"TV License style rubbish inspections"

Ubbquittious

Just saw on the 6.1 news that our overlords are going ahead with foisting this upon us. Wonder how this is going to affect me as I'm one of those pesky refuseniks who won't give KWD, Panda, C*nt tree clean & friends a few 100 quid a year to collect my bins..and I know several more like me

Brought 4 months of rubbish to the local civic amenity site the other day. No receipt. It was nearly 100% clean plastic wrapping most of which I never wanted in the first place. The gas thing is the lad at the amenity centre said all this plastic is incinerated along with domestic waste and you throw the normal domestic waste into the same receptacle. The same lad checks the contents of the bag and charges you if it's normal rubbish. Presumably this is a measure to help keep the private waste companies in business.

Even if I get a receipt will one every 4 months be enough to be left alone? I can see this measure being used by the private waste collectors to intimidate old biddies into taking a costly subscription. Bad news. I see they are using eircodes too to implement this - I knew from day 1 that these bloody eircodes were to be used for implementing more government monitoring and interference

Don't dump illegally and you'll be fine. If we didn't have an anti-social element in this country our "overlords" wouldn't have to bother. Your anger is misplaced.

Flyingsnowball

Remember when they said it’s only a couple of euro a week what’s the big deal?

We will be hearing that again for the wet stuff soon.

Ubbquittious

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don't dump illegally and you'll be fine. If we didn't have an anti-social element in this country our "overlords" wouldn't have to bother. Your anger is misplaced.

Ah but now they are making it so you have to prove you are dumping legitimately. How do you do it if you produce very little rubbish or you dump it very infrequently?

Your Face

Slow down and start from the beginning.

Renegade Mechanic

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don't dump illegally and you'll be fine. If we didn't have an anti-social element in this country our "overlords" wouldn't have to bother. Your anger is misplaced.

Yes but the "anti social element" filing our rural ditches with ****ing nappies aren't going to be touched anyway :rolleyes:

KilOit

I'm the same. I organize my rubbish into paper and plastic, all food goes in the food disposal so can get a good 2-3 months without going to the dump.
Never get a receipt but i will now

jam_mac_jam

Brilliant might stop all the dirty pigs fly tipping so much. Genuine people can just get a receipt anyway.

jam_mac_jam

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don't dump illegally and you'll be fine. If we didn't have an anti-social element in this country our "overlords" wouldn't have to bother. Your anger is misplaced.

Yes but the "anti social element" filing our rural ditches with ****ing nappies aren't going to be touched anyway :rolleyes:

That must be a new record. Ffs

Dravokivich

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Brilliant might stop all the dirty pigs fly tipping so much. Genuine people can just get a receipt anyway.

It doesnt change anything. Just means people have to keep those receipts. So they are going to inspect the people who weren't an issue? It's nonsense.

meeeeh

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Brilliant might stop all the dirty pigs fly tipping so much. Genuine people can just get a receipt anyway.

One would hope. I live next to local woods. The scum dumped everything from mattresses to empty bottles there. Council cleaned it up, widened the parking area and it's attracting more than just the locals now. It took a few weeks before Costa cups, McDonald's cartons and beer bottles started to appear. Nothing would make me happier than if someone would caught scum like that and put them into forced labour collecting rubbish. Wardens should be allowed to use whips on anyone slacking.

the dark phantom

A load of hot air, It won't be implemented properly.

Roger Hassenforder

Dravokivich wrote: »

Just means people have to keep those receipts. So they are going to inspect the people who weren't an issue? It's nonsense.

They'll just cross reference the customer databases of waste service providers and identify houses without any service. Just keep your receipts and you'll be grand.

IIRC something like 20% of houses dont subscribe to any waste collection service. A % of those are the fcukers filling the ditches with crap.

whisky_galore

Because tv licence inspections are so effective. *roll eyes*
Just an excuse to let a few people with clipboards run around knocking on doors with minimal results. Perhaps if they lay in wait at litter blackspots to catch fcukers red handed and slap heavy fines might put manners on people.

Necro

It's a great idea imo, something needs to be done about the absolute filthbags fly tipping around the country, in tourist spots, on streets, on the side of the road. Anyone legitimately paying for the disposal of their rubbish has nothing to fear. The others...

fcuk them to be quite honest.

LirW

Ah yeah, then they just burn it in their fireplace like that lovely neighbour of mine who refuses to get a bin because apparently everyone in rural Ireland just burns their rubbish.

banie01

There is a serious issue to my mind with one being required to present proof of not committing an offense.
It invalidates the presumption of innocence that one is entitled too.

Similarly with these inspections, what basis is there for a council official to gain access to a residential premises to inspect or demand bins and receipts.

