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Landlord at house every week....

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭ct5amr2ig1nfhp


    Aside from the problem of him accessing the property whenever he feels like it, which is totally unacceptable, can you do the rest of us a favour and report him for not being registered as a landlord (if you are positive that he is not registered). Here is the link Registration Enforcement Referral Form What are the chances he is not declaring the income to revenue as well...? Anyway best of luck OP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    Aside from the problem of him accessing the property whenever he feels like it, which is totally unacceptable, can you do the rest of us a favour and report him for not being registered as a landlord (if you are positive that he is not registered). Here is the link Registration Enforcement Referral Form What are the chances he is not declaring the income to revenue as well...? Anyway best of luck OP

    My partner is worried that if we do that he will take retribution some way and I can understand her concerns. We have 2 dogs, in fairness he was good to let us rent with them, and we are happy to pay for any damage they might cause, but if we get into a dispute like that he could very easily enter the house and let them out to go missing or whatever. We dont need that in our lives.

    Last summer he was looking to sell the place and knew we'd be interested and came to us with a price. after some haggling (the price was more than we are comfortable paying) I offfered him his asking price and he changed his mind. Hes perfectly entitled to do that, but I made him aware of the stress and hurt it caused us to do that. After that, I demanded another fixed term contract (the previous one expired in july 2018) as i had no clue whether he would change his mind from one end of the week to the next, I told him I was not prepared to live with the uncertainty that a for sale sign could go up at any moment if he had another change of mind. He gave it, mostly because he knew we'd leave and he needs the money from the rent. It was signed in September for a year.
    It gave us a bit more security and time to find a place.
    At this stage I just want out, but it means buying in a very tough market which will take time, renting will be nigh on impossible with 2 dogs in this market, and we simply will not live without them, I'd sleep under a bridge with them rather than lose them.
    I'd be 90% positive he did not declare the rental income at least at the start, and that was some of the motivation for not registering with the prtb. He keeps saying lately that he has maintenance payments to make but half his rental income is going on tax, but he knows this because I told him when we first signed a the initial lease that I pay approx half of mine, but thats because I earn in the higher tax bracket. He barely works to my knowledge, on and off it seems, so he is likely not earning in the higher income tax bracket, so I very much doubt he would be paying half the rental income in tax anyway. My guess is hes paying none or has recently been collared for it due to his maintenance payment problems.
    So I think hes now trying to force us out and make living there so uncomfortable that we move on, maybe to either sell or rent for increased income. He claims he wants to move in but given he barely works, I cant see how this would help with the maintenance he has to pay.
    Its a mess and we are in the middle of it really and being treated very badly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭dancingqueen


    I've been following this thread for a couple of days.

    The issue is that he is coming around too much (which is valid). You have two options; either you can talk to him about it and ask him to tone it down as it's making you uncomfortable OR you can report him to the PRTB.

    I have been renting in Dublin for 15 years and a landlord who is NOT registered, in my opinion, should be reported in any case. Why you don't do that, being a landlord yourself, baffles me.

    I don't think there is a magic answer here. You have to deal with it and accept that it will make things harder until you move out. You knew at the start of your first lease that he wouldn't register the tenancy - that makes things harder from the get go. Dodgy start = dodgy tenancy and he has you cornered. I wouldn't allow him to continue to take the mickey out of me any longer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,314 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    terrydel wrote: »
    My partner is worried that if we do that he will take retribution some way and I can understand her concerns. We have 2 dogs, in fairness he was good to let us rent with them, and we are happy to pay for any damage they might cause, but if we get into a dispute like that he could very easily enter the house and let them out to go missing or whatever. We dont need that in our lives.
    You refuse to do anything to stop him from coming over in fear of retribution, so IMO the only option left is for you to move.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭dancingqueen


    the_syco wrote: »
    You refuse to do anything to stop him from coming over in fear of retribution, so IMO the only option left is for you to move.

    I agree with you actually. I think that speculation of letting the dogs out is a bit dramatic though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    I agree with you actually. I think that speculation of letting the dogs out is a bit dramatic though.

    Its just an example of what could happen if we got into a very bitter dispute with him, which could easily happen if we report him and he has more financial/legal issues on top of his serious issues over child maintenance.
    If you push someone too far you don't know what they'll do. And more for our sake than his, I'm very reluctant to risk that. Call that dramatic if you want.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭dancingqueen


    terrydel wrote: »
    Its just an example of what could happen if we got into a very bitter dispute with him, which could easily happen if we report him and he has more financial/legal issues on top of his serious issues over child maintenance.
    If you push someone too far you don't know what they'll do. And more for our sake than his, I'm very reluctant to risk that. Call that dramatic if you want.

    To be fair, you came to a forum seeking advice. You have options: say nothing (which won't work for you as it's clearly bothering you), talk to him or report him (which you don't seem to want to do either) OR move (which is a huge ask in the current rental market). I do think it's dramatic. Do you have evidence that he is that sort of person? Has he done something like that before? Has he entered the property without telling you? I've been in bad rental situations before, and I won't let anyone walk all over me or take away my rights. If he can't hack being a landlord then he shouldn't be one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,771 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    OP you need to say
    “ look it landlord your a nice guy but you have to stop calling around. This is currently my home, and you are making us uncomfortable. “


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,406 ✭✭✭1874


    terrydel wrote: »
    I know its easy, its pouring salt into a container essentially, but he wont allow us access to do it, so its not in our power to do it, however easy.
    I am considering a letter if he turns up next weekend (hes already here this weekend to paint fences or some other ****e).


