Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

Here’s hoping May gets sent packing sharpish from Brussels back to London. The Brits still seem to be under some sort of impression that they have the upper hand in these negotiations.

Shelga wrote: »

Why does no one EVER ask Arlene Foster or any of her cronies why in god's name they advocated a Leave vote? What possible advantages are there to Northern Ireland?

All I ever see is her bleating on about what she doesn't want. No one ever takes her to task about how NI leaving the EU is simply not compatible with the GFA. I know she doesn't care about the GFA, but it would be nice if she was pressed to admit it.

The DUP actually boil my blood.

Well, from their perspective the dup would welcome the hardest of hard borders with the ROI so hard Brexit is what they wish for

downcow wrote: »

I guess it must be cultural differences. To tell a group of people that they have a place reserved in hell is fairly incredible in my culture. But more than that it is arrogant and implies that eu are angels.
I am not upset about it. Indeed it shows cracks appearing in Eu earlier than I thought. I reckoned we wouldn’t see any moves until after the 14th but this clearly will create some pressure within Europe. I guess many in Eu will be highly embarrassed about his outburst.
So it’s positive for UK Let’s hope we get a few more irrational comments from Eu reps in the coming days

You are delusional.

Liars, con-men, snake oil salesmen and charlatans usually have a low place reserved for them in most cultures. It seems your 'culture', whatever that might be, doesn't consider them as such.

Cracks - lol

downcow wrote: »

I guess it must be cultural differences. To tell a group of people that they have a place reserved in hell is fairly incredible in my culture. But more than that it is arrogant and implies that eu are angels.
I am not upset about it. Indeed it shows cracks appearing in Eu earlier than I thought. I reckoned we wouldn’t see any moves until after the 14th but this clearly will create some pressure within Europe. I guess many in Eu will be highly embarrassed about his outburst.
So it’s positive for UK Let’s hope we get a few more irrational comments from Eu reps in the coming days

The gloves ore off Downcow. Tusk, Leo and the rest of the EU know the negociations are finished, the dye is cast.
They can do no diplomatic damage to the process anymore and can say as they feel.

And I would imagine the fools who went into this without a clue about what it meant are going to hear more of this.

downcow wrote: »

I guess it must be cultural differences. To tell a group of people that they have a place reserved in hell is fairly incredible in my culture.

What culture, and what group of people?

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Doesn't really explain why you'd go and decide to have a good auld laugh at them on social media though does it? At best it's unprofessional.

Like I said earlier, I don't get the rationale behind the exact language Tusk decided to use but I can understand why you'd want to send a strong message.

This bit from Verhofstadt just looks like you're trying to have a laugh at their expense though which is never a good look, and certainly not given his position concerning Brexit.

It is not aimed at May though and that is who is will be dealing with. It is very clever in that the only people that can be upset by it is the same people that can prove him wrong by showing their plan right now. Seeing as they are incredibly upset about it instead of proving him wrong by showing their plan or actually helping they are all just venting, which means he is right.

As for Verhofstadt, his posts is most likely in reaction to the reaction from the politicians feigning indignation. He is laughing at them getting upset at the truth, which is very funny to be honest.

downcow wrote: »

I guess it must be cultural differences. To tell a group of people that they have a place reserved in hell is fairly incredible in my culture. But more than that it is arrogant and implies that eu are angels.
I am not upset about it. Indeed it shows cracks appearing in Eu earlier than I thought. I reckoned we wouldn’t see any moves until after the 14th but this clearly will create some pressure within Europe. I guess many in Eu will be highly embarrassed about his outburst.
So it’s positive for UK Let’s hope we get a few more irrational comments from Eu reps in the coming days

You obviously are not getting it and have fallen for it. It is not aimed at you but you have been sold that it is. He is not saying you are going to hell, he is not the arbitrator of who is and who isn't going to hell either. What he is saying is those that lied to you and convinced you that leaving the EU is the best thing for you belongs in hell. People are going to die due to their lies, not on here, but because there will be less money for social services and people will lose their jobs and homes. Those that lied to ensure this happens can go and rot in hell in my opinion.

Hurrache wrote: »

What culture, and what group of people?

The group he sited. All those who campaigned for brexit.
Folks I know yous are giving me sh1t and I am on the edge with mods etc. But I challenge any of you to site anything untrue or disrespectful that I have said throughout this debate. I know that won’t save me as my view is contrary to the acceptable line here

downcow wrote: »

The group he sited. All those who campaigned for brexit.
Folks I know yous are giving me sh1t and I am on the edge with mods etc. But I challenge any of you to site anything untrue or disrespectful that I have said throughout this debate. I know that won’t save me as my view is contrary to the acceptable line here

You've lied several times over the last few pages about what tusk said.

So I'm having trouble with what you are presenting as fact.

It's disturbing

downcow wrote: »

If you really believe that then why did you need to add stuff he didn’t say to his quote to convince us

Because you seem to almost want to misinterpret what he said. If his very basic quote is not clear to you what he meant and people explaining it to you what he said doesn't clear it up then why are you posting about it on a discussion forum. You have made up your mind that you are personally offended by what Tusk has said and you are just venting now.

downcow wrote: »

How do you know that? While I was neutral. Many ordinary people in my community campaigned for brexit. I heard him clearly saying there was a place reserved for them in hell. Just look honestly at what he said!

You were not neutral, I think we have established that. You would have voted Leave which means you were not neutral. If you were your answer to how you would have voted would have been that you couldn't make up your mind so you wouldn't have voted.

I am getting short on patience here, but are you seriously suggesting that those that went on the streets to campaign should have had a plan according to Donald Tusk? Are you saying that someone like Owen Jones who is a major campaigner for Labour should be writing plans and policies for Labour when he goes out to campaign? Because the only way those that campaigned on the street was meant by Tusk as those that are somehow on his list for hell is if they personally write plans and policies for the DUP or the Tories.

Or do those that campaign usually get their reading material on what the plans are from the official campaigns before they go out? And are those campaigns not backed by the very people I have been telling you he meant? The likes of Hannan, Farage, Johnson and Gove?

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

You are misrepresenting his position

Look again at his comment. Quote it IN FULL please and add your observations.

I am honestly stunned. I think I have been completely honest. I have watched again and here is my best honest attempt at quoting him.

“I’ve been wondering, what a special place in hell looks like for those who promoted brexit without even a sketch of a plan”

Many many many of my friends promoted brexit. So please tell me how I am misunderstanding this. And he clearly read it from a prepare statement. As someone said to me on here earlier, wake up and smell the coffee.

downcow wrote: »

I am honestly stunned. I think I have been completely honest. I have watched again and here is my best honest attempt at quoting him.

“I’ve been wondering, what a special place in hell looks like for those who promoted brexit without even a sketch of a plan”

Many many many of my friends promoted brexit. So please tell me how I am misunderstanding this. And he clearly read it from a prepare statement. As someone said to me on here earlier, wake up and smell the coffee.

If they had a detailed plan as to how the UK would operate after Brexit, then obviously they weren't his target.