Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

It wasnt me123 · 02-02-2019 02:53PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Perhaps it's time that this country seriously looked at taking children away from parents who can't or won't bring them up within the law.

No, there's nowhere to put them for a start and like another poster said, they tried that before and then treated the poor children as slaves and abused them.

The problem isn't with the children but with the parents.

Cap child benefit at 3/4 children
Link it to school attendance - if you don't go to school you don't get it.
Take away the incentive for people to have more children than they can responsibly feed, house, clothe and educate. do not give them more money, under any circumstances. If you can't afford them, don't have them.
Anyone on any social welfare payment must have a minimum of education. If you can't read and write, then to get the dole/single mothers payment etc, you must attend a literacy/numeracy class until you have reached a minimum standard. No class / no money.
Incentivise all social welfare recipients to work. Not just travellers.

tuxy · 02-02-2019 03:04PM

Anyone interested in reading the first PHD thesis by an Irish traveller?

https://ulir.ul.ie/bitstream/handle/10344/7535/Joyce_2018_Minceirs.pdf

Gravelly · 02-02-2019 03:05PM

tuxy wrote: »

Anyone interested in reading the first PHD thesis by an Irish traveller?

https://ulir.ul.ie/bitstream/handle/10344/7535/Joyce_2018_Minceirs.pdf

Is it all about the evil white man?

SSr0 · 02-02-2019 03:08PM

tuxy wrote: »

Anyone interested in reading the first PHD thesis by an Irish traveller?

https://ulir.ul.ie/bitstream/handle/10344/7535/Joyce_2018_Minceirs.pdf

I couldn't get past the introduction, absolute nonsense-

"The virulent racism which we Travellers experience in Ireland is well documented (see
McVeigh 2007 and 2012, Black 2005 and Hopkins 2007a and 2007b). Focusing on young
Travellers, this thesis reveals that the effects of racism and discrimination on our lives
extends to how urban space is experienced and to restrictions on our movement through
and use of both public and commercial space. Through original empirical research, I
identify the racialised boundaries which restrict our ability to activate our right to the city,
and I reveal their character as socially constructed, policed and governed. My research
reveals ways in which the majority culture and the State produce space as exclusionary
for us."

Gravelly · 02-02-2019 03:11PM

SSr0 wrote: »

I couldn't get past the introduction, absolute nonsense-

"The virulent racism which we Travellers experience in Ireland is well documented (see
McVeigh 2007 and 2012, Black 2005 and Hopkins 2007a and 2007b). Focusing on young
Travellers, this thesis reveals that the effects of racism and discrimination on our lives
extends to how urban space is experienced and to restrictions on our movement through
and use of both public and commercial space. Through original empirical research, I
identify the racialised boundaries which restrict our ability to activate our right to the city,
and I reveal their character as socially constructed, policed and governed. My research
reveals ways in which the majority culture and the State produce space as exclusionary
for us."

Yup, seems it is all about the evil white man. Surprise, surprise.

AllForIt · 02-02-2019 03:19PM

tuxy wrote: »

Anyone interested in reading the first PHD thesis by an Irish traveller?

https://ulir.ul.ie/bitstream/handle/10344/7535/Joyce_2018_Minceirs.pdf

The first thesis by a traveller, about travellers. Couldn't possibly be biased at all.

Incidentally there was a thread on AH some while ago about a traveller woman who graduated from Uni. The point of the thread was to show that travellers weren't thick.

I didn't comment on the thread because I thought the whole thread absurd. We want them to go to Uni/College and get an education. They have ever option to do that under the Back To Education Allowance scheme just like everyone else has, if they are so driven. The absurdity of the thread was it proved they were intelligent when they want to be, so what that infers is they are fully capable just like very else but don't bother!

Wanderer2010 · 02-02-2019 03:23PM

Is this thread still about Margaret Cash? If so, its a MASSIVE ego boost for her to see her name bobbing about in one of the most active threads on AH. No doubt she checks up on it daily and this is just rewarding her attention seeking.

Ash.J.Williams · 02-02-2019 03:28PM

dermo888 wrote: »

I'm of the opinion Margaret Cash is quite possibly the best thing the 'Alt Right' and potential racists have seen in over a decade.

Almost immediately they can hold her up as a shining example, and this will be used/abused to denigrate and belittle Welfare recipients, Direct Provision claimants, Housing Assistance claimants and the whole ethos and essence of the Welfare State system.

Its true that the Travelling Community DO experience discrimination and have problems. Its down to them to try and solve it, but they can't do it alone. They've to be 'guided' in a sense to a path that is respectful of societal norms, that hard work has just rewards, gains respect in the eyes of your peers and the community as a whole.

But thats going to take time, and for many - the time was yesterday, ten years ago, twenty years ago, and sadly - not much has changed. The same problems are still there, the poverty, the alcoholism, the violence, the general disregard for the rule of law. The abject criminality. Frankly - people's patience ran out, and ran out a long time ago. We tried kindness, love, tolerance, and it has'nt got us very far.

