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Landlord at house every week....

  • 06-02-2019 6:54pm
    #1
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭


    We are at the end of our tether with our landlord, he has been at the house at least once per week practically every week over the last 3-4 months. He finds a reason every week, be it putting salt in the water filtration system (be won't allow us do this) repair or gardening work in the garden, collecting the mail he refuses to reroute, whatever it is he finds it. He is looking to move back in when our contract is up and it is my firm belief he is doing this to try annoy us into going sooner. He is a passive aggressive arsehole so would never have the decency and guts to just say that however. The tenancy is not registered with the prtb so he's breaking the law to my knowledge and if this constant invasion of privacy keeps up, I am seriously considering reporting him so they can deal with him.
    Thoughts on this issue and what action I should take?
    Cheers.


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  • #2
    shivermetimber
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭shivermetimber


    He shouldn't call to the property or enter without permission. He might own it but it's your home and you have a certain right to privacy there. He can request access at reasonable intervals to carry out repairs and inspect the place but this must be done at a date and time agreed in advance. Every week or more is certainly not reasonable.

    Have a word with him and tell him the weekly are concerning you, that he is not allowed as per above and you would like him to only come at reasonable intervals and when pre arranged. If he doesn't want to hear this then I'm afraid you'll have to stand up for yourselves and say that you will seek external advise through the prtb if needs be. If he isn't registered then this should spook him into line but if it doesn't then your perfectly entitled to go down that route if you think he deserves teaching.


  • #3
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,314 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    terrydel wrote: »
    be it putting salt in the water filtration system
    Is it locked? Is there anything stopping you from doing it yourself? I don't care that he doesn't want you doing it.
    terrydel wrote: »
    The tenancy is not registered with the prtb so he's breaking the law to my knowledge and if this constant invasion of privacy keeps up, I am seriously considering reporting him so they can deal with him.
    Thoughts on this issue and what action I should take?
    Cheers.
    https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/beginning-a-tenancy/rights-and-responsibilities/
    Privacy – the landlord can only enter the property with the tenants permission, unless every attempt has been made to contact the tenant
    Perhaps next time he wants to pop over, say no?


  • #4
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    the_syco wrote: »
    Is it locked? Is there anything stopping you from doing it yourself? I don't care that he doesn't want you doing it.


    https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/beginning-a-tenancy/rights-and-responsibilities/

    Perhaps next time he wants to pop over, say no?

    re water; we added salt at one rental and very easy...

    Maybe an official letter as he seems insensitive to other ideas... and yes NO works and do not answer the door.


  • #5
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    the_syco wrote: »
    Is it locked? Is there anything stopping you from doing it yourself? I don't care that he doesn't want you doing it.


    https://onestopshop.rtb.ie/beginning-a-tenancy/rights-and-responsibilities/

    Perhaps next time he wants to pop over, say no?

    The filtration system is in the garage which he will not give us access to. Its an external garage.
    He claims it needs salt once per month, but its often gone 2 or 3 months without it with no issues (hes called up for different reasons in that period - collecting the mail or taking something from the garage mainly). I personally think the filtration system is a convenient excuse for regular visits, hence him not allowing us to manage it.

    I've told him no on numerous occasions and told him his notice the night before just isnt acceptable.
    He recently planted hedging out the back, and this took a full day of a weekend for 4 full weekends.


  • #6
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    Graces7 wrote: »
    re water; we added salt at one rental and very easy...

    Maybe an official letter as he seems insensitive to other ideas... and yes NO works and do not answer the door.

    I know its easy, its pouring salt into a container essentially, but he wont allow us access to do it, so its not in our power to do it, however easy.
    I am considering a letter if he turns up next weekend (hes already here this weekend to paint fences or some other ****e).


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  • #7
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    Is he actually coming into the property or just painting and doing stuff round the grounds?

    Can you not just close the curtains and ignore him?


  • #8
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,117 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    ....... wrote: »
    Is he actually coming into the property or just painting and doing stuff round the grounds?

    Can you not just close the curtains and ignore him?

    They shouldn't have to.


