6 Nations 2019 Build Up thread

Buer · 30-01-2019 02:49PM

stephen_n wrote: »

Not the most mobile front 5 in the world you’d imagine.

Nope but I also reckon we'll see 3-4 changes happen en masse around 50 minutes. They'll look to completely squeeze Wales in the set piece and carry hard for the first half and bring on their subs who are all relatively light and nimble (aside from Bamba who only looks light next to Atonio).

stephen_n · 30-01-2019 02:55PM

Buer wrote: »

Nope but I also reckon we'll see 3-4 changes happen en masse around 50 minutes. They'll look to completely squeeze Wales in the set piece and carry hard for the first half and bring on their subs who are all relatively light and nimble (aside from Bamba who only looks light next to Atonio).

Wales should be looking to keep the ball in play for as long as possible. If they can hold on to the ball and avoid scrums, the French will be in trouble. Wales are well capeable of playing multi phase rugby when they want to.

Jewelers · 31-01-2019 02:10PM

sydthebeat · 31-01-2019 02:17PM

sam johnson making his debut??

the lack of edinburgh representation in the back line just goes to show the foreign contingent that are starting at club level.

Losty Dublin · 01-02-2019 01:06AM

France Wales thread is up.

razorblunt · 01-02-2019 12:22PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

sam johnson making his debut??

the lack of edinburgh representation in the back line just goes to show the foreign contingent that are starting at club level.

I'd have thought Darcy Graham might be worth a look there. Kinghorn is a bit of a waste on the wing and he's dropped a bit of form in the last few weeks.

It will be interesting to see the reaction to Gary Graham too, he hasn't exactly covered himself in glory.

I'm also using this opportunity for the first "Greig bloody Laidlaw" mention of the tournament.

sydthebeat · 01-02-2019 12:52PM

razorblunt wrote: »

I'd have thought Darcy Graham might be worth a look there. Kinghorn is a bit of a waste on the wing and he's dropped a bit of form in the last few weeks.

It will be interesting to see the reaction to Gary Graham too, he hasn't exactly covered himself in glory.

I'm also using this opportunity for the first "Greig bloody Laidlaw" mention of the tournament.

Darcy Graham has been playing well... but hes finding it hard to push Dougie fife out of the Edinburgh team... while his highlight reel is good, hes still only scored 4 tries from 10 games.....

and besides, Kinghorn definitely has the physiciallity for test level rugby, hes a big man.... and with a return of 5 tries in 6 games it would be very hard to overlook him for this championship.

razorblunt · 01-02-2019 01:26PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Darcy Graham has been playing well... but hes finding it hard to push Dougie fife out of the Edinburgh team... while his highlight reel is good, hes still only scored 4 tries from 10 games.....

and besides, Kinghorn definitely has the physiciallity for test level rugby, hes a big man.... and with a return of 5 tries in 6 games it would be very hard to overlook him for this championship.

My main concern with Kinghorn is that he's a 15 primarily and runs some brilliant lines, on the wing though he can't do much.
He's impressively physical as he's not really filled out at all yet.

Just to clarify though I'd have him ahead of Graham every weekend but I though he might have a look in this time up.

Graham will have Fife sat down soon enough though.

sydthebeat · 01-02-2019 01:48PM

razorblunt wrote: »

My main concern with Kinghorn is that he's a 15 primarily and runs some brilliant lines, on the wing though he can't do much.
He's impressively physical as he's not really filled out at all yet.

Just to clarify though I'd have him ahead of Graham every weekend but I though he might have a look in this time up.

Graham will have Fife sat down soon enough though.

Yeah agreed..... Fife is another ex 7s player but is slowing down as hes pushing on in years.

i thought it was funny that in that Joe rugby roadshow rory lawson said that Townsend wants scotland playing the fastest rugby in the world, something that greig laidlaw has said previous also..... yet laidlaw tends to be extremely pedestrian in his distribution within the opposition half

razorblunt · 01-02-2019 02:14PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Yeah agreed..... Fife is another ex 7s player but is slowing down as hes pushing on in years.

i thought it was funny that in that Joe rugby roadshow rory lawson said that Townsend wants scotland playing the fastest rugby in the world, something that greig laidlaw has said previous also..... yet laidlaw tends to be extremely pedestrian in his distribution within the opposition half

Laidlaw is a nightmare, gets away with it when the forwards are on top but if the Scottish pack is getting battered he kills the momentum in the backline.
He has no heads up play at all, every time he gets to a ruck he has a ruck then, never before.

I'd be concerned they'd tank this month and then Townsend is forced to play Horne at 9 as that guy can be lethal.