Some of the most heinous nasty crude racist right wing views are held against these fellow citizens of Ireland. I can't repeat them here. I don't want to. They sicken me to the core. I would'nt permit such views to be espoused in front of me about Jews or Homosexuals, so I can't allow it for Travellers either, even if my experiences with Travellers has'nt always been positive or enriching.

And so, we'll go around in circles. The failure is generational, and will be repeated. What chance do her children have? She's doing her best to be a good mother, but its only a matter of time before those children end up repeating the same mistakes. Thats less than two decades away, and the Ireland of that time won't be so tolerant or accepting of nonsense like that.

If I met a Jew or a homosexual on my land I'd be mildly intrigued as to how they found themselves there if it was a traveller I'd immediately make a phone call home to ensure all gates are locked and doors and sheds are secured and rightly so.

tuxy · 02-02-2019 03:53PM

Perhaps the MA thesis would be of interest?

deaddonkey15 · 02-02-2019 04:34PM

SSr0 wrote: »

I couldn't get past the introduction, absolute nonsense-

"The virulent racism which we Travellers experience in Ireland is well documented (see
McVeigh 2007 and 2012, Black 2005 and Hopkins 2007a and 2007b). Focusing on young
Travellers, this thesis reveals that the effects of racism and discrimination on our lives
extends to how urban space is experienced and to restrictions on our movement through
and use of both public and commercial space. Through original empirical research, I
identify the racialised boundaries which restrict our ability to activate our right to the city,
and I reveal their character as socially constructed, policed and governed. My research
reveals ways in which the majority culture and the State produce space as exclusionary
for us."

"
1:3 Positionality

I came to this research as a result of my own personal experiences as a Traveller. I was born on a snowy November day when my mother had to bring me back to a small cold trailer at the side of a road in Swansea, Wales. The address written on my birth cert clearly states the name of the road and a number on the caravan (we were not the only family there) which immediately exposes by identity as a Traveller. We were fully nomadic Travellers for a few years. Moving around Britain, we experienced the 'move, shift, go' attitude and eventually moved into a high rise flat (similar to Grenfell) in the centre of London City."

Sums up the objectivity of this thesis I would say.

It wasnt me123 · 02-02-2019 04:40PM

tuxy wrote: »

Anyone interested in reading the first PHD thesis by an Irish traveller?

https://ulir.ul.ie/bitstream/handle/10344/7535/Joyce_2018_Minceirs.pdf

Why I don't agree with all their problems are due to racism but fair dues, its well written, good grammar, 211 pages, well referenced etc.

She should be proud of her efforts, a great achievement.

That said I don't agree with her conclusions. She has just referenced information that agrees with her preconceived idea of racism - I'm sure if I could be bothered I could find as many references on the laziness, criminalisation and thuggery of travellers. Swings and roundabouts but the more the travellers become educated they won't settle for a dirty life in a caravan.

tuxy · 02-02-2019 05:52PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

She should be proud of her efforts, a great achievement.

Absolutely, especially considering two of her siblings committed suicide.
It's a shame her original plan to become a teacher didn't work out.
A teacher from her background could make a real difference working in the right community.
I'm not sure working as an atavist is as beneficial.

Paddy Cow · 02-02-2019 07:25PM

SSr0 wrote: »

I couldn't get past the introduction, absolute nonsense-

"The virulent racism which we Travellers experience in Ireland is well documented (see
McVeigh 2007 and 2012, Black 2005 and Hopkins 2007a and 2007b). Focusing on young
Travellers, this thesis reveals that the effects of racism and discrimination on our lives
extends to how urban space is experienced and to restrictions on our movement through
and use of both public and commercial space. Through original empirical research, I
identify the racialised boundaries which restrict our ability to activate our right to the city,
and I reveal their character as socially constructed, policed and governed. My research
reveals ways in which the majority culture and the State produce space as exclusionary
for us."

Who signed off on this? From the start it's completely biased. It begins on the presumption of discrimination. If you go looking for a conclusion and base your research around it, you will find it. If she had been willing to look at everything objectively, I would take her seriously but this is nonsense.

Plus can we put a stop to this fallacy that they are a different race? There are three major races - black, white and asian. Last time I checked Travellers were white, just like the majority of Ireland. Being granted ethnic status does not make them a different race. You'd think someone with a PhD would understand that basic concept!

tretorn · 02-02-2019 07:43PM

Agree Paddy Cow and if the snippet is an example of the standard of the thesis then its a waste of time and it wouldnt have been accepted as a proposal from a non traveller.

Re the use of public space, has she any comment on the travellers carry on in New Zealand and the state they left the beach in.

If the virulent racism is already well documented then the last thing we need is someone availing of a free university education to print more of the same stuff.

padd b1975 · 02-02-2019 07:52PM

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Is this thread still about Margaret Cash? If so, its a MASSIVE ego boost for her to see her name bobbing about in one of the most active threads on AH. No doubt she checks up on it daily and this is just rewarding her attention seeking.

It's not as if she's busy in gainful employment so you're probably right.

tuxy · 02-02-2019 07:56PM

tretorn wrote: »

Agree Paddy Cow and if the snippet is an example of the standard of the thesis then its a waste of time and it wouldnt have been accepted as a proposal from a non traveller.

