Paddy Cow wrote: » Race is determined by biology, not politics or culture. Ethnicity has a broader spectrum.
Mad_maxx wrote: » Travellers are only a race within a political and cultural context
Ruraldweller56 wrote: » Well maybe you should "share" it with the rest of us
It wasnt me123 wrote: » Why can't she teach? I think she is quoted as saying she might lecturer in UL.
keepalive213 wrote: » So as an insult they compare each other to so called settled people. Unbelievable.
Paddy Cow wrote: » Who signed off on this? From the start it's completely biased. It begins on the presumption of discrimination. If you go looking for a conclusion and base your research around it, you will find it. If she had been willing to look at everything objectively, I would take her seriously but this is nonsense. Plus can we put a stop to this fallacy that they are a different race? There are three major races - black, white and asian. Last time I checked Travellers were white, just like the majority of Ireland. Being granted ethnic status does not make them a different race. You'd think someone with a PhD would understand that basic concept!
Paddy Cow wrote: » I haven't heard anything but I imagine her response would be that they are British, not Irish and plenty of settled people make fools of themselves when abroad, so we can't tar a whole community with the actions of a few. To make such connotations would be racist and only add credence to the findings of her PhD :rolleyes:
freshpopcorn wrote: » She seems to be having man issues Today going by what she's shared on Facebook!
SSr0 wrote: » tuxy wrote: » Anyone interested in reading the first PHD thesis by an Irish traveller?https://ulir.ul.ie/bitstream/handle/10344/7535/Joyce_2018_Minceirs.pdf I couldn't get past the introduction, absolute nonsense- "The virulent racism which we Travellers experience in Ireland is well documented (see McVeigh 2007 and 2012, Black 2005 and Hopkins 2007a and 2007b). Focusing on young Travellers, this thesis reveals that the effects of racism and discrimination on our lives extends to how urban space is experienced and to restrictions on our movement through and use of both public and commercial space. Through original empirical research, I identify the racialised boundaries which restrict our ability to activate our right to the city, and I reveal their character as socially constructed, policed and governed. My research reveals ways in which the majority culture and the State produce space as exclusionary for us."
tuxy wrote: » Anyone interested in reading the first PHD thesis by an Irish traveller?https://ulir.ul.ie/bitstream/handle/10344/7535/Joyce_2018_Minceirs.pdf
tuxy wrote: » Country man is what they call us non travellers. I don't know where the term originated but calling a traveller a country man is an insult as they see us as fools to be taken advantage of.
tretorn wrote: » Agree Paddy Cow and if the snippet is an example of the standard of the thesis then its a waste of time and it wouldnt have been accepted as a proposal from a non traveller.Re the use of public space, has she any comment on the travellers carry on in New Zealand and the state they left the beach in. If the virulent racism is already well documented then the last thing we need is someone availing of a free university education to print more of the same stuff.
tuxy wrote: » Absolutely, especially considering two of her siblings committed suicide. It's a shame her original plan to become a teacher didn't work out. A teacher from her background could make a real difference working in the right community. I'm not sure working as an atavist is as beneficial.
keepalive213 wrote: » Why do travellers call each other "countryman" as an insult?
tretorn wrote: » Agree Paddy Cow and if the snippet is an example of the standard of the thesis then its a waste of time and it wouldnt have been accepted as a proposal from a non traveller.
Wanderer2010 wrote: » Is this thread still about Margaret Cash? If so, its a MASSIVE ego boost for her to see her name bobbing about in one of the most active threads on AH. No doubt she checks up on it daily and this is just rewarding her attention seeking.
SSr0 wrote: » I couldn't get past the introduction, absolute nonsense- "The virulent racism which we Travellers experience in Ireland is well documented (see McVeigh 2007 and 2012, Black 2005 and Hopkins 2007a and 2007b). Focusing on young Travellers, this thesis reveals that the effects of racism and discrimination on our lives extends to how urban space is experienced and to restrictions on our movement through and use of both public and commercial space. Through original empirical research, I identify the racialised boundaries which restrict our ability to activate our right to the city, and I reveal their character as socially constructed, policed and governed. My research reveals ways in which the majority culture and the State produce space as exclusionary for us."
It wasnt me123 wrote: » She should be proud of her efforts, a great achievement.
dermo888 wrote: » I'm of the opinion Margaret Cash is quite possibly the best thing the 'Alt Right' and potential racists have seen in over a decade. Almost immediately they can hold her up as a shining example, and this will be used/abused to denigrate and belittle Welfare recipients, Direct Provision claimants, Housing Assistance claimants and the whole ethos and essence of the Welfare State system. Its true that the Travelling Community DO experience discrimination and have problems. Its down to them to try and solve it, but they can't do it alone. They've to be 'guided' in a sense to a path that is respectful of societal norms, that hard work has just rewards, gains respect in the eyes of your peers and the community as a whole. But thats going to take time, and for many - the time was yesterday, ten years ago, twenty years ago, and sadly - not much has changed. The same problems are still there, the poverty, the alcoholism, the violence, the general disregard for the rule of law. The abject criminality. Frankly - people's patience ran out, and ran out a long time ago. We tried kindness, love, tolerance, and it has'nt got us very far. Some of the most heinous nasty crude racist right wing views are held against these fellow citizens of Ireland. I can't repeat them here. I don't want to. They sicken me to the core. I would'nt permit such views to be espoused in front of me about Jews or Homosexuals, so I can't allow it for Travellers either, even if my experiences with Travellers has'nt always been positive or enriching. And so, we'll go around in circles. The failure is generational, and will be repeated. What chance do her children have? She's doing her best to be a good mother, but its only a matter of time before those children end up repeating the same mistakes. Thats less than two decades away, and the Ireland of that time won't be so tolerant or accepting of nonsense like that.