  • #9
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    They shouldn't have to.

    Well there is a difference between someone coming into the property and someone doing grounds maintenance.

    I lived in a managed apartment block where there would regularly be people doing grounds maintenance right outside my window, cleaning windows, leaf blowing, planting shrubs, gardening etc...

    Now it could be argued that they were interfering with my peaceful enjoyment of my own home, but they were keeping the place looking nice so if they bothered me I just shut the curtains.

    Im struggling to see the problem if he is confining his visits to the area to outside the property.


  • #10
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    ....... wrote: »
    Well there is a difference between someone coming into the property and someone doing grounds maintenance.

    I lived in a managed apartment block where there would regularly be people doing grounds maintenance right outside my window, cleaning windows, leaf blowing, planting shrubs, gardening etc...

    Now it could be argued that they were interfering with my peaceful enjoyment of my own home, but they were keeping the place looking nice so if they bothered me I just shut the curtains.

    Im struggling to see the problem if he is confining his visits to the area to outside the property.

    There is a big difference between a private dwelling and the communal areas of an apartment block


  • #11
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    uptherebels wrote: »
    There is a big difference between a private dwelling and the communal areas of an apartment block

    Yeah thats why I asked if he was coming in or just doing stuff on the grounds - the OP mentioned a garage that they had no access to so presumably he is entitled to access that?

    Also a fence that he is painting - if he is only hanging around the outskirts at the fence then its not a big deal IMO.

    Now its a different matter if he is up at their windows or asking to use the loo/sink/kitchen while he is working outside.


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  • #12
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,776 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Return all post to the sender with 'not at this address' written on it.


  • #13
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    ....... wrote: »
    Is he actually coming into the property or just painting and doing stuff round the grounds?

    Can you not just close the curtains and ignore him?

    Mainly outside, but why should I have to do as you suggest? I pay him a lot of money and work long and hard for a bit of privacy, spending my weekends with my landlord over my shoulder for a whole day is not my idea of privacy.
    I'm a landlord myself actually, and I'd visit the property once a year tops or only at the request of the tenant.


  • #14
    sweetie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,796 ✭✭✭sweetie


    terrydel wrote: »
    Mainly outside, but why should I have to do as you suggest? I pay him a lot of money and work long and hard for a bit of privacy, spending my weekends with my landlord over my shoulder for a whole day is not my idea of privacy.
    I'm a landlord myself actually, and I'd visit the property once a year tops or only at the request of the tenant.

    Well man up and deal with it, seeing as you know the score. A landlord looking for advice on here for a situation with his own landlord is bizarre!


  • #15
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    terrydel wrote: »
    Mainly outside, but why should I have to do as you suggest? I pay him a lot of money and work long and hard for a bit of privacy, spending my weekends with my landlord over my shoulder for a whole day is not my idea of privacy.
    I'm a landlord myself actually, and I'd visit the property once a year tops or only at the request of the tenant.

    You dont have to do anything but its not entirely clear what the issue is?

    If he is outside at the perimeter or going into a garage why is it bothering you?

    As for his post - return to sender it all, not known at this address.


  • #16
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    terrydel wrote: »
    The filtration system is in the garage which he will not give us access to. Its an external garage.
    He claims it needs salt once per month, but its often gone 2 or 3 months without it with no issues (hes called up for different reasons in that period - collecting the mail or taking something from the garage mainly). I personally think the filtration system is a convenient excuse for regular visits, hence him not allowing us to manage it.

    I've told him no on numerous occasions and told him his notice the night before just isnt acceptable.
    He recently planted hedging out the back, and this took a full day of a weekend for 4 full weekends.

    It is his property and he is allowed to plant a hedge, and he did not rent the garage, so it is still his to enter without asking any persons permission


  • #17
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    ....... wrote: »
    You dont have to do anything but its not entirely clear what the issue is?

    If he is outside at the perimeter or going into a garage why is it bothering you?

    As for his post - return to sender it all, not known at this address.

