DS Automobiles launches the DS7 Crossback

GeneHunt · 07-02-2019 12:28PM #1

Aparently DS Automobiles had their Irish official launch of the DS7 Crossback yesterday. Below are the models / spec & prices. Petrol & Diesel from the start with a 4X4 PHEV on the way. They will be aiming the DS7 Crossback at the likes of the BMW X1, Audi Q3, Jaguar E-Pace, Volvo XC40, Range Rover Evoque and the Luxus UX.

Model Engine Fuel__ Transmission CO2/km Road Tax Retail Price
Elegance 1.2L Puretech 130bhp 6MT Petrol 6-Speed Manual 148 €270 €36,000
Performance Line 1.2L Puretech 130bhp 6MT Petrol 6-Speed Manual 150 €270 €42,000
Performance Line 1.6L Puretech 180bhp EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic 179 €280 €47,500
Prestige 1.6L Puretech 180bhp EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic 180 €280 €52,500
Elegance 1.5L BlueHDi 130bhp 6MT Diesel 6-Speed Manual 146 €190 €38,300
Elegance 1.5L BlueHDi 130bhp EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 145 €190 €41,300
Performance Line 1.5L BlueHDi 130bhp 6MT Diesel 6-Speed Manual 146 €190 €44,300
Performance Line 1.5L BlueHDi 130bhp EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 143 €190 €47,300
Performance Line_ 2.0L BlueHDi 180bhp EAT8_ Diesel 8-Speed Automatic_ 173 €270 €49,795
Prestige 1.5L BlueHDi 130bhp 6MT Diesel 6-Speed Manual 149 €190 €49,300
Prestige 2.0L BlueHDi 180bhp EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 173 €270 €54,795
Ultra Prestige 2.0L BlueHDi 180bhp EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 173 €270 €60,235

Arthur Daley · 07-02-2019 12:39PM

Good to see a big Citroen back in the game

grogi · 07-02-2019 12:40PM

So effectively a 3008 with 10008€ extra?

CrowdedHouse · 07-02-2019 12:43PM

Those tax rates are completely wrong.

pah · 07-02-2019 01:36PM

grogi · 07-02-2019 04:26PM

What are those buttons?!

In general I am all for physical buttons - but the complete lack of organisation of them is just ridiculous...

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neris · 07-02-2019 04:27PM

is that not a citreon

grogi · 07-02-2019 04:29PM

neris wrote: »

is that not a citreon

According to PSA no, it ain't a Citroen. It's a DS.

kerten · 07-02-2019 05:22PM

grogi wrote: »

What are those buttons?!

In general I am all for physical buttons - but the complete lack of organisation of them is just ridiculous...

I guess they are touch buttons not physical ones

kerten · 07-02-2019 05:24PM

grogi wrote: »

So effectively a 3008 with 10008€ extra?

It is a 3008 underneath but has multilink suspension at rear axle and more powerful 1.6 petrol engines (there is a 225 hp version of that 1.6 engine but it may be LHD only).

Obviously take on premium market so more refined and fancier materials everywhere

Alun · 07-02-2019 05:26PM

Isn't DS Automobiles just Citroen's version of Lexus and Infiniti?

grogi · 07-02-2019 05:28PM

Alun wrote: »

Isn't DS Automobiles just Citroen's version of Lexus and Infiniti?

Both DS and Citroen are brands of PSA if that's what you're asking about... As is Peugeot, Opel and Vauxhall...

kerten · 07-02-2019 06:40PM

Alun wrote: »

Isn't DS Automobiles just Citroen's version of Lexus and Infiniti?

Correct.

ShadowHearth · 07-02-2019 07:03PM

grogi wrote: »

Both DS and Citroen are brands of PSA if that's what you're asking about... As is Peugeot, Opel and Vauxhall...

DS is separate brand now. I talked to dealer who took over Citroen and he said he won't have DS, because they forcing dealers to have a completely separate showroom.

