18-02-2019 8:43am

The angle with Becky attacking Rousey with the crutches last night makes Becky look like an asshole. It was a standard heel move. She's not a very likable character at the moment. She was the same on Raw last week, she just comes across as a spoiled brat instead of a tough girl.

Necro · 18-02-2019 9:28am

sirmanga wrote: »

The angle with Becky attacking Rousey with the crutches last night makes Becky look like an asshole. It was a standard heel move. She's not a very likable character at the moment. She was the same on Raw last week, she just comes across as a spoiled brat instead of a tough girl.

Really? I don't think it came across that way? It was someone frustrated at having their opportunity robbed from them taking out said frustrations on the two people who are in the match that she should be in.

Seems a legit reason to me.

Rock Lesnar · 18-02-2019 9:31am

Necro wrote: »

Really? I don't think it came across that way? It was someone frustrated at having their opportunity robbed from them taking out said frustrations on the two people who are in the match that she should be in.

Seems a legit reason to me.

I get your point, but its not their fault, its Vinces fault, Ronda is the champ, so shes already in the match, and charlotte was picked by Vince, she could'nt turn the opportunity down, could be said, shes taking her frustration out on the wrong people

Necro · 18-02-2019 9:40am

Rock Lesnar wrote: »

I get your point, but its not their fault, its Vinces fault, Ronda is the champ, so shes already in the match, and charlotte was picked by Vince, she could'nt turn the opportunity down, could be said, shes taking her frustration out on the wrong people

Perhaps, I don't think it makes her look like an asshole as above though. Charlotte lording it up getting the shot instead of the actual Rumble winner and boasting about it nullifies any sympathy one would have for her.

As for Rousey, it'd be weird if she was left standing there awkwardly while Becky beats up Charlotte.

Case of damned if you, damned if you don't imo.

sirmanga · 18-02-2019 9:58am

Necro wrote: »

Really? I don't think it came across that way? It was someone frustrated at having their opportunity robbed from them taking out said frustrations on the two people who are in the match that she should be in.

Seems a legit reason to me.

I get that Becky is frustrated and was taking out her anger etc. But why the crutches? If she just came in and beat down Rousey it would be a more acceptable action for a babyface. After all, Rousey isn't a heel. What has she done to deserve being beaten down with a crutch by another face, apart from being the champion?

Whatever about beating up Charlotte, but Becky basically swerved turned on Rousey. If it was my first time watching WWE in ages I would have thought that it was a very good heel turn.

WWE are over complicating a storyline which should be straightforward; Becky wants to win the title at Mania. But now we've got doctors, McMahons, crutches, heelish beat downs, another woman involved in the match essentially making Rousey a third wheel in a match where she's the defending champion, like The Rock at Summerslam 2000. Well, at least until last night, now Rousey has a reason to be involved in the story seen as she was beat up with a crutch for no reason by a fellow babyface.

Necro · 18-02-2019 10:05am

sirmanga wrote: »

WWE are over complicating a storyline which should be straightforward; Becky wants to win the title at Mania. But now we've got doctors, McMahons, crutches, heelish beat downs, another woman involved in the match essentially making Rosuey a third wheel in a match where she's the defending champion, like The Rock at Summerslam 2000. Well, at least until last night, now Rousey has a reason to be involved in the story seen as she was beat up with a crutch for no reason by a fellow babyface.

In that case it worked then

I think half the problem is that they want to try and portray Becky as this 'Stone Cold-lite' type antihero and it just doesn't work. It can't be replicated, no matter how hard they try. The whole Authority involvement has just been pants anyways and stinks of the McMahons having to get their greasy paws on anything remotely popular as usual.

sirmanga · 18-02-2019 10:11am

Necro wrote: »

In that case it worked then

I think half the problem is that they want to try and portray Becky as this 'Stone Cold-lite' type antihero and it just doesn't work. It can't be replicated, no matter how hard they try. The whole Authority involvement has just been pants anyways and stinks of the McMahons having to get their greasy paws on anything remotely popular as usual.

Well if Becky is supposed to be a heel now then it was brilliant heel turn, no doubt. But it wasn't a heel turn. I don't even know what it was. Why is Becky back on crutches? I know they did an angle at a house show to re injure her knee. It now looks like they got her on crutches simply so she could beat down Rousey and Charlotte with crutches at the PPV.

