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Domestic solar PV quotes 2018

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,955 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Your 18 panels system, does it come with an eddi ?


    I would doubt it.


    They list the entry system and include Eddie
    7 panels (2.275kw) and a 2kw inverter with Eddi (smart immersion) = €4,500 + VAT = €5,108 and you can claim €1,400 back from SEAI = €3,708


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭py


    Hi folks, been following this thread for some time. Could someone PM me recommendation(s) for installation of a PV system in Dublin please? I've got some family members looking to pull the trigger on an installation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    py wrote: »
    Hi folks, been following this thread for some time. Could someone PM me recommendation(s) for installation of a PV system in Dublin please? I've got some family members looking to pull the trigger on an installation.

    Assuming they want to utilise the grant they need to use SEAI registered installers. They are listed on their website
    https://www.seai.ie/grants/home-energy-grants/solar-electricity-grant/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭py


    KCross wrote: »
    Assuming they want to utilise the grant they need to use SEAI registered installers. They are listed on their website
    https://www.seai.ie/grants/home-energy-grants/solar-electricity-grant/

    They absolutely will need to utilise the grant. Thanks for that. Hopefully the recommendations inbound will also see the installers on the list.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 Seanp92


    Hi All,

    Been reading the thread with interest , I’m looking for some help spec’ing a PV system possibly with battery:

    Detached house in Dublin with roof faving SE/NW with 2 adults, consumption is mainly from 4pm onwards and 250w back ground. Looking to try and achieve as little on grid as possible and have hot water for early morning and evenings. Have Smappee energy meter installed so can see average daily usage is 11kwh.

    Cheer guys.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭Ballylad


    No,

    I have the panels installed, waiting for the inverter and battery install etc.

    Spoken to them in Friday and they are waiting for a final checklist from seai before installing in the electrical side.

    The delay seems to be comming from seai producing a sign off sheet. They priced a friend of mine recently as well and he was told they are waiting in the same thing.

    (He actually went for a 10kwh battery I think, and 6kwp solar)

    Hi, Can you pm me supplier you went with?, thnks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭zdragon


    Can't see it taking 15yrs. If you take even an assumption without pv and just using it as a night save device.

    Charge battery overnight, 5kwh at 8c per kwh, is 40c

    Discharge during the day, at 18c per kwh, and you save 50c per day, 3.50 per week or 182 euro per year, which is approx 15 year payback.

    That's without solar pv being used to charge the battery.
    15 year for LiOn batteries , very optimistic .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭zdragon


    Reading this forum carefully . I still have doubts that solar is worth it.

    Here is my situation in numbers:

    my annual electricity bill is ~€922 (8.3 kW/day).
    Solar system 5kW (quote taken from this thread - €5200 after grants)

    My calculations are based on following assumptions

    electricity consumption stays flat :8.3 kW/day
    electricity price inflation a 3%/year

    Breaking point is around 8.5 years

    for a 6% inflation the breaking point is 7.5 years


    but my calculations are missing the real energy generated by a 5kW system so it could be longer before costs are recovered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,643 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    zdragon wrote: »
    Breaking point is around 8.5 years

    You wish. That's if all the electricity you use now will be covered by solar. You'd do very well to replace half of what you are using now...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭zdragon


    unkel wrote: »
    You wish. That's if all the electricity you use now will be covered by solar. You'd do very well to replace half of what you are using now...
    this calculation is an assumption that I get 60% from solar. but I think 5kw system will give me an average of 30% (here is where I need real data for Ireland)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,643 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You're using 3MWh per year. Your PV will generate 5MWh per year. Problem is that you use a lot of your electricity when your PV is not generating. Meaning most of your generated electricity will be lost and only a part (maybe half if you put a huge effort in) of your current consumption will be covered by PV. And you still have the same fixed electricity costs. So your savings are very optimistically 1500 units * 17c = €250 per year

    A (subsidised) battery will alleviate this, but these have even longer pay back times than subsidised PV...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,643 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I hasten to add that I have a large solar thermal setup, my only family car is a full EV and I have just increased my PV setup to a total of almost 4kwp

    But we have to be realistic about the figures and not kid ourselves with overly optimistic projections...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭zdragon


    unkel wrote: »
    I hasten to add that I have a large solar thermal setup, my only family car is a full EV and I have just increased my PV setup to a total of almost 4kwp

    But we have to be realistic about the figures and not kid ourselves with overly optimistic projections...

    would you share the datat?
    daily generated and daily consumed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,643 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    What data? Rule of thumb for a 5kwp panel south facing in a decent part of Ireland is that it will generate roughly 5MWh with a daily peak around midday and a yearly peak in the summer