    The landlord is under no obigation to allow you to carry out anything maintenance related, carrying out maintenance related tasks should be scheduled, but you shouldnt be complaining about it.

    terrydel wrote: »
    We rent the entire house, front and back garden. We are not allowed access to the garage, which I accepted. But to come every single week for some or other reason is excessive in my view. It staggers me but doesnt suprise me that plenty seem to find no issue with that.


    You dont rent the garage, it doesnt matter whether or not you accept it, you stated yourself you dont rent it, its none of your business.

    terrydel wrote: »
    The garage is separate to the house, they are not connected.
    To be clear, I've no problem with him accessing it, I would have liked to have use of it for my motorbike but he wouldnt agree to that.
    And I wouldnt credit him with the intelligence to be doing anything to circumvent any rule, he hasnt a clue quite honestly. This is his first time renting, and as a long time landlord myself, I had to tell him what to do when we were agreeing the initial lease. He really didnt have a clue. I told him then to register with the prtb but it become clear very quickly he had no intention, and we needed a place so had to acquiesce.
    But it staggers me that anyone feels I'm being unreasonable in suggesting that weekly visits from a landlord (for whatever reason), many of them lasting for 8-9 hours +, is excessive and out of order.
    Have things really got that bad where a tenant cant even expect to have the place to themselves at weekends the majority of time?
    Its depressing to me if what I'm suggesting here is considered unreasonable.


    Tbh, after reading the thread following a few added comments, it seems you do have a problem with him accessing the garage, otherwise why keep bringing it up, it was never in the agreement and you dont have any say on whether he accesses it or not, it doesnt matter if you mind, youre not renting it off him, he can go to the garage every day if he likes, its his. You make it clear you were interested in the garage, but that he didnt want that, so it was never in his plan. You insult someone saying they dont have the intelligence who cant defend themself here. You sound fairly hostile, maybe youre annoyed about it, you seem bothered by it all, so why dont you just have a plain and to the point discussion and say you dont wnat him at the house in the bounds of the area you rent more than a certain amount of time, I still think once a month is reasonable and that sounds like it would be a huge improvement.

    terrydel wrote: »
    My partner is worried that if we do that he will take retribution some way and I can understand her concerns. We have 2 dogs, in fairness he was good to let us rent with them, and we are happy to pay for any damage they might cause, but if we get into a dispute like that he could very easily enter the house and let them out to go missing or whatever. We dont need that in our lives.

    Last summer he was looking to sell the place and knew we'd be interested and came to us with a price. after some haggling (the price was more than we are comfortable paying) I offfered him his asking price and he changed his mind. Hes perfectly entitled to do that, but I made him aware of the stress and hurt it caused us to do that. After that, I demanded another fixed term contract (the previous one expired in july 2018) as i had no clue whether he would change his mind from one end of the week to the next, I told him I was not prepared to live with the uncertainty that a for sale sign could go up at any moment if he had another change of mind. He gave it, mostly because he knew we'd leave and he needs the money from the rent. It was signed in September for a year.
    It gave us a bit more security and time to find a place.
    At this stage I just want out, but it means buying in a very tough market which will take time, renting will be nigh on impossible with 2 dogs in this market, and we simply will not live without them, I'd sleep under a bridge with them rather than lose them.
    I'd be 90% positive he did not declare the rental income at least at the start, and that was some of the motivation for not registering with the prtb. He keeps saying lately that he has maintenance payments to make but half his rental income is going on tax, but he knows this because I told him when we first signed a the initial lease that I pay approx half of mine, but thats because I earn in the higher tax bracket. He barely works to my knowledge, on and off it seems, so he is likely not earning in the higher income tax bracket, so I very much doubt he would be paying half the rental income in tax anyway. My guess is hes paying none or has recently been collared for it due to his maintenance payment problems.
    So I think hes now trying to force us out and make living there so uncomfortable that we move on, maybe to either sell or rent for increased income. He claims he wants to move in but given he barely works, I cant see how this would help with the maintenance he has to pay.
    Its a mess and we are in the middle of it really and being treated very badly.


    You seem to be without cause accusing the person of doing something you and your wife have come to the conclusion in your own mind that he will do, given that he agreed to rent with dogs, and resigned a lease, that seems a bit unlikely. Poor you about the stress and hurt!? he is perfectly entitled to not sell to you, you said he changed his mind, but just before that you said, he came to us with an offer, and after some haggling? maybe you caused him stress trying to downgrade the offer, you sound difficult to deal with especially as you state, you demanded a fixed term lease, as a landlord as you claim, you should know hese are virtually of no point after 6 months anyway and as you are saying you want to buy somewhere, they could actually cause you a problem having one. Id say you had no right to demand a fixed term lease, you were already covered by part4.
    Going through this point by point, you really seem to be bothered he is sticking his nose it your business, but you are doing the exact same, its none of your business what rate he is on, you have no idea what his earnings are. You are all over the place, youre not happy there, you have dogs and state he let to you with them and you would have difficulty finding anywhwere with dogs, so you seem a bit ungrateful.




    terrydel wrote: »
    Its just an example of what could happen if we got into a very bitter dispute with him, which could easily happen if we report him and he has more financial/legal issues on top of his serious issues over child maintenance.
    If you push someone too far you don't know what they'll do. And more for our sake than his, I'm very reluctant to risk that. Call that dramatic if you want.


    Youre speculating, and nothing you said about him here suggests here that would be the case. So you know he has financial issues, and are aware of issues with child maintenance payments? what relevance is that, again none of your business, at the least are you not sympathetic?
    Seriously, you need to grow a pair, you actually seem very passive aggressive, all you need to do is have a frank civil discussion about his over attendance, all the rest seems to be in your heads and a lot of it seems to be because you are dissatisfied about not getting the garage for your motorbike and knowing you might not get elsewhere with dogs, thats your responsibility, its not his fault or responsibility.


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