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Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

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    #3812
    feckthisgenie
    Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭feckthisgenie


    jimbobaloobob wrote: »
    Is it a pay increase or is it pay restoration?

    The latter / pay parity it's an increase on current pay whatever why you look at it


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    #3813
    hawkelady
    Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    David73 wrote: »
    Let them strike, hopefully the Governemnt will show they actually have some balls.

    They are being paid enough, the Gov should just say they will focus on stream lining the HSE to make it more efficient. This won't be achieved by an undeserved pay increase

    You should know by now that the government will do what gets them the most votes ! Nothing to do with balls


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    #3814
    greasepalm
    Registered Users Posts: 5,257 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    Pay the nurses and reduce wages of the government


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    #3815
    David73
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 162 ✭✭David73


    greasepalm wrote: »
    Pay the nurses and reduce wages of the government

    Over my dead body!


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    #3816
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,517 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    David73 wrote: »
    Over my dead body!

    Well hopefully not. There might be a nurse nearby to revive you.
    A TD wont be much use to you if you are ill.


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    #3817
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,886 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Are the ambulance paramedic personnel paid similar?

    Just wondered. At least nurses are indoors and warm.


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    #3818
    alloywheel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭alloywheel


    thomasdylan wrote: »
    On the subject of sick leave there's a report published every year that breaks absences down by location and job. The highest absence rates are always in management and admin (who would generally have the least patient contact) and there are always crazy rates of absences of ambulance support staff.

    So why is there such high absenteeism rates among the HSE, if it cannot be blamed to not wanting to catch or pass on flues, colds, etc

    Why is absenteeism in our HSE much higher than in the NHS?
    It would not be because the slightest ache or pain or hangover and they are off?

    It is not unknown for there to be 100,000 sick days taken in one month in the HSE! No wonder the service is so bad.


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    #3819
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,388 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    greasepalm wrote: »
    Pay the nurses and reduce wages of the government

    You do realise the savings would be minuscule? Supposing politicians were paid zero it would be a drop in the ocean vs 40,000 plus nurses alone?
    This is the kind of populist claptrap that’s rampant in Ireland. Rather than collective personal responsibility for the out of control public expenditure, politicians are scapegoats for both 1. not spending enough and also 2. blamed for cuts when we inevitably spend too much. High time people grew the fcuk up and realise fiscal responsibility is a national one, not just a stick to beat politicians with. It’s really infantile stuff


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    #3820
    David73
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 162 ✭✭David73


    road_high wrote: »
    You do realise the savings would be minuscule? Supposing politicians were paid zero it would be a drop in the ocean vs 40,000 plus nurses alone?
    This is the kind of populist claptrap that’s rampant in Ireland. Rather than collective personal responsibility for the out of control public expenditure, politicians are scapegoats for both 1. not spending enough and also 2. blamed for cuts when we inevitably spend too much. High time people grew the fcuk up and realise fiscal responsibility is a national one, not just a stick to beat politicians with. It’s really infantile stuff

    Good point.

    However the TD's and nurses are paid enough already.
    The Doctors and Primary Teachers should be given a pay increase instead.


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    #3821
    noodler
    Registered Users Posts: 26,229 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    road_high wrote: »
    You do realise the savings would be minuscule? Supposing politicians were paid zero it would be a drop in the ocean vs 40,000 plus nurses alone?
    This is the kind of populist claptrap that’s rampant in Ireland. Rather than collective personal responsibility for the out of control public expenditure, politicians are scapegoats for both 1. not spending enough and also 2. blamed for cuts when we inevitably spend too much. High time people grew the fcuk up and realise fiscal responsibility is a national one, not just a stick to beat politicians with. It’s really infantile stuff

    Very true, gov are lambasted for a 2k pay restoration given to all who had cuts over 65k and are lambasted. Money is about 300k or 120k after tax.

    Whereas it costs roughly 150m each time the government adds a fiver to the State Pension (or roughly the same unemployment payments).

    People really have no clue alot of the time.


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    #3822
    thomasdylan
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    alloywheel wrote: »
    So why is there such high absenteeism rates among the HSE, if it cannot be blamed to not wanting to catch or pass on flues, colds, etc

    Why is absenteeism in our HSE much higher than in the NHS?
    It would not be because the slightest ache or pain or hangover and they are off?

    It is not unknown for there to be 100,000 sick days taken in one month in the HSE! No wonder the service is so bad.


    I'm not sure the reasons for the absenteeism. There's disproportionate levels of absenteeism in some areas of the HSE. Looking at the report I put up, in Limerick there's an absence rate of 25% in client care, 15% in management and admin, 12% in nursing, 0.9% in doctors and 3.9% in other health professionals. It's crazy stuff.


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    #3823
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Well hopefully not. There might be a nurse nearby to revive you.
    A TD wont be much use to you if you are ill.

    Have they a cure for cancer and the fountain of youth in their back pockets?


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    #3824
    Dakotabigone
    Site Banned Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Dakotabigone


    Make cuts to the rock and roll society. Tighten up on giving out free houses to single mothers that have live in partner on big wages.


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    #3825
    jimbobaloobob
    Registered Users Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭jimbobaloobob


    David73 wrote: »
    Good point.

    However the TD's and nurses are paid enough already.
    The Doctors and Primary Teachers should be given a pay increase instead.


    Not saying i disagree with you on this point, but what reason should the nurses overlooked right now and doctors and teachers rewarded? or are your comments just to wind someone up?


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    #3826
    feckthisgenie
    Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭feckthisgenie


    jimbobaloobob wrote: »
    Not saying i disagree with you on this point, but what reason should the nurses overlooked right now and doctors and teachers rewarded? or are your comments just to wind someone up?