    You will have to measure your own consumption data. And make some adjustments for when you can move night time use to daytime use (i.e. put the dishwasher in the middle of the day provided it's not raining / very overcast, etc.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭zdragon


    pvoutput org has a lot of interesting real data ,
    data below was generated near Liverpool

    Lyndale power station 4.000kW Compare: Tips
    Date▼ Generated Efficiency Exported Peak Power Peak Time Conditions Temperature
    Comments

    21/12/11 1.400kWh 0.350kWh/kW 1.400kWh 0.850kW - Mostly Cloudy 0 to 5C
    20/12/11 1.200kWh 0.300kWh/kW 1.200kWh 0.850kW - Mostly Cloudy 0 to 6C
    19/12/11 0.950kWh 0.238kWh/kW 0.950kWh 0.700kW - Showers 0 to 5C
    18/12/11 1.400kWh 0.350kWh/kW 1.400kWh 0.800kW - Fine 0 to 7C
    17/12/11 1.400kWh 0.350kWh/kW 1.400kWh 1.200kW - Fine 0 to 8C
    16/12/11 1.400kWh 0.350kWh/kW 1.400kWh 0.800kW - Cloudy 0 to 8C
    15/12/11 1.400kWh 0.350kWh/kW 1.400kWh 0.900kW - Mostly Cloudy 0 to 6C
    14/12/11 1.400kWh 0.350kWh/kW 1.400kWh 0.900kW - Mostly Cloudy 0 to 5C


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭zdragon


    Fotoman 3.995kW Compare: Tips
    Year▼
    Generated

    Efficiency

    North Hampshire
    4KW system

    Exported
    FIT Credit Low High Average
    Comments
    2019 117.472kWh 0.840kWh/kW 117.472kWh 0.146kWh 11.960kWh 3.356kWh Partial Year (35 days)
    2018 3.853MWh 2.643kWh/kW 3.853MWh 0.061kWh 29.110kWh 10.556kWh
    2017 3.521MWh 2.415kWh/kW 3.521MWh 0.311kWh 27.880kWh 9.647kWh
    2016 3.775MWh 2.582kWh/kW 3.775MWh 0.218kWh 27.380kWh 10.314kWh
    2015 3.791MWh 2.600kWh/kW 3.791MWh 0.103kWh 29.420kWh 10.386kWh
    2014 3.758MWh 2.577kWh/kW 3.758MWh 0.183kWh 28.200kWh 10.295kWh
    2013 3.825MWh 2.841kWh/kW 3.825MWh 0.047kWh 29.721kWh 10.480kWh
    2012 3.509MWh 2.400kWh/kW 3.509MWh 0.053kWh 28.150kWh 9.587kWh
    2011 406.643kWh 1.049kWh/kW 406.643kWh 0.276kWh 17.880kWh 4.192kWh Partial Year (97 days)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭zdragon


    my power consumption is 3200 kW/ year
    so 4kW panels can generate more than I need.

    pity all installers are offering 2kW systems without storage , would be the optimal solution for many consumers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭denismc


    zdragon wrote: »
    would you share the datat?
    daily generated and daily consumed?

    Some of my figures from last year, the system was installed in April.
    My wife is at home fulltime with 2 toddlers and I work shift so we probably get to use more during the day than the average family.

    My consumption from the grid hasn't decreased that much as the installation of the panels coincided with the arrival of twins! which increased my consumption quite a bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,326 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    zdragon wrote: »
    my power consumption is 3200 kW/ year
    so 4kW panels can generate more than I need.

    Your comment that "4kW panels will generate more than I need" gives the impression that you think it will reduce your bills by that same amount.... you realise the majority of it will go unused because you wont be at home utilising 4kW all day long and during the winter it will be generating close to "nothing".


    Maybe you do understand that but just want to make sure you do as that comment makes it look like you dont! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭niallers1


    I have a 4.2kw PV system with 5kwh battery. Since mid september I've only given away 22kwh to the grid for free.
    Summer will be difficult to store/use all. Will probably need to heat water with excess.

    Even with above setup i'd expect to have to buy about 1000kw/year from the grid.

    I'd love to see net metering or a decent feed in tariff .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,643 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    niallers1 wrote: »
    I have a 4.2kw PV system with 5kwh battery. Since mid september I've only given away 22kwh to the grid for free.

    How the hell did you manage to do that, do you have a very high background load or do you reckon the battery evens it all out?

    I wouldn't worry about the few hundred kWh you are likely to give away for free. Do not divert, it will only cost you money. If you don't mind me asking, what was your annual consumption in kWh before your system?

