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Minister for Health Simon Harris and family trapped in home by protesters.

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    #392
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    Ush1 wrote: »
    So you're just throwing stones from the ditch? If you think you have the answers, why not run for government?
    That's ridiculously reductive - if you were to take it to its natural conclusion, nobody should criticise a Government Minister if they don't themselves run for office.

    I wouldn't be interested in politics because I'd be no good at it. I already have a job that I do very well, but I'd be a really bad politician. I wish some of current political leaders, when considering running for office, had been more honest, or modest, about their own strengths and weaknesses, because there's quite a diversity between genuine talent and utter incompetence among them


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    #393
    Fiftyfilthy
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    But would you be oblivious to people protesting outside?



    I wouldn’t care as he has more protection and priority over the average person

    Simple phone call and the riff raff are removed in mins

    If I had a similar problem , probably wouldn’t even bother their ****ing arses coming over


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    #394
    Ush1
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    That's ridiculously reductive - if you were to take it to its natural conclusion, nobody should criticise a Government Minister if they don't themselves run for office.

    I wouldn't be interested in politics because I'd be no good at it. I already have a job that I do very well, but I'd be a really bad politician. I wish some of current political leaders, when considering running for office, had been more honest, or modest, about their own strengths and weaknesses, because there's quite a diversity between genuine talent and utter incompetence among them

    You can criticise but you need to offer solutions yourself. Otherwise it's just a whinge. You can seek answers as to why things are being done in this way.

    As I said, I don't agree with some of Fine Gaels policies but I can understand why they think it makes sense.


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    #395
    Boggles
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    They’re pretty straightforward questions???

    Well no. They are leading questions.

    Whatever way I answer you will come back with nonsensical pontifications which will have no relevance to me.

    But let me help you, lets play make believe. If the dozen protesters showed up at my door with their signs I would be perturbed of course I would. What I have done to deserve this?

    If I was a career politician fooking up my brief and telling lies about it, I'd be expecting them TBF.


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    #396
    Floppybits
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    gmisk wrote: »
    https://www.facebook.com/FINGALBATTALION
    Come on now..... :rolleyes:

    I don't even think you honestly believe that.
    If you do you might consider joining the irish wing of info wars.

    When it comes to FG I wouldn't rule anything out with them, In this case no I don't believe it was a FG setup, it if was, would I be shocked? The answer to that would be No.

    Remember Regina Doherty and her comments on the LMFM radio station with Gerry Adams and the backlash against that and suddenly poor Regina was sprinting to Ashbourne Garda Station because she got an anonymous death threat. Nothing was ever heard of that again and made her the victim rather than being vilified for her comments on the radio show.

    https://danieldcollins.wordpress.com/2016/02/25/suspicion-hangs-over-veracity-of-regina-dohertys-death-threat-allegation/


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    #397
    seamus
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    The one thing I find most frustrating about the health whingers, is that they seem to have the childish opinion that at one point health was good, and it's the current minister who's made a balls of it.

    Name me a single minister for health in the last 20 years who can be said to have done a good job.

    Not one. The problem isn't the ministers, the problem is the service. There are too many chiefs and not enough indians. Everyone knows it. But when you try to fix it, everyone blocks you - including the indians.

    The health service needs a reformer who's not afraid to bulldoze those who oppose them. But that reformer needs the hard support of the government.

    There is no party in the Dáil with the balls to take on health, no matter how much noise they make about it from the opposition benches.


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    #398
    GAA Beo
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    I see the latest Fine Gael recruit Rose of Tralee Maria Walsh is retweeting Ocasio Cortez and numerous socialists on twitter. Oh dear, it seems this latest Yank import has no clue what she signed up for. She is getting hammered everywhere online for joining Fine Gael. Don't think the wealthy have any idea how hated Fine Gael are by many. But then they are detached from normal people. They don't like to mix with the common folk.


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    Boggles wrote: »
    Well no. They are leading questions.

    Whatever way I answer you will come back with nonsensical pontifications which will have no relevance to me.

    But let me help you, lets play make believe. If the dozen protesters showed up at my door with their signs I would be perturbed of course I would. What I have done to deserve this?

    If I was a career politician fooking up my brief and telling lies about it, I'd be expecting them TBF.

    And what about the mother? Do you think it is quite possible that she would have been worried about what was happening outside. She gave birth 3 weeks previously, her husband has the anger of many sections of society directed at him, then protesters show up. She doesn’t know their motives and they (the protesters) do not know how she has been since giving birth. I’d be anxious if I were her.

    Was any of the failings of this government and previous governments the fault of this new mother?


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    GAA Beo wrote: »
    Maybe she shouldn't have married such a lowlife. Do you have sympathy for the wifes of drug dealers? I seriously doubt it. She made her bed. Anyway, all this 3 month old stuff, how are the protestors supposed to know the age of his child. It was a peaceful protest. If you can't take the heat, if he had any self respect he would resign in disgrace.

    I don’t think you realise how stupid your posts are.


