6 Nations 2019 Build Up thread

Burkie1203

Sacre bleu


https://twitter.com/AndyGoode10/status/1092507031490215938?s=19

Utah_Saint

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Sacre bleu


https://twitter.com/AndyGoode10/status/1092507031490215938?s=19

Its the most French story I've seen.

penybont exile

Too much of an England 'love in' on here IMO.

England were good but not the world beaters being lauded in the media & on here.

The fact is despite losing the physical battle Ireland were well in the game with 20 minutes to go ..... the real turning point resulted from a poor option taken by Ringrose in ignoring a huge overlap then compounding this by losing the ball in the subsequent contact. England score the winning try from the scrum.

The way I see it the key moments went England's way in terms of 'bounce of the ball' backed up by some good decision making in attack [flat passing & good kick chase options].

Ringrose makes a better choice and Ireland are in the England 22 .... maybe even scoring .... different game then.

It's always tempting to look at the score and think .... wow ... they must have been great to beat us .... 6N Champs / AB slayers etc. I don't buy it ... hopefully the next few games will prove me right!

[As an aside I can't believe the Tuilagi hit on Stockdale was missed by the officials ...... most blatant yellow card incident of the game].

Buer

penybont exile wrote: »

The fact is despite losing the physical battle Ireland were well in the game with 20 minutes to go ..... the real turning point resulted from a poor option taken by Ringrose in ignoring a huge overlap then compounding this by losing the ball in the subsequent contact. England score the winning try from the scrum.
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Funny you should mention that as Murray Kinsella just did an article highlighting that moment. Sexton was outside Ringrose and called a move having spotted the overlap. It appeared that VDF misunderstood the call and came on a slant inside to run a hard decoy line. Ringrose looked initially outside him as if to pass, saw VDF running the decoy line in that channel, hesitated and took the ball into contact. You cans see Sexton and VDF having words after it.

I think the pass should still have gone despite the set up having changed from when it was called.

penybont exile

Buer wrote: »

Funny you should mention that as Murray Kinsella just did an article highlighting that moment. Sexton was outside Ringrose and called a move having spotted the overlap. It appeared that VDF misunderstood the call and came on a slant inside to run a hard decoy line. Ringrose looked initially outside him as if to pass, saw VDF running the decoy line in that channel, hesitated and took the ball into contact. You cans see Sexton and VDF having words after it.

I think the pass should still have gone despite the set up having changed from when it was called.

Agree ... the pass should definitely have gone .... it was a clear try scoring opportunity.

jr86

penybont exile wrote: »

Too much of an England 'love in' on here IMO.

England were good but not the world beaters being lauded in the media & on here.

The fact is despite losing the physical battle Ireland were well in the game with 20 minutes to go ..... the real turning point resulted from a poor option taken by Ringrose in ignoring a huge overlap then compounding this by losing the ball in the subsequent contact. England score the winning try from the scrum.

The way I see it the key moments went England's way in terms of 'bounce of the ball' backed up by some good decision making in attack [flat passing & good kick chase options].

Ringrose makes a better choice and Ireland are in the England 22 .... maybe even scoring .... different game then.

It's always tempting to look at the score and think .... wow ... they must have been great to beat us .... 6N Champs / AB slayers etc. I don't buy it ... hopefully the next few games will prove me right!

[As an aside I can't believe the Tuilagi hit on Stockdale was missed by the officials ...... most blatant yellow card incident of the game].

Agree, there's often a big over-reaction to 'famous' performances like these.

However its only a break of serve if you hold your next serve and all that. The French will be out for blood themselves this Sunday after throwing it away on Friday, and for what its worth I think that could be way closer than people expect

My money is still on the Welsh for the Championship (and indeed Slam). Still don't think Youngs has near enough consistency at 9, I thought Daly looked shaky under the odd high ball he was given, and ill-discipline is always an issue with them. You take your chances with the Vunipolas and Tuilagi given their injury records too

Now England have beaten every top side in the world over the past 2 years, bar one (and literally millimetres away from beating the ABs), so they certainly will take beating in this tournament and in the RWC, but their real standard level is probably somewhere in the middle of last year's tournament and Saturday

penybont exile

Pretty much agree with all your comments ...... Wales for the GS ..... not so sure!

reg114

Toner and Ringrose to miss Scotland match. Our lineout struggled against the All Blacks when toner went off, so this is very unwelcome news.