Citroen is coming out with their own version of this. It's going to be Citroen c5 aircross. So this DS, 3008 and c5 aircross sharing same platform.
To be honest, out of all 3 of them, c5 aircross looks most interesting. Hydraulic suspension and way more funkier styling.

colm_mcm · 07-02-2019 08:03PM

They’re deluded if they think they will sell any. They’re tried this before.
Having one dealer for the country is a joke.

GeneHunt · 07-02-2019 08:06PM

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

Those tax rates are completely wrong.

I took the data from the DS website <here> and I forgot to cross check the numbers, the DS website is very poor... But you are right about the TAX rates, I wonder are the CO2 figures right.

Arthur Daley · 07-02-2019 08:10PM

Again it's all about UK sales and if you can flog a few in Ireland directly then go for it. Presumably the DS can be serviced through the Citroen dealerships to keep everything within warranty.

colm_mcm · 07-02-2019 08:22PM

Could be like the Abarth situation!

galwaytt · 07-02-2019 09:29PM

Sat in my first DS the other day: DS3 1.6 petrol turbo, 155bhp. Very nice, lovely cabin, nothing beats a big engine in a small car....

GeneHunt · 07-02-2019 09:58PM

As mentioned above, I took the data from the DS website <here> and I'm not sure if the TAX rates or the CO2 are right on the DS website! However, It could be a mistake between NEDC to WLTP testing results (I hope it's a genuine mistake on the DS website!) But if the CO2 figures are right, which they could be the new WLTP figures, as the TAX rates quoted look to match the older Peugeot 3008 TAX rates (NEDC based figures). So I've amended the below table, this time using the CO2 figures quoted on the DS website and up dated the TAX rates accordingly, If these figures are right, I can't see too many people ordering the 2.0L diesel anytime soon!

Model Engine Fuel__ Transmission CO2/km Road Tax Retail Price
Elegance 1.2L Puretech 130bhp 6MT Petrol 6-Speed Manual 148 €390 €36,000
Performance Line 1.2L Puretech 130bhp 6MT Petrol 6-Speed Manual 150 €390 €42,000
Performance Line 1.6L Puretech 180bhp EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic 179 €750 €47,500
Prestige 1.6L Puretech 180bhp EAT8 Petrol 8-Speed Automatic 180 €750 €52,500
Elegance 1.5L BlueHDi 130bhp 6MT Diesel 6-Speed Manual 146 €390 €38,300
Elegance 1.5L BlueHDi 130bhp EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 145 €390 €41,300
Performance Line 1.5L BlueHDi 130bhp 6MT Diesel 6-Speed Manual 146 €390 €44,300
Performance Line 1.5L BlueHDi 130bhp EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 143 €390 €47,300
Performance Line_ 2.0L BlueHDi 180bhp EAT8_ Diesel 8-Speed Automatic_ 173 €750 €49,795
Prestige 1.5L BlueHDi 130bhp 6MT Diesel 6-Speed Manual 149 €390 €49,300
Prestige 2.0L BlueHDi 180bhp EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 173 €750 €54,795
Ultra Prestige 2.0L BlueHDi 180bhp EAT8 Diesel 8-Speed Automatic 173 €750 €60,235

GeneHunt · 07-02-2019 10:04PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

DS is separate brand now. I talked to dealer who took over Citroen and he said he won't have DS, because they forcing dealers to have a completely separate showroom.

Citroen is coming out with their own version of this. It's going to be Citroen c5 aircross. So this DS7 Crossback, 3008 and c5 aircross sharing same platform.
To be honest, out of all 3 of them, c5 aircross looks most interesting. Hydraulic suspension and way more funkier styling.

There's one other cousin you forgot to mention which makes it four, the Opel / Vauxhall Grandland X.