    He's a clown and WUM
    Wouldn't entertainment the halfwit


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    #3827
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,095 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    greasepalm wrote: »
    Pay the nurses and reduce wages of the government

    There are 15 people in the Govt.

    Any pay cut won't save much.


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    #3828
    Cbumkin
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭Cbumkin


    TheRiverman wrote: »
    39 hr week,an extra 12 hr shift has to be worked to make up the hours.They are paid monthly and I think that runs to six weeks over Christmas/ start of New Year.

    Every nurse I know is paid fortnightly. Perhaps at the higher echelons (assistant director of nursing level and higher......of which there are too many imo ) they are paid monthly


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    #3829
    Cbumkin
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭Cbumkin


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Any nurse that has only their diploma is already down on the pay scale due to limited promotions.

    Many that want to keep getting promoted and also do more specialised nursing like ANP. Would have gotten their degree on their own time whilst still working. And then on to getting their masters.

    Every nurse who qualified post 2002 has at least a degree. To get a promotion nowadays you would need to have at least a post grad. To reach ANP level/ nurse tutor/ any administrative management level, a Masters degree is required. Staff nurse pay is the same whether a person was appointed post 2002 with a degree or pre 2002 with a diploma but there aren't too many pre-2002 appointees who haven't gone on to do the degree.


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    #3830
    hawkelady
    Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    Cbumkin wrote: »
    Every nurse I know is paid fortnightly. Perhaps at the higher echelons (assistant director of nursing level and higher......of which there are too many imo ) they are paid monthly

    Wrong .... nurses are paid monthly ...
    why oh why do you spout nonsense ?


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    #3831
    hawkelady
    Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    Cbumkin wrote: »
    Every nurse who qualified post 2002 has at least a degree. To get a promotion nowadays you would need to have at least a post grad. To reach ANP level/ nurse tutor/ any administrative management level, a Masters degree is required. Staff nurse pay is the same whether a person was appointed post 2002 with a degree or pre 2002 with a diploma but there aren't too many pre-2002 appointees who haven't gone on to do the degree.

    Wrong ... a masters is not required for a nurse to achieve any managerial position ..
    Why oh why do you spout such nonsense?


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    #3832
    [Deleted User]
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    hawkelady wrote: »
    Wrong .... nurses are paid monthly ...
    why oh why do you spout nonsense ?
    That's odd. Doctors in the HSE are definitely paid fortnightly, I thought most front line public servants were.

    I wonder why nurses are paid monthly and doctors fortnightly?


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    #3833
    hawkelady
    Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    That's odd. Doctors in the HSE are definitely paid fortnightly, I thought most front line public servants were.

    I wonder why nurses are paid monthly and doctors fortnightly?


    Sorry, must be too early in the morning for me 🀨 .. not all nurses are paid monthly , some actually are paid fortnightly ..... I was just explaining to the other poster that not all nurses are paid fortnightly .
    A Monthly payment was tried to be introduced a few years back , some took it , some didn’t. It was meant to be across the board but never worked out. Apologies if my post came across as all nurses were paid monthly ... as I said , too early.


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    #3834
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    Talks adjourned this morn LC to issue recommendations today, funny feeling strike will be pulled.


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    #3835
    [Deleted User]
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    I reckon the approach here will be not to offer nurses a pay rise, but some kind of 'allowance', in an attempt to get other PS workers to desist from making an equivalent claim.


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    #3836
    feckthisgenie
    Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭feckthisgenie


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    That's odd. Doctors in the HSE are definitely paid fortnightly, I thought most front line public servants were.

    I wonder why nurses are paid monthly and doctors fortnightly?

    Paid monthly


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    #3837
    feckthisgenie
    Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭feckthisgenie


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I reckon the approach here will be not to offer nurses a pay rise, but some kind of 'allowance', in an attempt to get other PS workers to desist from making an equivalent claim.

    When you say allowance do you mean extra for weekends/ night duty? How will this work for nurses in day ward or outpatients who don't work unsociable hours, they won't benefit. For that reason I can't see the IMNO agreeing


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    #3838
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    maybe a protest outside paschal donoghue's gaf would get the ball rolling?


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    #3839
    [Deleted User]
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    feckthisgenie wrote: »
    When you say allowance do you mean extra for weekends/ night duty? How will this work for nurses in day ward or outpatients who don't work unsociable hours, they won't benefit. For that reason I can't see the IMNO agreeing
    I was thinking more along the lines of an allowance to recognise educational training, which was never formally recognised when nurses became obliged to complete a degree programme. Nurses could also be given an enhanced package if they complete postgraduate training.

    I'm sure some creative solution will be found.


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    #3840
    feckthisgenie
    Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭feckthisgenie


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I was thinking more along the lines of an allowance to recognise educational training, which was never formally recognised when nurses became obliged to complete a degree programme. Nurses could also be given an enhanced package if they complete postgraduate training.

    I'm sure some creative solution will be found.

    Cant see that happening. Sure pay is the same for physiotherapy, SALT, OT no matter if degree or masters. Did content or duration of course change from diploma to degree much for nursing I dont know.
    If that happened people with 4-5 years experience would be on more money then nurses with 17 or 18 years experience who would have far more clinical experience . That would make no sense whatsoever imo


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    #3841
    Cbumkin
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭Cbumkin


    hawkelady wrote: »
    Wrong .... nurses are paid monthly ...
    why oh why do you spout nonsense ?

    Ha ha ha!!!! I am a nurse !!!!! I get paid fortnightly!!!! Who is spouting the nonsense now?


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