Jump_In_Jack · 02-02-2019 12:29AM

I find it a bit odd that people are already saying that Wales only have to beat England in Wales and brush off Italy and Scotland as if they are gimme matches.
I think Scotland at home will be a lot tougher to beat than what is being made out.
Ireland had better not underestimate them either, but seeing as Ireland and Scotland are playing in the opening round of the RWC I’m certain that won’t happen.

sydthebeat · 02-02-2019 08:56AM

Hummmmm

Match day and no match thread.

Venjur... that's a paddling!!!

troyzer · 04-02-2019 10:01AM

The Guardian are reporting Itoje could be out for the tournament.

jr86 · 04-02-2019 10:21AM

When you see Joe Launchbury in Dublin in a tracksuit, you know it's a position they're more than stocked in

Probably more concerning for Saracens though

Clegg · 04-02-2019 01:48PM

Itoje story has been updated. He'll miss the next 3 games, but has outside chance of making the Scotland one.

It was mentioned after the game, but Ireland played really dumb after he went off. Kruis had already been subbed so England had no strong lineout jumpers on the field. That should've been the time to kick for territory and try to steal the ball back, but we didn't I know we didn't want to lose possession but we weren't getting anywhere during our phase play. And when England did have a lineout PoM stole it.

troyzer · 04-02-2019 01:52PM

Clegg wrote: »

Itoje story has been updated. He'll miss the next 3 games, but has outside chance of making the Scotland one.

It was mentioned after the game, but Ireland played really dumb after he went off. Kruis had already been subbed so England had no strong lineout jumpers on the field. That should've been the time to kick for territory and try to steal the ball back, but we didn't I know we didn't want to lose possession but we weren't getting anywhere during our phase play. And when England did have a lineout PoM stole it.

Any citings?

vapor trails · 05-02-2019 12:25AM

Did anyone notice the number of empty seats in the Stade De France for the France V Wales Match? The attendance of 60,000 must be one of the worst home turnouts for a France home match in a few years. Especially on an opening night when all is to play for. The TV Camera's would have you think the attendance was decent but all the empty seats were on the Camera side of the pitch.

ionadnapóca · 05-02-2019 12:27AM

vapor trails wrote: »

Did anyone notice the number of empty seats in the Stade De France for the France V Wales Match? The attendance of 60,000 must be one of the worst home turnouts for a France home match in a few years. Especially on an opening night when all is to play for. The TV Camera's would have you think the attendance was decent but all the empty seats were on the Camera side of the pitch.

Wales fans couldn’t fly because of bad weather

Burkie1203 · 05-02-2019 08:41AM

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Wales fans couldn’t fly because of bad weather

Part if it yes but they didn't all have tickets for that upper tier together. Block after block of empty seats.

vapor trails wrote: »

Did anyone notice the number of empty seats in the Stade De France for the France V Wales Match? The attendance of 60,000 must be one of the worst home turnouts for a France home match in a few years. Especially on an opening night when all is to play for. The TV Camera's would have you think the attendance was decent but all the empty seats were on the Camera side of the pitch.

Happened a few times lately. Last few years have seen the same thing a few times

troyzer · 05-02-2019 08:42AM

You could see Guirado looking at all of the empty seats when they came out for the anthems

Burkie1203 · 05-02-2019 08:43AM

Sacre bleu

https://twitter.com/AndyGoode10/status/1092507031490215938?s=19

Utah_Saint · 05-02-2019 12:22PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Sacre bleu

https://twitter.com/AndyGoode10/status/1092507031490215938?s=19

Its the most French story I've seen.

penybont exile · 05-02-2019 02:59PM

Too much of an England 'love in' on here IMO.

England were good but not the world beaters being lauded in the media & on here.

The fact is despite losing the physical battle Ireland were well in the game with 20 minutes to go ..... the real turning point resulted from a poor option taken by Ringrose in ignoring a huge overlap then compounding this by losing the ball in the subsequent contact. England score the winning try from the scrum.

The way I see it the key moments went England's way in terms of 'bounce of the ball' backed up by some good decision making in attack [flat passing & good kick chase options].

Ringrose makes a better choice and Ireland are in the England 22 .... maybe even scoring .... different game then.

It's always tempting to look at the score and think .... wow ... they must have been great to beat us .... 6N Champs / AB slayers etc. I don't buy it ... hopefully the next few games will prove me right!

[As an aside I can't believe the Tuilagi hit on Stockdale was missed by the officials ...... most blatant yellow card incident of the game].