Neil3030

penybont exile wrote: »

Too much of an England 'love in' on here IMO.

England were good but not the world beaters being lauded in the media & on here.

The fact is despite losing the physical battle Ireland were well in the game with 20 minutes to go ..... the real turning point resulted from a poor option taken by Ringrose in ignoring a huge overlap then compounding this by losing the ball in the subsequent contact. England score the winning try from the scrum.

The way I see it the key moments went England's way in terms of 'bounce of the ball' backed up by some good decision making in attack [flat passing & good kick chase options].

Ringrose makes a better choice and Ireland are in the England 22 .... maybe even scoring .... different game then.

It's always tempting to look at the score and think .... wow ... they must have been great to beat us .... 6N Champs / AB slayers etc. I don't buy it ... hopefully the next few games will prove me right!

[As an aside I can't believe the Tuilagi hit on Stockdale was missed by the officials ...... most blatant yellow card incident of the game].

On another day Ringrose makes a better decision, sure. And on another day they give Vunipola his try before half time, and on another day Stockers collects the ball, and so on, and so on. Margins are this fine at the top level, and when you cancel out all that went for one team and against the other, England were the better side, and deserved to win. I'm not sure why admitting this needs to be a "love in".

Jewelers

reg114 wrote: »

Toner and Ringrose to miss Scotland match. Our lineout struggled against the All Blacks when toner went off, so this is very unwelcome news.

scots are missing alot from their pack too

penybont exile

Neil3030 wrote: »

On another day Ringrose makes a better decision, sure. And on another day they give Vunipola his try before half time, and on another day Stockers collects the ball, and so on, and so on. Margins are this fine at the top level, and when you cancel out all that went for one team and against the other, England were the better side, and deserved to win. I'm not sure why admitting this needs to be a "love in".

I don't think I said that England were not the better team ..... they were.

However they didn't have to do much to win that game other than:

- Front up in the collisions (helps if your opponent plays so predictably)
- Throw a couple of decent passes to exploit Ireland's wide out defence which has been poor for the last five years
- Confuse a disjointed Irish back three with a few kicks in behind
- Field some poorly directed box kicks


My point is they were good but contrary to the media hype we were not witness to the resurrection of the 2003 WC team ........... (not yet anyway).

irishbucsfan

penybont exile wrote: »

I don't think I said that England were not the better team ..... they were.

However they didn't have to do much to win that game other than:

- Front up in the collisions (helps if your opponent plays so predictably)
- Throw a couple of decent passes to exploit Ireland's wide out defence which has been poor for the last five years
- Confuse a disjointed Irish back three with a few kicks in behind
- Field some poorly directed box kicks


My point is they were good but contrary to the media hype we were not witness to the ressrection of the 2003 WC team ........... (not yet anyway).

Mad how such a predictable, disjointed, poorly directed, poor defending team can keep winning the competition!

troyzer

England are unbelievably reliant on a handful of players. While they're healthy and playing well, they can beat any team in the world.

But when they're injured or off form, they turn into complete ****.

penybont exile

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Mad how such a predictable, disjointed, poorly directed, poor defending team can keep winning the competition!

Times change ....

Neil3030

penybont exile wrote: »

I don't think I said that England were not the better team ..... they were.

However they didn't have to do much to win that game other than:

- Front up in the collisions (helps if your opponent plays so predictably)
- Throw a couple of decent passes to exploit Ireland's wide out defence which has been poor for the last five years
- Confuse a disjointed Irish back three with a few kicks in behind
- Field some poorly directed box kicks


My point is they were good but contrary to the media hype we were not witness to the resurrection of the 2003 WC team ........... (not yet anyway).

That's a fairly comprehensive list of criteria! After you win the collisions, distribute accurately, mix things up with effective kicks behind and neutralise contestables, what's left to do to win a game? And if you do that in every game, what team will beat you?

swiwi_

troyzer wrote: »

England are unbelievably reliant on a handful of players. While they're healthy and playing well, they can beat any team in the world.

But when they're injured or off form, they turn into complete ****.

Sounds like pretty much any international team out there tbh.

troyzer

swiwi_ wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

England are unbelievably reliant on a handful of players. While they're healthy and playing well, they can beat any team in the world.

But when they're injured or off form, they turn into complete ****.

Sounds like pretty much any international team out there tbh.

I think it's more so the case for England than any other team. If you take out Farrell, Tuilagi and Billy Vunipola they are a very average team.