    Are you for real? We pay a lot of money and our landlord spends whole days of every weekend on the property and that shouldnt bother us? Are we not entitled to have the place to ourselves at weekends after a hard week in work? We rent the whole property, garden included. We are not his lodgers.
    You think its ok that a landlord has probably made 20+ visits to the property since early November, many of them he has spent the entire day there?


  • #18
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    terrydel wrote: »
    Are you for real? We pay a lot of money and our landlord spends whole days of every weekend on the property and that shouldnt bother us? Are we not entitled to have the place to ourselves at weekends after a hard week in work? We rent the whole property, garden included. We are not his lodgers.

    But you do have the place to yourselves? He is outside, planting hedges or painting fences? He isnt in the house with you?

    Would you look after the maintenance of the garden/perimeter/hedges if he stopped coming?

    Would you mind if he sent someone else to do the work? Is it just that its him or that someone is maintaining the grounds?

    I genuinely dont see what being in work for the week has to do with it - lots of people work weekends and wouldnt even notice their LL planting hedges of a Saturday.


  • #19
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    terrydel wrote: »
    Are you for real? We pay a lot of money and our landlord spends whole days of every weekend on the property and that shouldnt bother us? Are we not entitled to have the place to ourselves at weekends after a hard week in work? We rent the whole property, garden included. We are not his lodgers.
    You think its ok that a landlord has probably made 20+ visits to the property since early November, many of them he has spent the entire day there?

    It seems the garage is not included in your deal, as you said that you do not have access to it, you already stated this in an earlier post, would want to read contract again to see if this is true


  • #20
    Boardnashea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭Boardnashea


    Do you rent the house and the path to the front door? Or do you rent the whole property?

    If the whole property then you should have enjoyment of the whole property.


  • #21
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    terrydel wrote: »
    Mainly outside, but why should I have to do as you suggest? I pay him a lot of money and work long and hard for a bit of privacy, spending my weekends with my landlord over my shoulder for a whole day is not my idea of privacy.
    I'm a landlord myself actually, and I'd visit the property once a year tops or only at the request of the tenant.

    Does the lease specify that you are obliged to maintain the exterior of the property?
    If it doesnt then he has every right t o maintain it at his convenience. You are a landlord but happy to have a situation where your tenancy isnt registered with the useless PRTB.


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  • #22
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    I did rent at one time, and law is, it is u to me to keep the place in good order,
    If a tenant came out to me and said I were a nuisance, I would tell them to start looking for alternative accommodation


  • #23
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    terrydel wrote: »
    You think its ok that a landlord has probably made 20+ visits to the property since early November, many of them he has spent the entire day there?

    If he hasnt come in or bothered you then I dont see the problem.

    Im not home most of Saturday myself because Im out doing the shopping/going to the gym/getting bits etc... so its unlikely Id notice if my landlord was there until I saw the fruits of his labour and then Id just be glad he was keeping the place nice.

    I used to rent a granny flat and the landlord was regularly in my little garden area painting and treating a fence/ gardening etc... I never minded, I used to go out and offer him tea.

    If you just dont like the guy then maybe thats a different issue. But on the face of it I cant see what is freaking you out so much.


  • #24
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    ....... wrote: »
    But you do have the place to yourselves? He is outside, planting hedges or painting fences? He isnt in the house with you?

    Would you look after the maintenance of the garden/perimeter/hedges if he stopped coming?

    Would you mind if he sent someone else to do the work? Is it just that its him or that someone is maintaining the grounds?

    I genuinely dont see what being in work for the week has to do with it - lots of people work weekends and wouldnt even notice their LL planting hedges of a Saturday.

    Are you just trolling now?
    I do maintain the garden.
    If you dont see merit in someone wanting to have their home to themselves at weekends then I personally cant help you. Your point about people working weekends is utterly irrelevant as we do not, we have time at home at weekends only and he is in the garden for entire days, knocks in to get his mail etc. Why do you have such an issue with the simple desire to have a house properly to ourselves?


  • #25
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    Edgware wrote: »
    Does the lease specify that you are obliged to maintain the exterior of the property?
    If it doesnt then he has every right t o maintain it at his convenience. You are a landlord but happy to have a situation where your tenancy isnt registered with the useless PRTB.