What legislative basis is there for bin companies to share their customer lists and allow a 3rd party collate a list of those not registered?
How does that reconcile with GDPR?

If a Guard needs a warrant, surely a jobsworth needs some more legislative authority than a council clipboard?

Dravokivich

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

They'll just cross reference the customer databases of waste service providers and identify houses without any service. Just keep your receipts and you'll be grand.

IIRC something like 20% of houses dont subscribe to any waste collection service. A % of those are the fcukers filling the ditches with crap.

That's just assuming guilt and putting the burden on someone to prove otherwise. I also recall that a lot of the issues with waste management is the lack of enforcing regulations with the companies providing those services. Especially to rural customers. They are looking in the wrong direction if they think this will be affective.

Fann Linn

banie01 wrote: »

There is a serious issue to my mind with one being required to present proof of not committing an offense.
It invalidates the presumption of innocence that one is entitled too.

Similarly with these inspections, what basis is there for a council official to gain access to a residential premises to inspect or demand bins and receipts.

What legislative basis is there for bin companies to share their customer lists and allow a 3rd party collate a list of those not registered?
How does that reconcile with GDPR?

If a Guard needs a warrant, surely a jobsworth needs some more legislative authority than a council clipboard?

1996 Waste Mgt Act plus the new bye laws will cover all of your concerns.

Necro

Dravokivich wrote: »

That's just assuming guilt and putting the burden on someone to prove otherwise. I also recall that a lot of the issues with waste management is the lack of enforcing regulations with the companies providing those services. Especially to rural customers. They are looking in the wrong direction if they think this will be affective.

Anything that acts as a deterrent to the scourge of fly-tipping is good imo.

Again, if people are disposing of their waste legally either by a service or a centre, then they have nothing to fear.

I don't care about the others. Can't prove it? Tough. Pay the fine.

banie01

Fann Linn wrote: »

1996 Waste Mgt Act plus the new bye laws will cover all of your concerns.

That's my reading for the evening sorted

Gravelly

It’ll be a cluster **** like these things always are in this country. It’ll cost millions to implement, and will consist of council employees harassing good citizens who reduce their waste and recycle, while the usual suspects dumping transit van loads of rubbish on the side of quiet country roads won’t be touched.

TallGlass

It's pure and utter lazyness most of the dumping simple as that, there is no excuse for it.

Looking at the stuff that is been dumped, it's clear that at a guess 85/90% of the 'rubbish' is recyclable. That stuff any bring centre will take for free if these lazy ****ers bothered there arse to separate it. The rest would cost 4€ or so, or if really stuck for 'cash' small bag of stuff into a local bin.

Dravokivich

Necro wrote: »

Anything that acts as a deterrent to the scourge of fly-tipping is good imo.

Again, if people are disposing of their waste legally either by a service or a centre, then they have nothing to fear.

I don't care about the others. Can't prove it? Tough. Pay the fine.

Eh... theres very little going on to manage those services. It's been shown on RTE prime time either last year, or the year before that a lot of the improper waste management, is because of the minimal regulatory enforcement in place. This thing being pushed now, is just barking up the wrong tree.

Johnny Red Cab

Ireland really has become a police state.

Fann Linn

Gravelly wrote: »

It’ll be a cluster **** like these things always are in this country. It’ll cost millions to implement, and will consist of council employees harassing good citizens who reduce their waste and recycle, while the usual suspects dumping transit van loads of rubbish on the side of quiet country roads won’t be touched.

Can't really see it costing millions. Waste companies will hand over their lists of customers, plus the local authorities will know their own customers using their Civic Amenities. Just a matter then of filling in the gaps.

Where I'm living now there are 5 homes who never put out bins. Now they could be using a vetifiable way of disposal but if they're not it won't take a rocket scientest for them to be getting 'the knock on the door.'

Gravelly

Fann Linn wrote: »

Can't really see it costing millions. Waste companies will hand over their lists of customers, plus the local authorities will know their own customers using their Civic Amenities. Just a matter then of filling in the gaps

Have a look at any public project in Ireland.
It’ll cost millions.

LirW

Johnny Red Cab wrote: »

Ireland really has become a police state.

Oh boy, you have no idea.

Necro

Dravokivich wrote: »

Eh... theres very little going on to manage those services. It's been shown on RTE prime time either last year, or the year before that a lot of the improper waste management, is because of the minimal regulatory enforcement in place. This thing being pushed now, is just barking up the wrong tree.

Ah we both know that realistically all the services should simply just be combined into a fee by the local council ala England (property tax, waste, water, etc). But we don't have that system here so we need some form of deterrent to the filthy pigs who don't dispose of their waste legally.