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    #401
    mzungu
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I'm not referring to the cervical smear issue, I'm talking about spending priorities within the Department of Health and the HSE - things like recruiting admin staff at a faster rate than front line staff, or the runaway budget for the National Children's Hospital. Given limited resources, such funding reduces patient interaction with professionals, either through lower staff numbers, or weaker availability of physical resources like medicines.

    Nobody seriously thinks every life can be saved or prolonged. But politics is an economic game of allocating priorities, and many important hralthcare priorities will now be absorbed into a hole in the ground in Dublin 8, due to weak leadership and ineptitude. This was admitted by Simon Harris in a letter to the Minister For Public Expenditure last year, the contents of which is published in today's Irish Times. He said, the overspend "leaves little or no scope to undertake essential investment in diagnostic and medical, to commence the planning and design of future projects including bed capacity".

    This idiocy is going to cost some people their health and shorten their lives. It was avoidable. I have nothing against Simon Harris personally, but I think he's an inept Minister who cannot be trusted with the Health budget.

    He's human, he messed up. The new hospital was off to a bad start from the get-go given it's location. The problem existed before he even took (or was landed with) the portfolio. I would be interested in what party, or what politician in the Leinster House would have done much better?

    You put responsibility for shortening lives on the government, but does the fact that the population now has more GP cards (thus more easily available healthcare) not factor into it too? No matter who is in charge of health, the money will get allocated different ways and it won't be to everybody's liking.

    I would have issues with FG and the shambles surrounding the hospital, but the attempts to make them out to be some kind of malevolent force to justify the intrusion into his private life are beyond the pale.


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    #402
    Wheeliebin30
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    GAA Beo wrote: »
    Maybe she shouldn't have married such a lowlife. Do you have sympathy for the wifes of drug dealers? I seriously doubt it. She made her bed. Anyway, all this 3 month old stuff, how are the protestors supposed to know the age of his child. It was a peaceful protest. If you can't take the heat, if he had any self respect he would resign in disgrace.

    I noticed your unemployed at the present.

    Happy enough to suck the tit of the tax payers.

    Why don’t you direct all this rage into trying to find a job and help make a difference by contributing to society instead of ranting behind a keyboard.


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    #403
    GAA Beo
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    Life is so hard for the millionaire Harris family in their mansion in leafy Greystones, how ever will they cope with the commoners outside their door. Spare me, I have sympathy for the hundreds of thousands struggling in this country. Many on the streets last night that the Fine Gaelers consider "bums".


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    #404
    gmisk
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    GAA Beo wrote: »
    Maybe she shouldn't have married such a lowlife. Do you have sympathy for the wifes of drug dealers? I seriously doubt it. She made her bed. Anyway, all this 3 month old stuff, how are the protestors supposed to know the age of his child. It was a peaceful protest. If you can't take the heat, if he had any self respect he would resign in disgrace.
    I honestly have no idea where to start with this rubbish.
    A lowlife? you are comparing Simon Harris to a drug dealer?!


    The baby is also 3 weeks old not 3 months. That isnt really the point most sane people agree protesting at a persons home in this instance was out of order, and it really does no one any favours. The fact that the INMO have totally disowned this groups actions speaks volumes.


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    #405
    GAA Beo
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    I noticed your unemployed at the present.

    Happy enough to suck the tit of the tax payers.

    Why don’t you direct all this rage into trying to find a job and help make a difference by contributing to society instead of ranting behind a keyboard.
    Haha now we have it. Let it all out blueshirt, those bastards on the dole, disability, allowance, nurses, homeless, all wasting your precious taxes. Doesn't take long for the bile to come out from your ilk, you can't keep it hidden for long. Kick any homeless on the way to work this morning?


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    #406
    AbdulAbhaile
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    gmisk wrote: »
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    https://www.facebook.com/FINGALBATTALION
    Come on now..... :rolleyes:
    I wonder which one is the Garda, Garda informer. They always seem to be able to get one into these groups. I hope they get what they deserve.


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    #407
    Boggles
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    And what about the mother? Do you think it is quite possible that she would have been worried about what was happening outside. She gave birth 3 weeks previously, her husband has the anger of many sections of society directed at him, then protesters show up. She doesn’t know their motives and they (the protesters) do not know how she has been since giving birth. I’d be anxious if I were her.

    Was any of the failings of this government and previous governments the fault of this new mother?

    Don't forget the dog, apparently he barked. I have no idea how she reacted, she could have reacted like there was zombies at the door trying to get in and eat her baby, I have no idea, I wasn't there, I don't know her.

    I will say, if Simon had been assaulted by the half dozen pensioners and their carers and had to spend 2 days on a trolley in an unsafe A&E.

    I wouldn't wish that on anyone.


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    #408
    Wheeliebin30
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    GAA Beo wrote: »
    Haha now we have it. Let it all out blueshirt, those bastards on the dole, disability, allowance, nurses, homeless, all wasting your precious taxes. Doesn't take long for the bile to come out from your ilk, you can't keep it hidden for long. Kick any homeless on the way to work this morning?

    Seriously your embarrassing yourself.

    As I said you have no problem collecting money from the state contributed by people who might be FG voters.

    You are offering nothing to society at present.