    Im not happy, but I cannot put a gun to his head and make him register can I?


  • #26
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    terrydel wrote: »
    Are you just trolling now?
    I do maintain the garden.
    If you dont see merit in someone wanting to have their home to themselves at weekends then I personally cant help you. Your point about people working weekends is utterly irrelevant as we do not, we have time at home at weekends only and he is in the garden for entire days, knocks in to get his mail etc. Why do you have such an issue with the simple desire to have a house properly to ourselves?

    Now that you say, you maintain garden, he is lucky to have you, because I have not seen many tenants keeping a property in good order on the outside


  • #27
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    Boardnashea wrote: »
    Do you rent the house and the path to the front door? Or do you rent the whole property?

    If the whole property then you should have enjoyment of the whole property.

    We rent the entire house, front and back garden. We are not allowed access to the garage, which I accepted. But to come every single week for some or other reason is excessive in my view. It staggers me but doesnt suprise me that plenty seem to find no issue with that.


  • #28
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    terrydel wrote: »
    Are you just trolling now?
    I do maintain the garden.
    If you dont see merit in someone wanting to have their home to themselves at weekends then I personally cant help you. Your point about people working weekends is utterly irrelevant as we do not, we have time at home at weekends only and he is in the garden for entire days, knocks in to get his mail etc. Why do you have such an issue with the simple desire to have a house properly to ourselves?

    Why are you becoming personal?

    You have a problem with your LL. I am asking you what the problem is.

    Nothing you have posted clarifies what the issue is except that you dont like him in your garden.

    You may not like him in your garden but it sounds like you havent rented the entire property - if there is a garage you dont have access to.

    If your attitude towards him is anything like your attitude on this thread then perhaps it is YOU who is the problem eh?


  • #29
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    goat2 wrote: »
    Now that you say, you maintain garden, he is lucky to have you, because I have not seen many tenants keeping a property in good order on the outside

    I cut the grass, trim the hedges regularly, it is kept better than when we arrived.


  • #30
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    terrydel wrote: »
    Im not happy, but I cannot put a gun to his head and make him register can I?

    You can report him to PRTB.


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  • #31
    goat2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    He must be bored , and looking to do something, get out and about


  • #32
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    ....... wrote: »
    Why are you becoming personal?

    You have a problem with your LL. I am asking you what the problem is.

    Nothing you have posted clarifies what the issue is except that you dont like him in your garden.

    You may not like him in your garden but it sounds like you havent rented the entire property - if there is a garage you dont have access to.

    If your attitude towards him is anything like your attitude on this thread then perhaps it is YOU who is the problem eh?

    What is personal in asking you are you trolling when thats what it looks like?
    If you cant read what the issue is then you clearly lack basic intelligence.
    We rent the garden he spends whole days of each weekend in.
    If you dont find that kind of thing excessive from a landlord, lucky you.
    Happy to discuss offline with you if you have an issue with my attitude.


  • #33
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    ....... wrote: »
    You can report him to PRTB.

    I have no great desire to do that, hes an adult and if we wants to break the law thats his choice. We need a home and insisting on him registering may have cost us that, so we dont have great bargaining power, if you cant understand that in this market i give up.


  • #34
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    terrydel wrote: »
    What is personal in asking you are you trolling when thats what it looks like?
    If you cant read what the issue is then you clearly lack basic intelligence.
    We rent the garden he spends whole days of each weekend in.
    If you dont find that kind of thing excessive from a landlord, lucky you.
    Happy to discuss offline with you if you have an issue with my attitude.

    Ive zero interest in a pm exchange with someone like you tbh.

    Ill leave you to it as yet again you are unable to articulate what the actual issue is, you dont like him in your garden, but you cannot seem to say why.


  • #35
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    terrydel wrote: »
    Happy to discuss offline with you if you have an issue with my attitude.

    This sort of suggestion is not acceptable due to the threatening undertone to it

    You have one choice in this situation - RTB. If you don't want to do that, that's your decision but there are no other solutions.