Becky should have been left off TV until the Ric Flair birthday bash in a few weeks. WWE must think fans have short memories, "we must keep Becky on TV in case they forget about her" or some such nonsense.

It's like when they did the Punk leaving with the belt angle, which should have run for the summer, but then brought him back after 8 days.

dusty bin · 18-02-2019 11:06am

I disagree. The crowd were 100% behind becky, even cheering her name before the actual riot/rousey match started. How anyone would think that was a heel turn is beyond me.

Herself and Ronda have been feuding since the night of evolution. Charlotte, as mentioned by someone else earlier, is lording it up over becky, the royal rumble winner. Becky appears to me to be portraying a tweener character, someone who beats up the bad guys and good guys. She's 'suspended' until after wrestlemania and is going out of her way to extract revenge on everyone who is involved.

Unless someone had the mute button on and couldnt hear the crowds reaction, then I dont know how they could see that as a heel turn.

J. Marston · 18-02-2019 11:25am

People are looking for too much nuance in WWE storylines, in my opinion.

Ronda cost Becky her title and she wants to prove she's better and then Charlotte stole her spot, that's all the reason I need for her to want to beat the bejesus out of them.

dusty bin · 18-02-2019 12:09pm

not sure if this was posted elsewhere, but the journal had a piece on Becky last night.

https://www.the42.ie/beck-lynch-interview-4491978-Feb2019/

Lord TSC · 18-02-2019 12:14pm

Last night was a page right out of the "Stone Cold" handbook. The "bad-ass" face has been screwed, and so is going to raise hell until she's inserted back into the match. The crowd seemed to adore it too.

sirmanga · 18-02-2019 12:55pm

J. Marston wrote: »

People are looking for too much nuance in WWE storylines, in my opinion.

Ronda cost Becky her title and she wants to prove she's better and then Charlotte stole her spot, that's all the reason I need for her to want to beat the bejesus out of them.

Yeah, exactly. I don't want any nuance in the story. But WWE are complicating it. Attacking somebody with a crutch isn't being a badass. It doesn't matter if the crowd cheered. It weakens Becky as a character. She apologised last week, now she attacks a babyface with a crutch. The fans might still be cheering, but WWE have a way of slowly eroding performers until the fans have no reason left to cheer.

sirmanga · 18-02-2019 1:07pm

Lord TSC wrote: »

Last night was a page right out of the "Stone Cold" handbook. The "bad-ass" face has been screwed, and so is going to raise hell until she's inserted back into the match. The crowd seemed to adore it too.

Nah, Stone Cold wouldn't have done that. He would have doled out stunners left and right, to babyfaces and heels, but he wouldn't have used a weapon to viciously beat down another face.

And the fact that the crowd cheered doesn't matter. Everyone used to mark out over Charlotte and Sasha, huge pops, but over time, through terrible booking and force feeding, the audience got fed up. If WWE keep this up with Becky she will just be another character on the show in a few months.

sirmanga · 18-02-2019 1:27pm

Also, I have a very strong feeling that Rousey will win the 3 way match at Mania. Why? Because everyone is expecting Rousey to go away for a while after Mania, same situation as Brock a couple of times. Vince will think it's too obvious for her to lose, he'll think Rousey has lost some heat and is looking weak in the build up to Mania, so he'll have Rousey tap out Charlotte. Everyone will be shocked. And Rousey will stay around for another month and have a singles match with Becky.

Might sound stupid but we've seen it many times. Things that make no sense. The day after Mania we'll see reports about Vince chaging his mind to have Rousey go over just hours before the match.

Just look at past Manias to see how they've done things that made the preceding storylines worthless.

dusty bin · 18-02-2019 1:57pm

sirmanga wrote: »

Also, I have a very strong feeling that Rousey will win the 3 way match at Mania. Why? Because everyone is expecting Rousey to go away for a while after Mania, same situation as Brock a couple of times. Vince will think it's too obvious for her to lose, he'll think Rousey has lost some heat and is looking weak in the build up to Mania, so he'll have Rousey tap out Charlotte. Everyone will be shocked. And Rousey will stay around for another month and have a singles match with Becky.

