"TV License style rubbish inspections"

Renegade Mechanic · 04-02-2019 09:36PM

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

That must be a new record. Ffs

Meh. It is what it is

Dravokivich · 04-02-2019 09:36PM

Necro wrote: »

Ah we both know that realistically all the services should simply just be combined into a fee by the local council ala England (property tax, waste, water, etc). But we don't have that system here so we need some form of deterrent to the filthy pigs who don't dispose of their waste legally.

I'm not going to worry about those people who won't get receipts or sign up for a company, it'll shock them fairly quickly into doing so.

It wasn't that long ago that the council's did it here.

Necro · 04-02-2019 09:39PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

It wasn't that long ago that the council's did it here.

I don't really know why they moved away from that system tbh. As LirW says, these things need to be really regulated or you get the issues like what's happening all over the country at the moment.

Feisar · 04-02-2019 09:40PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

It wasn't that long ago that the council's did it here.

Why did that change do you know?

Dravokivich · 04-02-2019 09:40PM

Necro wrote: »

I don't really know why they moved away from that system tbh. As LirW says, these things need to be really regulated or you get the issues like what's happening all over the country at the moment.

But it already was regulated. Just not enough people to enforce it.

TallGlass · 04-02-2019 09:41PM

corner of hells wrote: »

One of waste collection showers made a pretty good attempt at trying to intimidate my elderly mother into continuing with a collection contract while she was living in a nursing home.

I eventually found out and pointed out that she wasn't a resident in her home.
One night I was in her home and two pox bottles turned up at the door to "check" up on who was living in her home.

Even me explaining to them where she was didn't satisfy the pricks .

A week letter a bin calendar and card arrived with details of her nee account was posted to her house.

So , then I rang them... explaining again that was a resident in a nursing home.

They rang back asking to speak to my father, I explained he was dead.

They rang back , between August and Christmas maybe 15 times.
They rang the night she died , they rang while I was buying a suit for the funeral.

Always the same conversation... Can we talk about the bin collections ... My reply " the house is empty , my father is frad and eventually both my parents are both dead ...

I'm waiting , just waiting for the next call.

This is another issue, needs a regulator or at least the EPA to take customer complaints from us.

freshpopcorn · 04-02-2019 09:43PM

I'd like to see all these bin companies regulated more.
Take for instance I've a vunerable relative who lies alone and produces very little rubbish.
He used go to the landfill/recycling place a few times a year.
A man from a well known company called to him and told him he was breaking the law and he would have to pass his details onto the council to fine him if he did not sign up to bins.
He know puts out bins ever fortnight with about a shopping bag in each of them.

I've no issue with the system once it's fair and regulated but no doubt the one's dumping the sofa's/washing machines in the ditch will still get away with it.

whisky_galore · 04-02-2019 09:43PM

Johnny Red Cab wrote: »

Ireland really has become a police state.

You wouldn't know a police state if it bit you on the hole.

decky1 · 04-02-2019 09:44PM

install a nice big stove in your home , burn everything, nice warm house. OH the glass bottles cut the tops off them keep your paint brushes in them with a drop of white spirit.Job done.

Johnny Red Cab · 04-02-2019 09:45PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

You wouldn't know a police state if it bit you on the hole.

Ah be compliant now, squeal on your neighbours. I know exactly what a police state is.

TallGlass · 04-02-2019 09:46PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Eh... theres very little going on to manage those services. It's been shown on RTE prime time either last year, or the year before that a lot of the improper waste management, is because of the minimal regulatory enforcement in place. This thing being pushed now, is just barking up the wrong tree.

That RTE showed, a few of the licenced operators up to no good, and one/two operators acting the harry more than once.

Rightly annoyed the ****e out of me, I go to the effort of cleaning, making sure the right stuff goes into the right bins. I would be a little annoyed if they chucked the recycle load and food bin load into landfill, I would be pissed if they dumped it into an illegal landfill.

I'm sure it happens from time to time for operational reasons (into legal landfill).

Dravokivich · 04-02-2019 09:46PM

Feisar wrote: »

Why did that change do you know?

I would have been early teens when that happened in my area, so not too read up on it. Trying to search now and I'm only finding complaints about it by "people before profit."

corner of hells · 04-02-2019 09:48PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'd like to see all these bin companies regulated more.
Take for instance I've an relative who lies alone and produces very little rubbish.
He used go to the landfill/recycling place a few times a year.
A man from a well known company called to him and told him he was breaking the law and he would have to pass his details onto the council to fine him if he did not sign up to bins.
He know puts out bins ever fortnight with about a shopping bag in each of them.

I've no issue with the system once it's fair and regulated but no doubt the one's dumping the sofa's/washing machines in the ditch will still get away with it.