  • #36
    miamee
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,427 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    terrydel wrote: »
    I have no great desire to do that, hes an adult and if we wants to break the law thats his choice. We need a home and insisting on him registering may have cost us that, so we dont have great bargaining power, if you cant understand that in this market i give up.

    If you are afraid to rock the boat in that sense then your only option is to have a friendly chat with him and ask if he'd mind planning his visits more to get a few things done at once rather than coming around once a week. You'll probably find out a lot from his reaction to this. Maybe he is trying to escape a home situation by spending as much time out of it as possible (do you know why he's planning to move into the house you rent when your lease is up?)

    Sorry I don't have any more advice for you.


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  • #37
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    terrydel wrote: »
    The filtration system is in the garage which he will not give us access to. Its an external garage.
    He claims it needs salt once per month, but its often gone 2 or 3 months without it with no issues (hes called up for different reasons in that period - collecting the mail or taking something from the garage mainly). I personally think the filtration system is a convenient excuse for regular visits, hence him not allowing us to manage it.

    I've told him no on numerous occasions and told him his notice the night before just isnt acceptable.
    He recently planted hedging out the back, and this took a full day of a weekend for 4 full weekends.

    We had one like that once. When we locked the gates he blew steam and when we told him why we checked he had registered the tenancy and he hadn't so prtb "pursued" him

    He had land on a slope behind the house and would pace past the kitchen window every day, back and forth these legs! Any excuse. So I closed the curtains


    I left. I would do better these days though.

    It was the house he grew up in and he could not let go.


  • #38
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    terrydel wrote: »
    Im not happy, but I cannot put a gun to his head and make him register can I?

    You can report him. He is breaking the law. RTB will do the rest


  • #39
    IITYWYBMAD
    Registered Users Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭IITYWYBMAD


    ....... wrote: »
    But you do have the place to yourselves? He is outside, planting hedges or painting fences? He isnt in the house with you?

    Would you look after the maintenance of the garden/perimeter/hedges if he stopped coming?

    Would you mind if he sent someone else to do the work? Is it just that its him or that someone is maintaining the grounds?

    I genuinely dont see what being in work for the week has to do with it - lots of people work weekends and wouldnt even notice their LL planting hedges of a Saturday.

    I actually think you are being obtuse, just for the sake of it.

    Your personal experiences have no bearing on what the OP is going through, so what's sauce for you, may not be sauce for the OP.

    If it bothers the OP that the landlord is around every weekend, that's their issue. I don't think it could be simpler than that.

    OP, my suggestion is that you inform the landlord that you are not happy with his constant visits to the dwelling. Assert your rights to privacy, and a reasonable period of notice, when he NEEDS to visit. You do not have to explain your reasons why you want this. Do this in writing. I'd also add a note that if he continues to invade your privacy you will contact the RTB and open a dispute.


  • #40
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    ....... wrote: »
    Why are you becoming personal?

    You have a problem with your LL. I am asking you what the problem is.

    Nothing you have posted clarifies what the issue is except that you dont like him in your garden.

    You may not like him in your garden but it sounds like you havent rented the entire property - if there is a garage you dont have access to.

    If your attitude towards him is anything like your attitude on this thread then perhaps it is YOU who is the problem eh?

    It is an invasion of privacy. It really is. Inexcusable. At weekends you should; be able to relax in peace and quiet not having work going on right outside the windows .... His exaggerated and invasive behaviour is ruining privacy and peaceful enjoyment.


  • #41
    upinsmoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 201 ✭✭upinsmoke


    Maybe he's hiding something in the garage? Like a grow house or something or a human.

    On a more serious note Have to agree with OP. Landlord arriving at any time and been around the property would drive me absolutely insane. Its an invasion of privacy. Summer months when you want to sit out would make it 10 times worse.

    I'd politely say to be him that your coming around a bit too much and if you feel the need report it. Landlords like that are never going to change so maybe start looking at a new place.