Might sound stupid but we've seen it many times. Things that make no sense. The day after Mania we'll see reports about Vince chaging his mind to have Rousey go over just hours before the match.

Just look at past Manias to see how they've done things that made the preceding storylines worthless.

Not this year. Either Charlotte taps or eats the pin or Ronda does, but there is no way they are going to send the crowd home unhappy, especially if its in fact the main event. Since daniel bryan won at wm30, they have done what they want every year since and have being booed because of it, bar seths run-in. If they are going to listen to the fans and have the first ever womens main event at wm, then there is only one winner. And she isnt american.

J. Marston · 18-02-2019 2:35pm

dusty bin wrote: »

Not this year. Either Charlotte taps or eats the pin or Ronda does, but there is no way they are going to send the crowd home unhappy, especially if its in fact the main event. Since daniel bryan won at wm30, they have done what they want every year since and have being booed because of it, bar seths run-in. If they are going to listen to the fans and have the first ever womens main event at wm, then there is only one winner. And she isnt american.

I disagree. Just because they've gone against the fan's wishes at recent Manias doesn't mean they'll change now.

And from a booking view; Becky has had Charlotte's number throughout the feud since last year, beating her clean twice. Can't see her doing it three times in a row. Also, Ronda Rousey is not tapping out to a pro wrestler's version of the armbar. Plus imagine the pull someone like Ric has!

With Vince in her corner, I imagine they'll try some cheap version of WM17's ending where Charlotte beats Becky's legs with a chair a dozen times before making her tap.

But I am a pessimist.

dusty bin · 18-02-2019 3:22pm

J. Marston wrote: »

I disagree. Just because they've gone against the fan's wishes at recent Manias doesn't mean they'll change now.

And from a booking view; Becky has had Charlotte's number throughout the feud since last year, beating her clean twice. Can't see her doing it three times in a row. Also, Ronda Rousey is not tapping out to a pro wrestler's version of the armbar. Plus imagine the pull someone like Ric has!

With Vince in her corner, I imagine they'll try some cheap version of WM17's ending where Charlotte beats Becky's legs with a chair a dozen times before making her tap.

But I am a pessimist.

I understand where you're coming from, its the wwe after all, but there has been the odd mania every 5-10 years that has the fans ending they wanted. Think of WM 30 and WM 20, two years where there was a triple threat in the main event. To me Charlotte is the Triple H and Randy Orton of this years event with Ronda playing the shawn michaels and batista roles. On both those occasions, the fans wanted one winner and boo'd the hell out of the likes of michaels and batista against the wishes of the wwe. This year Becky is the Daniel Bryan and Cough Cough of the previous years. After last years stinker of a main event, coming off the two years previously when Reigns was booed for winning, I do not see them ending on a bad note for a fourth year in a row.

If its not the main event, then Becky loses, but if it is, then i only see Becky winning. I do realise she has had Charlottes number since summerslam and Ms. Flair should be due a win against her, but I dont see it at wm. I would usually be a pessimist too, just not this year.

DM_7 · 18-02-2019 3:34pm

Rousey is Becky's rival. One who appeared to accept the change of match. Becky beats them both with a crutch so they both want her off suspension and in the match.

It is not about face or heel, fans got behind her while she was acting for herself, that should not change just because fans start to cheer.

sirmanga · 18-02-2019 3:59pm

With WWE it's a case of past performance being the best indicator for future results.

They have years of form now for for letting the fans down.

sirmanga · 18-02-2019 4:53pm

If WWE really want get Becky over as true rebel they should have her rush the ring wearing her wrestling gear at the next Saudi show. And then have her be arrested by royal guards.

It might not get over on the night, but it would give the crowd a bit of a breather before the Bret Hart, Stone Cold and Hulk Hogan vs Vince McMahon, Ted DiBiase and Shawn Michaels six man tag main event that the Saudi Prince ordered.

Pentecost · 18-02-2019 7:10pm

sirmanga wrote: »

If WWE really want get Becky over as true rebel they should have her rush the ring wearing her wrestling gear at the next Saudi show. And then have her be arrested by royal guards.

It might not get over on the night, but it would give the crowd a bit of a breather before the Bret Hart, Stone Cold and Hulk Hogan vs Vince McMahon, Ted DiBiase and Shawn Michaels six man tag main event that the Saudi Prince ordered.