Absolutely.
I'm suspicious of these companies and data , I doubt there's anything in this but when I eventually got through one of these poxes explaining that she was dead , a week later a letter arrived in her house requesting she get a TV license.

whisky_galore · 04-02-2019 09:48PM

Johnny Red Cab wrote: »

Ah be compliant now, squeal on your neighbours. I know exactly what a police state is.

Lol.
Sure you do.

TallGlass · 04-02-2019 09:49PM

Also, the government need to get off there arses and get the local authorities to sort out the cluster **** of the old landfill in Bray, it's literally be washed into the sea.

Necro · 04-02-2019 09:49PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I've no issue with the system once it's fair and regulated but no doubt the one's dumping the sofa's/washing machines in the ditch will still get away with it.

It's not just sofas/washing machines though. It's black bags full of household waste being fcuked out in the mountains, or in the woods, or if they're really feeling lazy out on the street.

And it's a serious problem that needs some form of deterrent.

Watching the dumping spots 24/7, putting up cameras - all these are grand but the filthbags are clever and the only way to hit them is to do it this way imo.

It's really simple, and no one is forcing anyone to sign up to anything.

Use a waste service - you're fine.
Use a recycling centre - get a receipt, and you're grand.

Those who refuse to do either, I just don't give two hoots about tbh. Fine them, repeatedly and as many times as possible till they see sense.

Plumbthedepths · 04-02-2019 09:49PM

14 years living in my present home. Never had a bin service nor will I. I go to the private waste facility once every 5/6 months with non recyclable waste. They keep a record of my car reg. All for this if it catches the gob****es that illegally dump particularly those fools that use Face Book rubbish removal cowboys.

starbaby2003 · 04-02-2019 09:52PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

I would have been early teens when that happened in my area, so not too read up on it. Trying to search now and I'm only finding complaints about it by "people before profit."

It was costing the councils too much as there was zero enforcement of people who didn’t pay their charges. Bins were still collected causing a domino effect of why should we pay ....
they were then sold off to private companies who would enforce payment or not collect and now we are here with a blighted countryside.

LirW · 04-02-2019 09:55PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I've no issue with the system once it's fair and regulated but no doubt the one's dumping the sofa's/washing machines in the ditch will still get away with it.

The issue is that very little happens to people and the disposal charge of appliances can be ridiculous.
There was a big issue when I was little that people would dump their appliances in the woods. It's now gone for two reasons: if you got caught (police patrolling everywhere) they'd fine you heavily and if you don't pay you'll go to court and there will be consequences like you could lose your rental, you might not get a job or welfare payments anymore or could spend a few weeks in prison.
Second measure was to make the disposal of appliances free, literally. The one waste company has a big recycling center where you can bring sorted rubbish, appliances, chemicals, batteries, old paint and dispose of it for free.
Bulky items like old furniture, old metal etc and sorted garden cuttings cost 4 Euro per 200kg.

That together with some kind of council tax that pays bins got rid of the problem and dumping/flytipping is frowned upon, since it's more or less free to get rid of it.

Ubbquittious · 04-02-2019 09:56PM

LirW wrote: »

I'd be so in favour of that, a lot of European countries have the same in place. Everyone gets their bins, areas have one assigned collector that's semi- private. All you gotta do is wheeling your bins out to the front. If you stuff the wrong stuff in, you'll get a warning or penalties.
Waste is one of the things that if you really wanna get in control of the issue, you need to have strict rules.
The current system is not sustainable.

I wouldnt. It was bad enough that they brought in property tax and I dont need any expensive bin service. Gives people no incentive not to waste either

_Kaiser_ · 04-02-2019 09:57PM

I live alone and generate an 80L bag of rubbish every fortnight or so (almost all of which is packaging), which I dispose of in a big compactor bin at a petrol station once I have 4 of them. They're stored outside in a wheelie bin until then.

Costs about €16 for the 4 bags, every 2 months-ish... compare that to a minimum of €30 monthly for 3 bins I don't need. Only 2 companies serving the area and they have a nice little deal going between them.

Fann Linn · 04-02-2019 09:59PM

LirW wrote: »

The issue is that very little happens to people and the disposal charge of appliances can be ridiculous.
There was a big issue when I was little that people would dump their appliances in the woods. It's now gone for two reasons: if you got caught (police patrolling everywhere) they'd fine you heavily and if you don't pay you'll go to court and there will be consequences like you could lose your rental, you might not get a job or welfare payments anymore or could spend a few weeks in prison.
Second measure was to make the disposal of appliances free, literally. The one waste company has a big recycling center where you can bring sorted rubbish, appliances, chemicals, batteries, old paint and dispose of it for free.
Bulky items like old furniture, old metal etc and sorted garden cuttings cost 4 Euro per 200kg.