    And to ...... There's a big difference to someone working in a communal area in apartments than someone walking around your property knocking on your door taking control of your own personal garden and space which you do not get with apartments


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  • #42
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    ....... wrote: »
    Ive zero interest in a pm exchange with someone like you tbh.

    Ill leave you to it as yet again you are unable to articulate what the actual issue is, you dont like him in your garden, but you cannot seem to say why.

    And I've no time for pathetic trolls like yourself.
    It is abundantly clear what my issue is, if you cannot ascertain that then you are beyond my help.


  • #43
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    ....... wrote: »
    Ive zero interest in a pm exchange with someone like you tbh.

    Ill leave you to it as yet again you are unable to articulate what the actual issue is, you dont like him in your garden, but you cannot seem to say why.

    Cant seem to say why?
    You really, really are a troll or just stupid.


  • #44
    spaceHopper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭spaceHopper


    Rules may have changed but if you are there less than 6 months can he ask you to leave with no reason given. Do you want to pick a fight over this.
    Tell him you are a private person, you have a stressful job and you just want some peace and quite at the weekend, ask him to call around less often, suggest no more than every two weeks. Get him to put a letter box on the garage door and you'll pop the post in.

    Don't bring up the RTB at this stage see how it goes. If you go all guns blazing he may just say move out! Right now you have rented part of the property, he has the garage so he can technically do what he want with it. However you may want to ask him is he using electricity ?


  • #45
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    spaceHopper wrote: »
    Rules may have changed but if you are there less than 6 months can he ask you to leave with no reason given. Do you want to pick a fight over this.
    Tell him you are a private person, you have a stressful job and you just want some peace and quite at the weekend, ask him to call around less often, suggest no more than every two weeks. Get him to put a letter box on the garage door and you'll pop the post in.

    Don't bring up the RTB at this stage see how it goes. If you go all guns blazing he may just say move out! Right now you have rented part of the property, he has the garage so he can technically do what he want with it. However you may want to ask him is he using electricity ?


    We are over 18 months there now. Maybe I'm naive and judging people by my own standards, but I really dont feel i should need to explain or justify why I dont want him there for prolonged periods every week.
    There is a letter box outside the front gate and I've suggested he collects his mail from there.
    I really dont want to mention the rtb as its not my goal to have a dispute, but if someone is blatantly walking on us and our privacy, eventually I will have no option.
    As I said, hes been to the house over 20 times in the last four or so months. That is madness imho.
    He was asked a number of times in the last few weeks if we are actively looking to find a house to buy (he knows full well we are because we all know the contract is up in September and hes made it clear he is moving back in). In my opinion he is clearly trying to unsettle us, whether consciously or subconsciously.
    We dont feel we can relax with our landlord out the back garden (often with his father in tow) and able to see into the kitchen and into the living room as he walks past, it staggers me I have to actually explain that to any reasonable minded person (not you, but some other posters in this thread). I've been a landlord over 10 years and I know the score. I know how to treat tenants with respect. I know when I'm not being respected. I and my partner are model tenants, in fact when he called our previous landlord for a reference, he joked that she was my sister, given how good the reference was.
    It was his choice to not register with the prtb, I told him to do it, but we needed somewhere to live and choice was very low, so we could not force him.
    Going to the prtb is the last straw and I dont wish to do it, but if he keeps turning up every weekend, by the end of this month that will be the action I will take.


  • #46
    Treviso
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    Has he actually issued you with an eviction notice for September, stating that he is moving back into the property? Just because your contract is up then doesn't mean he can turf you out without sending you an official notification.


  • #47
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    Treviso wrote: »
    Has he actually issued you with an eviction notice for September, stating that he is moving back into the property? Just because your contract is up then doesn't mean he can turf you out without sending you an official notification.

    Nope he hasn't. He's no Einstein so I doubt he knows what's required.

    I'm perfectly aware of the requirements, however I'd be happy to be out by September and we are working towards that, trying to buy somewhere.


  • #48
    Treviso
    Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭Treviso


    In that case, you've nothing to lose by bringing this up with him. Totally sympathise with your situation as I wouldn't be able to relax in the house either, knowing that the landlord could arrive at any time. By saying it to him, whats the worse that can happen?