There’s not a chance of them potentially jeopardizing the Saudi money like that. And they wouldn’t allow it if they were asked.

sirmanga · 18-02-2019 7:37pm

Pentecost wrote: »

There’s not a chance of them potentially jeopardizing the Saudi money like that. And they wouldn’t allow it if they were asked.

That was a joke.
Although, it would be far more entertaining than what they're doing with Becky now.

JP Liz V1 · 25-03-2019 11:58pm

Well The Man is main eventing WM

JP Liz V1 · 09-06-2019 6:35pm

No rematch for the SD title? Also is her twitter war with Edge and Beth leading to a match?

gerrybbadd · 10-06-2019 12:38pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

No rematch for the SD title? Also is her twitter war with Edge and Beth leading to a match?

It's coming off a little badly. Edge, one of the great minds on the mic, is destroying her on there

sky88 · 10-06-2019 12:42pm

gerrybbadd wrote: »

It's coming off a little badly. Edge, one of the great minds on the mic, is destroying her on there

get the feeling its beth/becky way of tryig to force wwe to give them a match but do agree edge is destroying her

Officer999 · 10-06-2019 12:45pm

sky88 wrote: »

get the feeling its beth/becky way of tryig to force wwe to give them a match but do agree edge is destroying her

Surprised she mentioned Lita

J. Marston · 10-06-2019 12:50pm

Becky got one or two good digs in this time. Their last back and forth a while back was much more one-sided. Think I said it in another thread but I wish promos between wrestlers on the actual shows could sound as spiteful as they Becky/Edge do on Twitter.

TimesArrow · 10-06-2019 3:32pm

must say i have no interest in becky anymore. she peaked with that moment she got her face busted by Nia. the build up to the WM match was mediocre at best and everything following has been pretty poor. they've killed The Man thing, the promos are cringe and it isnt working on twitter anymore. I suspect they'll try introduce some story involving Seth along the way. It was great when she was a total bad ass, but now she's a generic baby face in my opinion. For all the comparisons with Austin, he never really played up to the fans in promos, most of the time he came in, said whatever he liked did a few stunners, raised some hell and everyone loved it. i dont know how they can capture the magic of becky again.

if done properly, a long slow build to a one on one WM36 match with rhonda/becky could be excellent. slowly introduce baezler and those other two, have becky form uneasy alliance with charlotte, bayley etc.. have ronda cost becky a huge match..

lawlolawl · 10-06-2019 3:43pm

Yeah, they really made a hames of it.

She was on a tear for a few weeks before WM but has completely cooled off over the past few months because of the insistence on 50/50 booking in every WWE feud.

The White Wolf · 10-06-2019 4:43pm

Sometimes 50/50 can be good but when the rare ones like Becky come along then they really need to pick a player.

It's startling given the amount of one sided feuds they gave to Bliss much to the detriment of other women on the roster.

JP Liz V1 · 17-05-2020 11:05pm

Do we think she will return to WWE after having the baby (which I hope all goes well for her and Seth)

Was she in talks for a big Marvel or DC movie also?

Itssoeasy · 17-05-2020 11:15pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Do we think she will return to WWE after having the baby (which I hope all goes well for her and Seth)

Was she in talks for a big Marvel or DC movie also?

Personally I do see her back in WWE after the baby is born. I'm sure she may try movies but as she has said herself when she retired after her injury initially she spent years doing everything to fill the wrestling void and eventually she came back. I could see a Mikie James type second run in WWE. I use mikie James because her partner is a wrestler so it's the nearest comparison I can see.

Just wondering out loud but I assume this thread which I'm the OP on was something split off from a discussion in another thread. I don't recall ever starting this thread.

J. Marston · 17-05-2020 11:50pm

No-one stays away forever, she'll be back. It's just a matter of when and if it's part-time/full-time.

Itssoeasy · 17-05-2020 11:54pm

J. Marston wrote: »

No-one stays away forever, she'll be back. It's just a matter of when and if it's part-time/full-time.

No stays away ? Macho man says hello. If the documentaries are to be believed vince loves her so yeah the door will always be open to her.

Becky Lynch Megathread - Rumors, opinions etc. (spoilers for most recent shows)

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