I'm not going to worry about those people who won't get receipts or sign up for a company, it'll shock them fairly quickly into doing so.

corner of hells

One of waste collection showers made a pretty good attempt at trying to intimidate my elderly mother into continuing with a collection contract while she was living in a nursing home.

I eventually found out and pointed out that she wasn't a resident in her home.
One night I was in her home and two pox bottles turned up at the door to "check" up on who was living in her home.

Even me explaining to them where she was didn't satisfy the pricks .

A week letter a bin calendar and card arrived with details of her nee account was posted to her house.

So , then I rang them... explaining again that was a resident in a nursing home.

They rang back asking to speak to my father, I explained he was dead.

They rang back , between August and Christmas maybe 15 times.
They rang the night she died , they rang while I was buying a suit for the funeral.

Always the same conversation... Can we talk about the bin collections ... My reply " the house is empty , my father is frad and eventually both my parents are both dead ...

I'm waiting , just waiting for the next call.

LirW

Necro wrote: »

Ah we both know that realistically all the services should simply just be combined into a fee by the local council ala England (property tax, waste, water, etc). But we don't have that system here so we need some form of deterrent to the filthy pigs who don't dispose of their waste legally.

I'd be so in favour of that, a lot of European countries have the same in place. Everyone gets their bins, areas have one assigned collector that's semi- private. All you gotta do is wheeling your bins out to the front. If you stuff the wrong stuff in, you'll get a warning or penalties.
Waste is one of the things that if you really wanna get in control of the issue, you need to have strict rules.
The current system is not sustainable.

Renegade Mechanic

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

That must be a new record. Ffs

Meh. It is what it is

Dravokivich

Necro wrote: »

Ah we both know that realistically all the services should simply just be combined into a fee by the local council ala England (property tax, waste, water, etc). But we don't have that system here so we need some form of deterrent to the filthy pigs who don't dispose of their waste legally.

I'm not going to worry about those people who won't get receipts or sign up for a company, it'll shock them fairly quickly into doing so.

It wasn't that long ago that the council's did it here.

Necro

Dravokivich wrote: »

It wasn't that long ago that the council's did it here.

I don't really know why they moved away from that system tbh. As LirW says, these things need to be really regulated or you get the issues like what's happening all over the country at the moment.

Feisar

Dravokivich wrote: »

It wasn't that long ago that the council's did it here.

Why did that change do you know?

Dravokivich

Necro wrote: »

I don't really know why they moved away from that system tbh. As LirW says, these things need to be really regulated or you get the issues like what's happening all over the country at the moment.

But it already was regulated. Just not enough people to enforce it.

TallGlass

corner of hells wrote: »

One of waste collection showers made a pretty good attempt at trying to intimidate my elderly mother into continuing with a collection contract while she was living in a nursing home.

I eventually found out and pointed out that she wasn't a resident in her home.
One night I was in her home and two pox bottles turned up at the door to "check" up on who was living in her home.

Even me explaining to them where she was didn't satisfy the pricks .

A week letter a bin calendar and card arrived with details of her nee account was posted to her house.

So , then I rang them... explaining again that was a resident in a nursing home.

They rang back asking to speak to my father, I explained he was dead.

They rang back , between August and Christmas maybe 15 times.
They rang the night she died , they rang while I was buying a suit for the funeral.

Always the same conversation... Can we talk about the bin collections ... My reply " the house is empty , my father is frad and eventually both my parents are both dead ...

I'm waiting , just waiting for the next call.

This is another issue, needs a regulator or at least the EPA to take customer complaints from us.

freshpopcorn

I'd like to see all these bin companies regulated more.
Take for instance I've a vunerable relative who lies alone and produces very little rubbish.
He used go to the landfill/recycling place a few times a year.
A man from a well known company called to him and told him he was breaking the law and he would have to pass his details onto the council to fine him if he did not sign up to bins.
He know puts out bins ever fortnight with about a shopping bag in each of them.

I've no issue with the system once it's fair and regulated but no doubt the one's dumping the sofa's/washing machines in the ditch will still get away with it.

whisky_galore

Johnny Red Cab wrote: »

Ireland really has become a police state.

You wouldn't know a police state if it bit you on the hole.

decky1

install a nice big stove in your home , burn everything, nice warm house. OH the glass bottles cut the tops off them keep your paint brushes in them with a drop of white spirit.Job done.

Johnny Red Cab

whisky_galore wrote: »

You wouldn't know a police state if it bit you on the hole.

Ah be compliant now, squeal on your neighbours. I know exactly what a police state is.