That together with some kind of council tax that pays bins got rid of the problem and dumping/flytipping is frowned upon, since it's more or less free to get rid of it.

All electrical items are free to dispose of in civic amenity sites and yet ye still see tvs, washing machines, hoovers etc dumped on the sides of roads.
Some people are just cnuts.

freshpopcorn · 04-02-2019 10:04PM

Necro wrote: »

It's not just sofas/washing machines though. It's black bags full of household waste being fcuked out in the mountains, or in the woods, or if they're really feeling lazy out on the street.

And it's a serious problem that needs some form of deterrent.

Watching the dumping spots 24/7, putting up cameras - all these are grand but the filthbags are clever and the only way to hit them is to do it this way imo.

It's really simple, and no one is forcing anyone to sign up to anything.

Use a waste service - you're fine.
Use a recycling centre - get a receipt, and you're grand.

Those who refuse to do either, I just don't give two hoots about tbh. Fine them, repeatedly and as many times as possible till they see sense.

I just used sofa/washing machines as an example. I see carious things in drains/etc It often floods our road/farm because of drains getting blocked.

I just feel sorry for people who bin share/etc who make an effort to recycle/etc.Who may end up with an expensive monthly bill.

LirW · 04-02-2019 10:04PM

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I wouldnt. It was bad enough that they brought in property tax and I dont need any expensive bin service. Gives people no incentive not to waste either

I believe rubbish is one of these things where you can't control the issue if you're not having a general plan in place. As it stands there are a variety of private companies out there that charge hefty rates, so single people like you for example don't use it. People that don't wanna pay simply flytip or burn it in their fireplaces.
Why can't there be one company that services an area with one big recycling center?

How can this ever get better? Pay a council tax that includes property tax, waste and water and everyone has access to bins that will be emptied without this tiring argument "but I only produce a teacup of rubbish." Doesn't matter, the country faces a huge issue with people dumping, flytipping and assaulting staff on trucks because they don't wanna sort their bins out.

freshpopcorn · 04-02-2019 10:07PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

All electrical items are free to dispose of in civic amenity sites and yet ye still see tvs, washing machines, hoovers etc dumped on the sides of roads.
Some people are just cnuts.

You can go out of your way for some people provide resources/etc with them and they'll never have respect for the law or care.

Ubbquittious · 04-02-2019 10:08PM

LirW wrote: »

I believe rubbish is one of these things where you can't control the issue if you're not having a general plan in place. As it stands there are a variety of private companies out there that charge hefty rates, so single people like you for example don't use it. People that don't wanna pay simply flytip or burn it in their fireplaces.
Why can't there be one company that services an area with one big recycling center?

How can this ever get better? Pay a council tax that includes property tax, waste and water and everyone has access to bins that will be emptied without this tiring argument "but I only produce a teacup of rubbish." Doesn't matter, the country faces a huge issue with people dumping, flytipping and assaulting staff on trucks because they don't wanna sort their bins out.

There are several recycling centres I use and they work grand. No need for another bloody tax. Im sh1t sick of being punished for someone elses crimes. Too hard allegedly to catch the fellas dumping by the side of the road so they punish the normal folk instead. Much softer target

LirW · 04-02-2019 10:10PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

You can go out of your way for some people provide resources/etc with them and they'll never have respect for the law or care.

Because they won't get into trouble. If you impose heavy fines and won't let people get away with these shenanigans in court, people have something to lose. But that's for another thread.

screamer · 04-02-2019 10:11PM

How are people who share bins going to prove that they do? We have a massive bin at my parents and 3 houses genuinely use it. How are we going to prove that? The bin account is in my parents name.

LirW · 04-02-2019 10:13PM

Ubbquittious wrote: »

There are several recycling centres I use and they work grand. No need for another bloody tax. Im sh1t sick of being punished for someone elses crimes. Too hard allegedly to catch the fellas dumping by the side of the road so they punish the normal folk instead. Much softer target

I think there is a misconception that it's only the dolers4life that do it. That's not the case, plenty of "normal" people that don't give a toss. It's a national problem, the place is dirty. You and me dispose of our rubbish correctly but others don't and the ditches all over the country are filled with rubbish.
So what do we do about that?

freshpopcorn · 04-02-2019 10:14PM

screamer wrote: »

How are people who share bins going to prove that they do? We have a massive bin at my parents and 3 houses genuinely use it. How are we going to prove that? The bin account is in my parents name.

That's hard to know.
Maybe bin companies could allow people pay with different cards online or something.(If that makes sense)

"TV License style rubbish inspections"

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