Buer · 05-02-2019 03:06PM

penybont exile wrote: »

The fact is despite losing the physical battle Ireland were well in the game with 20 minutes to go ..... the real turning point resulted from a poor option taken by Ringrose in ignoring a huge overlap then compounding this by losing the ball in the subsequent contact. England score the winning try from the scrum.
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Funny you should mention that as Murray Kinsella just did an article highlighting that moment. Sexton was outside Ringrose and called a move having spotted the overlap. It appeared that VDF misunderstood the call and came on a slant inside to run a hard decoy line. Ringrose looked initially outside him as if to pass, saw VDF running the decoy line in that channel, hesitated and took the ball into contact. You cans see Sexton and VDF having words after it.

I think the pass should still have gone despite the set up having changed from when it was called.

penybont exile · 05-02-2019 03:39PM

Buer wrote: »

Funny you should mention that as Murray Kinsella just did an article highlighting that moment. Sexton was outside Ringrose and called a move having spotted the overlap. It appeared that VDF misunderstood the call and came on a slant inside to run a hard decoy line. Ringrose looked initially outside him as if to pass, saw VDF running the decoy line in that channel, hesitated and took the ball into contact. You cans see Sexton and VDF having words after it.

I think the pass should still have gone despite the set up having changed from when it was called.

Agree ... the pass should definitely have gone .... it was a clear try scoring opportunity.

jr86 · 05-02-2019 04:33PM

penybont exile wrote: »

Too much of an England 'love in' on here IMO.

England were good but not the world beaters being lauded in the media & on here.

The fact is despite losing the physical battle Ireland were well in the game with 20 minutes to go ..... the real turning point resulted from a poor option taken by Ringrose in ignoring a huge overlap then compounding this by losing the ball in the subsequent contact. England score the winning try from the scrum.

The way I see it the key moments went England's way in terms of 'bounce of the ball' backed up by some good decision making in attack [flat passing & good kick chase options].

Ringrose makes a better choice and Ireland are in the England 22 .... maybe even scoring .... different game then.

It's always tempting to look at the score and think .... wow ... they must have been great to beat us .... 6N Champs / AB slayers etc. I don't buy it ... hopefully the next few games will prove me right!

[As an aside I can't believe the Tuilagi hit on Stockdale was missed by the officials ...... most blatant yellow card incident of the game].

Agree, there's often a big over-reaction to 'famous' performances like these.

However its only a break of serve if you hold your next serve and all that. The French will be out for blood themselves this Sunday after throwing it away on Friday, and for what its worth I think that could be way closer than people expect

My money is still on the Welsh for the Championship (and indeed Slam). Still don't think Youngs has near enough consistency at 9, I thought Daly looked shaky under the odd high ball he was given, and ill-discipline is always an issue with them. You take your chances with the Vunipolas and Tuilagi given their injury records too

Now England have beaten every top side in the world over the past 2 years, bar one (and literally millimetres away from beating the ABs), so they certainly will take beating in this tournament and in the RWC, but their real standard level is probably somewhere in the middle of last year's tournament and Saturday

penybont exile · 05-02-2019 04:42PM

Pretty much agree with all your comments ...... Wales for the GS ..... not so sure!

reg114 · 05-02-2019 05:07PM

Toner and Ringrose to miss Scotland match. Our lineout struggled against the All Blacks when toner went off, so this is very unwelcome news.

Neil3030 · 05-02-2019 07:47PM

penybont exile wrote: »

Too much of an England 'love in' on here IMO.

England were good but not the world beaters being lauded in the media & on here.

The fact is despite losing the physical battle Ireland were well in the game with 20 minutes to go ..... the real turning point resulted from a poor option taken by Ringrose in ignoring a huge overlap then compounding this by losing the ball in the subsequent contact. England score the winning try from the scrum.

The way I see it the key moments went England's way in terms of 'bounce of the ball' backed up by some good decision making in attack [flat passing & good kick chase options].

Ringrose makes a better choice and Ireland are in the England 22 .... maybe even scoring .... different game then.

It's always tempting to look at the score and think .... wow ... they must have been great to beat us .... 6N Champs / AB slayers etc. I don't buy it ... hopefully the next few games will prove me right!

[As an aside I can't believe the Tuilagi hit on Stockdale was missed by the officials ...... most blatant yellow card incident of the game].

On another day Ringrose makes a better decision, sure. And on another day they give Vunipola his try before half time, and on another day Stockers collects the ball, and so on, and so on. Margins are this fine at the top level, and when you cancel out all that went for one team and against the other, England were the better side, and deserved to win. I'm not sure why admitting this needs to be a "love in".

Jewelers · 05-02-2019 08:35PM

reg114 wrote: »

Toner and Ringrose to miss Scotland match. Our lineout struggled against the All Blacks when toner went off, so this is very unwelcome news.

scots are missing alot from their pack too

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