TallGlass

Dravokivich wrote: »

Eh... theres very little going on to manage those services. It's been shown on RTE prime time either last year, or the year before that a lot of the improper waste management, is because of the minimal regulatory enforcement in place. This thing being pushed now, is just barking up the wrong tree.

That RTE showed, a few of the licenced operators up to no good, and one/two operators acting the harry more than once.

Rightly annoyed the ****e out of me, I go to the effort of cleaning, making sure the right stuff goes into the right bins. I would be a little annoyed if they chucked the recycle load and food bin load into landfill, I would be pissed if they dumped it into an illegal landfill.

I'm sure it happens from time to time for operational reasons (into legal landfill).

Dravokivich

Feisar wrote: »

Why did that change do you know?

I would have been early teens when that happened in my area, so not too read up on it. Trying to search now and I'm only finding complaints about it by "people before profit."

corner of hells

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'd like to see all these bin companies regulated more.
Take for instance I've an relative who lies alone and produces very little rubbish.
He used go to the landfill/recycling place a few times a year.
A man from a well known company called to him and told him he was breaking the law and he would have to pass his details onto the council to fine him if he did not sign up to bins.
He know puts out bins ever fortnight with about a shopping bag in each of them.

I've no issue with the system once it's fair and regulated but no doubt the one's dumping the sofa's/washing machines in the ditch will still get away with it.

Absolutely.
I'm suspicious of these companies and data , I doubt there's anything in this but when I eventually got through one of these poxes explaining that she was dead , a week later a letter arrived in her house requesting she get a TV license.

whisky_galore

Johnny Red Cab wrote: »

Ah be compliant now, squeal on your neighbours. I know exactly what a police state is.

Lol.
Sure you do.

TallGlass

Also, the government need to get off there arses and get the local authorities to sort out the cluster **** of the old landfill in Bray, it's literally be washed into the sea.

Necro

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I've no issue with the system once it's fair and regulated but no doubt the one's dumping the sofa's/washing machines in the ditch will still get away with it.

It's not just sofas/washing machines though. It's black bags full of household waste being fcuked out in the mountains, or in the woods, or if they're really feeling lazy out on the street.

And it's a serious problem that needs some form of deterrent.

Watching the dumping spots 24/7, putting up cameras - all these are grand but the filthbags are clever and the only way to hit them is to do it this way imo.

It's really simple, and no one is forcing anyone to sign up to anything.

Use a waste service - you're fine.
Use a recycling centre - get a receipt, and you're grand.

Those who refuse to do either, I just don't give two hoots about tbh. Fine them, repeatedly and as many times as possible till they see sense.

Plumbthedepths

14 years living in my present home. Never had a bin service nor will I. I go to the private waste facility once every 5/6 months with non recyclable waste. They keep a record of my car reg. All for this if it catches the gob****es that illegally dump particularly those fools that use Face Book rubbish removal cowboys.

starbaby2003

Dravokivich wrote: »

I would have been early teens when that happened in my area, so not too read up on it. Trying to search now and I'm only finding complaints about it by "people before profit."

It was costing the councils too much as there was zero enforcement of people who didn’t pay their charges. Bins were still collected causing a domino effect of why should we pay ....
they were then sold off to private companies who would enforce payment or not collect and now we are here with a blighted countryside.

LirW

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I've no issue with the system once it's fair and regulated but no doubt the one's dumping the sofa's/washing machines in the ditch will still get away with it.

The issue is that very little happens to people and the disposal charge of appliances can be ridiculous.
There was a big issue when I was little that people would dump their appliances in the woods. It's now gone for two reasons: if you got caught (police patrolling everywhere) they'd fine you heavily and if you don't pay you'll go to court and there will be consequences like you could lose your rental, you might not get a job or welfare payments anymore or could spend a few weeks in prison.
Second measure was to make the disposal of appliances free, literally. The one waste company has a big recycling center where you can bring sorted rubbish, appliances, chemicals, batteries, old paint and dispose of it for free.
Bulky items like old furniture, old metal etc and sorted garden cuttings cost 4 Euro per 200kg.

That together with some kind of council tax that pays bins got rid of the problem and dumping/flytipping is frowned upon, since it's more or less free to get rid of it.

Ubbquittious

LirW wrote: »

I'd be so in favour of that, a lot of European countries have the same in place. Everyone gets their bins, areas have one assigned collector that's semi- private. All you gotta do is wheeling your bins out to the front. If you stuff the wrong stuff in, you'll get a warning or penalties.
Waste is one of the things that if you really wanna get in control of the issue, you need to have strict rules.
The current system is not sustainable.

I wouldnt. It was bad enough that they brought in property tax and I dont need any expensive bin service. Gives people no incentive not to waste either