    I've a 4kwp system up and running since last weekend, next phase for me is maybe a battery...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭zdragon


    KCross wrote: »
    Your comment that "4kW panels will generate more than I need" gives the impression that you think it will reduce your bills by that same amount.... you realise the majority of it will go unused because you wont be at home utilising 4kW all day long and during the winter it will be generating close to "nothing".


    Maybe you do understand that but just want to make sure you do as that comment makes it look like you don't! :)
    I don't consider a system without battery. spending couple of thousands just to give away free energy, doesn't make sense at all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,643 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    zdragon wrote: »
    spending couple of thousands just to give away free energy, doesn't make sense at all

    giving away free energy could be cheaper than using a battery ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭niallers1


    unkel wrote: »
    How the hell did you manage to do that, do you have a very high background load or do you reckon the battery evens it all out?

    I wouldn't worry about the few hundred kWh you are likely to give away for free. Do not divert, it will only cost you money. If you don't mind me asking, what was your annual consumption in kWh before your system?

    I've a 4kwp system up and running since last weekend, next phase for me is maybe a battery...

    Battery definitely evens out things but in Summer I'll definitely end up giving away a lot of it even with the battery. I don't think I'll buy a diverter. Not sure if it would see the battery as generation and drain it too much. Will just flick on the immersion when I'm home if nothing else is consuming it.

    I also put my appliances on delayed start . Washing machine, dryer and dishwasher set to come on at different times helps make the most of the daylight.

    My consumption was about 3200kw/year but I have an electric car now and two daughters that will use a lot in the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,643 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I will be using pretty much 100% of my PV for the next month or two for my hobby which uses a lot of electricity. Towards the summer I will be phasing this hobby out, so I have a lot of spare capacity.

    I work more often than not from home and have an EV. So I'm contemplating a smart EV charger that sends excess production to the car. This would cost me 600 for the charger minus about 200 I'd get for my old charger, so just 400. Diverting to the car is worth 8c/kWh. Diverting to immersion is only worth 4c/kWh, so a poor return (and I already have solar thermal :p)

    Another thing I'm contemplating is an AC side battery, just the smallest unit to take advantage of the 1000 subsidy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    niallers1 wrote: »
    Battery definitely evens out things but in Summer I'll definitely end up giving away a lot of it even with the battery. I don't think I'll buy a diverter. Not sure if it would see the battery as generation and drain it too much. Will just flick on the immersion when I'm home if nothing else is consuming it.

    I also put my appliances on delayed start . Washing machine, dryer and dishwasher set to come on at different times helps make the most of the daylight.

    My consumption was about 3200kw/year but I have an electric car now and two daughters that will use a lot in the future.

    Turning the immersion on or off based on your pv producing excess won't be the most effective way if doing it. Say the element in your immersion is 3kw, that means if you are generating 1kw excess, you turn on your immersion, and now you are 2kw down.

    My understanding of the way the diverters work, is that they only send to the immersion the excess, so in the scenario above, 1ke excess goes to the element, and you won't be 2kw down .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭wexfordman2


    unkel wrote: »
    I will be using pretty much 100% of my PV for the next month or two for my hobby which uses a lot of electricity. Towards the summer I will be phasing this hobby out, so I have a lot of spare capacity.

    I work more often than not from home and have an EV. So I'm contemplating a smart EV charger that sends excess production to the car. This would cost me 600 for the charger minus about 200 I'd get for my old charger, so just 400. Diverting to the car is worth 8c/kWh. Diverting to immersion is only worth 4c/kWh, so a poor return (and I already have solar thermal :p)

    Another thing I'm contemplating is an AC side battery, just the smallest unit to take advantage of the 1000 subsidy

    Why is diverting to the immersion only 4c/kwh ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭niallers1


    Turning the immersion on or off based on your pv producing excess won't be the most effective way if doing it. Say the element in your immersion is 3kw, that means if you are generating 1kw excess, you turn on your immersion, and now you are 2kw down.

    My understanding of the way the diverters work, is that they only send to the immersion the excess, so in the scenario above, 1ke excess goes to the element, and you won't be 2kw down .

    If bright out the panels could generate most of the 3kw needed but even if they didn't the battery would supply the short fall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,643 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Why is diverting to the immersion only 4c/kwh ?

    Because instead of using the diverter, you can heat your water with an efficient gas or oil boiler (if you have one), which costs about 4c/kWh

    In a similar vein, charging your car (or running your dish washer) is worth 8c/kWh because instead of with solar PV, you could charge your car at night at the night rate, which costs 8c/kWh


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭niallers1


    Why is diverting to the immersion only 4c/kwh ?

    That's the price of Gas so you could just heat with gas as that is what you should be comparing with.


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