ShadowHearth · 07-02-2019 10:17PM

GeneHunt wrote: »

There's one other cousin you forgot to mention which makes it four, the Opel / Vauxhall Grandland X.

That's right, forgot about Opel, at this stage, maybe even Germans forgot about it. :pac:

colm_mcm · 07-02-2019 10:21PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

DS is separate brand now. I talked to dealer who took over Citroen and he said he won't have DS, because they forcing dealers to have a completely separate showroom.

Citroen is coming out with their own version of this. It's going to be Citroen c5 aircross. So this DS, 3008 and c5 aircross sharing same platform.
To be honest, out of all 3 of them, c5 aircross looks most interesting. Hydraulic suspension and way more funkier styling.

PSA have gone like VW with their MQB platform, so the EMP2 platform is the basis of stuff like the Toyota Proace, Citroen Berlingo, Peugeot 508 etc,

Platform these days just means a bunch of common parts which can be used in a variety of cars from SUVs and vans to small cars.

road_high · 08-02-2019 12:13AM

Those prices are actually fairly reasonable. I like DS, PSA have genuinely good cars at the moment so least they won’t feel so much as posh Citroen’s as they did.
It’s a shame they won’t see many here, the DS3 sold a few when it was a Citroen but never see a new one now.

road_high · 08-02-2019 12:18AM

When DS came out a few years ago as an own brand, fairly sure the normal Citroen dealers sold them? Our local one certainly sold a few. They could do with the product and volume, the DS3 is a car with a wide enough appeal but mightn’t reach enough sales if limited to a few special dealers?

Marcusm · 08-02-2019 01:16AM

galwaytt wrote: »

Sat in my first DS the other day: DS3 1.6 petrol turbo, 155bhp. Very nice, lovely cabin, nothing beats a big engine in a small car....

It’s not really that big or powerful an engine in that tune, is it. It’s the same Prince engine that’s been in 208s, DS3s and (until 2010 or so) Minis got more than a decade. Can be up to 220bhp IIRC.

grogi · 08-02-2019 01:19AM

Marcusm wrote: »

It’s not really that big or powerful an engine in that tune, is it. It’s the same Prince engine that’s been in 208s, DS3s and (until 2010 or so) Minis got more than a decade. Can be up to 220bhp IIRC.

270bhp in Peugeot 308 GTi.

GeneHunt · 08-02-2019 02:28AM

pah wrote: »

Ah pah, please don't mention your DS5 here

Cos I still have my one

, and I still love it..... :cool:

All jokes aside, you had the Hybrid DS5, so the problem you had could also have happened if it was the Peugeot 508 RXH or the 3008 Hybrid.

I said I may as well fix your YouTube link too!

colm_mcm · 08-02-2019 08:19AM

road_high wrote: »

When DS came out a few years ago as an own brand, fairly sure the normal Citroen dealers sold them? Our local one certainly sold a few. They could do with the product and volume, the DS3 is a car with a wide enough appeal but mightn’t reach enough sales if limited to a few special dealers?

They used to sell them as Citroen’s, then they rebranded those cars as DS. That gives the brand (the original Citroen DS was their finest moment) a lot less credibility.

road_high · 08-02-2019 02:09PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

They used to sell them as Citroen’s, then they rebranded those cars as DS. That gives the brand (the original Citroen DS was their finest moment) a lot less credibility.

It’s a bit of a hard sell alright but fair play to PSA for offering something different.
I’d love to know how un/profitable the brand is! It costs huge sums of money to establish a brand, let alone a range of quality cars to back that up! Brave move I think

kerten · 08-02-2019 02:52PM

I was following this model for a while.

DS7 is the first DS model on PSA group's EMP2 platform + independent rear suspension(which other PSA models don't have).

Comparing to 3008/Grandland X, It offers more refinement, more powerful petrol engines, better interior materials and more technology(active scan, nightvision, etc) and interesting design especially inside.

DS Automobiles launches the DS7 Crossback

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