    He's lucky to have a tenant like you, that is looking forward to leaving. Imagine if he encountered a tenant that didnt pay the rent and dig their heels in when being evicted!


  • #49
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,314 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    ....... wrote: »
    I genuinely dont see what being in work for the week has to do with it - lots of people work weekends and wouldnt even notice their LL planting hedges of a Saturday.
    The landlord enters the garage on a near weekly basis, and then enters the house to collect his mail.

    OP; is the garage joined to the house by a door? Put something big and unmovable in front of said door.
    spaceHopper wrote: »
    Rules may have changed but if you are there less than 6 months can he ask you to leave with no reason given. Do you want to pick a fight over this.
    Only if not on a fixed term lease.
    terrydel wrote: »
    We are over 18 months there now.
    terrydel wrote: »
    he knows full well we are because we all know the contract is up in September and hes made it clear he is moving back in
    terrydel wrote: »
    Nope he hasn't. He's no Einstein so I doubt he knows what's required.

    I'm perfectly aware of the requirements, however I'd be happy to be out by September and we are working towards that, trying to buy somewhere.
    If he wants to play silly games, play silly games.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/renting_a_home/types_of_tenancy.html
    If you have been renting for at least 6 months and haven't been served with a valid written notice of termination, in general you automatically acquire security of tenure and can stay in the property for a number of years.

    If your tenancy started after 24 December 2016, this period is 6 years

    This security of tenure continues in 6-year (formerly 4-year) cycles.

    So, after the first 6 months, your tenancy becomes what is known as a Part 4 tenancy
    However, I wonder if the LL keeps access to the garage to circumvent this rule, as you aren't renting the full house, only part of it. Someone else may be able to correct me on this.


  • #50
    terrydel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭terrydel


    the_syco wrote: »
    The landlord enters the garage on a near weekly basis, and then enters the house to collect his mail.

    OP; is the garage joined to the house by a door? Put something big and unmovable in front of said door.


    Only if not on a fixed term lease.




    If he wants to play silly games, play silly games.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/renting_a_home/types_of_tenancy.html

    However, I wonder if the LL keeps access to the garage to circumvent this rule, as you aren't renting the full house, only part of it. Someone else may be able to correct me on this.

    The garage is separate to the house, they are not connected.
    To be clear, I've no problem with him accessing it, I would have liked to have use of it for my motorbike but he wouldnt agree to that. What I've issue with it is him using it as an excuse to drop up once per week, to get something from it, collect mail, spend a whole day of a weekend out the back garden (this has happened 5 times since Christmas). I think thats excessive and unfair on us.
    One occasion he told me the night before and I told him that simply isnt on, and got a sob story about him arranging to do it with his son and his son looking forward to it etc etc. He routinely has this feel sorry for himself stuff to throw back. As said before, he is extremely passive aggressive in my view, in fact I've never met someone so bad in that regard.
    And I wouldnt credit him with the intelligence to be doing anything to circumvent any rule, he hasnt a clue quite honestly. This is his first time renting, and as a long time landlord myself, I had to tell him what to do when we were agreeing the initial lease. He really didnt have a clue. I told him then to register with the prtb but it become clear very quickly he had no intention, and we needed a place so had to acquiesce.
    But it staggers me that anyone feels I'm being unreasonable in suggesting that weekly visits from a landlord (for whatever reason), many of them lasting for 8-9 hours +, is excessive and out of order.
    Have things really got that bad where a tenant cant even expect to have the place to themselves at weekends the majority of time?
    Its depressing to me if what I'm suggesting here is considered unreasonable.


  • #51
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70,172 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    the_syco wrote: »

    However, I wonder if the LL keeps access to the garage to circumvent this rule, as you aren't renting the full house, only part of it. Someone else may be able to correct me on this.

    I don't see how a disconnected garage could make this a licencee setup. Actually I don't even see how a connected garage that didn't happen to contain a legally habitable bedroom could either.


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