    Just calling people low life’s, scumbags or whatever else you feel hard saying behind a keyboard.


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    #409
    gmisk
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    AbdulAbhaile wrote: »
    I wonder which one is the Garda, Garda informer. They always seem to be able to get one into these groups. I hope they get what they deserve.
    I think you might have watched the departed too many times.


    You hope who gets what they deserve? The "garda" or the group? and what do they deserve exactly?


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    #410
    Wheeliebin30
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    GAA Beo wrote: »
    The Fine Gael mindset in 2 lines. **** the poor, I'm alright Jack. Scum.

    Hit a nerve did I?

    Get off your lazy hole and do something meaningful.


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    #411
    Floppybits
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    GAA Beo wrote: »
    Haha now we have it. Let it all out blueshirt, those bastards on the dole, disability, allowance, nurses, homeless, all wasting your precious taxes. Doesn't take long for the bile to come out from your ilk, you can't keep it hidden for long. Kick any homeless on the way to work this morning?

    The homeless are being given tri-colour sleeping bags now, it will make it easier for the FG'ers to identify them to kick now. :)


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    #412
    FutureGuy
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    GAA Beo wrote: »
    Life is so hard for the millionaire Harris family in their mansion in leafy Greystones, how ever will they cope with the commoners outside their door. Spare me, I have sympathy for the hundreds of thousands struggling in this country. Many on the streets last night that the Fine Gaelers consider "bums".

    And it's all his fault? Because he busted a gut to get where he is in life? Because he inherited a ****ing disaster of a healthcare system.

    Maybe some of the hundreds and thousands didn't bother to work hard, educate themselves and get on with life. Stuck in dead-end jobs or unemployed because that is exactly where they deserve to be for the effort they put in.

    But no. Blame Simon. Because that's easy.


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    #413
    Ush1
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    Mansion?? Looks like a modest semi-d to me.


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    #414
    gmisk
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    GAA Beo wrote: »
    Life is so hard for the millionaire Harris family in their mansion in leafy Greystones, how ever will they cope with the commoners outside their door. Spare me, I have sympathy for the hundreds of thousands struggling in this country. Many on the streets last night that the Fine Gaelers consider "bums".
    Have you looked at the pictures, in what world is that a mansion?
    It looks like a nice semi detached house.
    He works and bought a house along with his wife who btw is a cardiac nurse.


    IMO he should probably step aside from the role, he is clearly struggling and the finances have been a disaster from the point of view of the national childrens hospital.
    But I think people should be able to separate the personal from the professional, also that isnt what this thread is meant to be about.


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    #415
    GAA Beo
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

    Get off your lazy hole and do something meaningful.


    I rarely see the above on the Fine Gael manifesto come election time. What a shame, that sort of mindset took over.

    You must have a very sad existence if people on social welfare and disability upset you so much. I often see you post similar. All I'll say buy some empathy, you never know what will come to your family. I hope you won't have to deal with what I have in my life.

    And you can't be the most productive worker in the world if you are spending your Monday morning trolling those on social welfare, homeless and nurses anonymously online. All a bit childish and pathetic.


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    #416
    optogirl
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    I don't agree with protesting outside somebody's private home but 'trapped'? Hardly


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    gmisk
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    optogirl wrote: »
    I don't agree with protesting outside somebody's private home but 'trapped'? Hardly
    Would you feel safe leaving your home if you were put in the same situation?


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    #418
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    optogirl wrote: »
    I don't agree with protesting outside somebody's private home but 'trapped'? Hardly

    I am surprised they didn't go with "Held Hostage".


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    #419
    FutureGuy
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    optogirl wrote: »
    I don't agree with protesting outside somebody's private home but 'trapped'? Hardly

    Cop on. If the child needed to be brought to the doctor, you can't leave the house. Simple as that. All it takes is for someone to throw something.

    Their actions was scumbaggery of the highest order as far as I'm concerned.


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    AbdulAbhaile
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    gmisk wrote: »
    AbdulAbhaile wrote: »
    I wonder which one is the Garda, Garda informer. They always seem to be able to get one into these groups. I hope they get what they deserve.
    I think you might have watched the departed too many times.


    You hope who gets what they deserve? The "garda" or the group? and what do they deserve exactly?
    I was being faciousous, and I hope this group of unrepresentative thugs get what they deserve.

    I'm all in favour of protest, its one of the few ways between elections that citizens can display disapproval but bringing it to someone's home is crossing a line IMHO.

    At best it hands Harris/fg the moral high ground at worst it terrorised a new mother.


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    #421
    animaal
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    seamus wrote: »
    The health service needs a reformer who's not afraid to bulldoze those who oppose them. But that reformer needs the hard support of the government.

    There is no party in the Dáil with the balls to take on health, no matter how much noise they make about it from the opposition benches.

    Seamus, I disagree with you on many things, but I agree with what you've said there. After FF wrecked the country, FG had the perfect opportunity (under the Troika) to force through change. Kenny did the absolutely minimum to restore the status quo. Better than what the previous crowd did, but a huge wasted opportunity to fix so many areas that are broken.

    Simon Harris has little responsibility for all that.


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