What do you think of her masters thesis? 10 pages long and on the exact same topic.
The PHD thesis is a massive step up from that.

keepalive213 · 02-02-2019 08:14PM

Why do travellers call each other "countryman" as an insult?

tuxy · 02-02-2019 08:17PM

keepalive213 wrote: »

Why do travellers call each other "countryman" as an insult?

Country man is what they call us non travellers. I don't know where the term originated but calling a traveller a country man is an insult as they see us as fools to be taken advantage of.

freshpopcorn · 02-02-2019 08:19PM

She seems to be having man issues Today going by what she's shared on Facebook!

It wasnt me123 · 02-02-2019 08:21PM

tuxy wrote: »

Absolutely, especially considering two of her siblings committed suicide.
It's a shame her original plan to become a teacher didn't work out.
A teacher from her background could make a real difference working in the right community.
I'm not sure working as an atavist is as beneficial.

Why can't she teach? I think she is quoted as saying she might lecturer in UL.

Paddy Cow · 02-02-2019 08:22PM

tretorn wrote: »

Agree Paddy Cow and if the snippet is an example of the standard of the thesis then its a waste of time and it wouldnt have been accepted as a proposal from a non traveller.

Re the use of public space, has she any comment on the travellers carry on in New Zealand and the state they left the beach in.

If the virulent racism is already well documented then the last thing we need is someone availing of a free university education to print more of the same stuff.

I haven't heard anything but I imagine her response would be that they are British, not Irish and plenty of settled people make fools of themselves when abroad, so we can't tar a whole community with the actions of a few. To make such connotations would be racist and only add credence to the findings of her PhD :rolleyes:

keepalive213 · 02-02-2019 08:22PM

tuxy wrote: »

Country man is what they call us non travellers. I don't know where the term originated but calling a traveller a country man is an insult as they see us as fools to be taken advantage of.

So as an insult they compare each other to so called settled people.
Unbelievable.

holliehobbie · 02-02-2019 08:22PM

SSr0 wrote: »

tuxy wrote: »

Anyone interested in reading the first PHD thesis by an Irish traveller?

https://ulir.ul.ie/bitstream/handle/10344/7535/Joyce_2018_Minceirs.pdf

I couldn't get past the introduction, absolute nonsense-

"The virulent racism which we Travellers experience in Ireland is well documented (see
McVeigh 2007 and 2012, Black 2005 and Hopkins 2007a and 2007b). Focusing on young
Travellers, this thesis reveals that the effects of racism and discrimination on our lives
extends to how urban space is experienced and to restrictions on our movement through
and use of both public and commercial space. Through original empirical research, I
identify the racialised boundaries which restrict our ability to activate our right to the city,
and I reveal their character as socially constructed, policed and governed. My research
reveals ways in which the majority culture and the State produce space as exclusionary
for us."

What right to the city? What does she mean by this?

Ruraldweller56 · 02-02-2019 08:23PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

She seems to be having man issues Today going by what she's shared on Facebook!

Well maybe you should "share" it with the rest of us

It wasnt me123 · 02-02-2019 08:25PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I haven't heard anything but I imagine her response would be that they are British, not Irish and plenty of settled people make fools of themselves when abroad, so we can't tar a whole community with the actions of a few. To make such connotations would be racist and only add credence to the findings of her PhD :rolleyes:

Jeepers, its like you are there in the room with her.

Sad really that we can anticipate the same old ****e they come out with when challenged about their behaviour.

Mad_maxx · 02-02-2019 08:26PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Who signed off on this? From the start it's completely biased. It begins on the presumption of discrimination. If you go looking for a conclusion and base your research around it, you will find it. If she had been willing to look at everything objectively, I would take her seriously but this is nonsense.

Plus can we put a stop to this fallacy that they are a different race? There are three major races - black, white and asian. Last time I checked Travellers were white, just like the majority of Ireland. Being granted ethnic status does not make them a different race. You'd think someone with a PhD would understand that basic concept!

Travellers are only a race within a political and cultural context

Paddy Cow · 02-02-2019 08:27PM

keepalive213 wrote: »

So as an insult they compare each other to so called settled people.
Unbelievable.

Yup. Even though "travellers" who shun a life of living in a caravan and chose to live in a house call themselves "settled travellers", being a "country" person is an insult!

tuxy · 02-02-2019 08:30PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

Why can't she teach? I think she is quoted as saying she might lecturer in UL.

I guess she could if she wanted, she had originally planned to become a secondary school teacher. She failed to get the post-grad and worked for a few year then went back to do MA and PHD in sociology.
I think she would make a bigger impact at secondary level.

It wasnt me123 · 02-02-2019 08:31PM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Well maybe you should "share" it with the rest of us

quotes of marilyn munroe saying she ain't standing by her man anymore.

He won't change and she's not wasting anymore of her time on him.

She has two FB pages - the 2nd one is closed and her daughter does look very much like her.

freshpopcorn · 02-02-2019 08:31PM

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

Well maybe you should "share" it with the rest of us

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Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

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