If you take out Ireland's best half back (Murray), inside centre (Henshaw) and back rower (SOB) then you can still beat the All Blacks.

If that isn't the most Gerrymandered post on boards I don't know what is. I'm really proud of myself.

jr86

troyzer wrote: »

I think it's more so the case for England than any other team. If you take out Farrell, Tuilagi and Billy Vunipola they are a very average team.

If you take out Ireland's best half back (Murray), inside centre (Henshaw) and back rower (SOB) then you can still beat the All Blacks.

If that isn't the most Gerrymandered post on boards I don't know what is. I'm really proud of myself.

They won the 6 nations 2 years ago without Tuilagi and Vunipola (BV was rushed back for last game when they had championship won anyway), and Farrell was playing a different position to now.

If the Al Blacks are the yardstick, well England were millimetres from beating them without Vunipola and Tuilagi...

irishbucsfan

Interesting how much is being made of Tuilagi this week. Awful lot of people weren’t rating him at all recently enough! Funny how quick these things can change.

stephen_n

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Interesting how much is being made of Tuilagi this week. Awful lot of people weren’t rating him at all recently enough! Funny how quick these things can change.

Personally I’m surprised how much is being made of his performance last week. He was ok in a dominant team, but nothing special.

PhlegmyMoses

stephen_n wrote: »

Personally I’m surprised how much is being made of his performance last week. He was ok in a dominant team, but nothing special.

100%. Himself and Big Billy made some crunching carries and nice tackles but nobody was standout in an excellent defensive performance

stephen_n

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

100%. Himself and Big Billy made some crunching carries and nice tackles but nobody was standout in an excellent defensive performance

I thought Billy V did have an impact, the strength to offload in the lead up to the first try and then carrying Stander and POM about 8-10 yards in the first half were stand out. He had a much bigger impact on the game I thought.

thomond2006

Wales: L Williams; Holmes, J Davies (capt), Watkin, Adams; Biggar, A Davies; N Smith, Dee, Lee, Ball, Beard Wainwright, Young, Navidi.

Replacements: Elias, W Jones, D Lewis, Alun Wyn Jones, Moriarty, G Davies, Anscombe, Amos.

Wales opt for 10 changes, none are injury enforced.

penybont exile

Like the look of that team.
Hopefully it is a dry day in the eternal city on Saturday.

Ffs Gatland. You completely fudged my fantasy team

Eod100

Forgot about England and France in same pool at RWC too. So that's 2 matches this weekend which will be repeated at RWC.

sydthebeat

if ireland were to win on saturday, and wales on sunday....

and form was to follow in week 3 with scotland winning in france, england in wales and ireland in italy....

they we could feasibly be looking at 9 games into the championship with 7 away wins !!

probably wont happen .. but thats were current form is leading to

Eod100

sydthebeat wrote: »

if ireland were to win on saturday, and wales on sunday....

and form was to follow in week 3 with scotland winning in france, england in wales and ireland in italy....

they we could feasibly be looking at 9 games into the championship with 7 away wins !!

probably wont happen .. but thats were current form is leading to

Think there's a good chance it will. Maybe France bearing Scotland but aside from that very possible

Scythica

England team to play France:

Daly; Ashton, Slade, Tuilagi, May; Farrell, Youngs; M Vunipola, George, Sinckler, Lawes, Kruis, Wilson, Curry, B Vunipola

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Cole, Moon, Launchbury, Hughes, Robson, Ford, Nowell



France: 15 Yoann Huget, 14 Damian Penaud, 13 Mathieu Bastareaud, 12 Geoffrey Doumayrou, 11 Gael Fickou, 10 Camille Lopez, 9 Morgan Parra; 1 Jefferson Poirot, 2 Guilhem Guirado (c), 3 Demba Bamba; 4 Sebastien Vahaamahina, 5 Felix Lambey; 6 Yacouba Camara, 7 Arthur Iturria, 8 Louis Picamoles.

Replacements: 16 Pierre Bourgarit, 17 Dany Priso, 18 Dorian Aldegheri, 19 Paul Willemse, 20 Gregory Alldritt, 21 Antoine Dupont, 22 Romain Ntamack, 23 Thomas Ramos.



I love how French that French team is.

Predict Ashton to have a stormer

stephen_n

Tuilagi against Bastareaud will be interesting.

Eod100

Talk about a back-handed compliment! https://twitter.com/brettgosper/status/1093839617776930816?s=19

joseywhales

I smell a weekend of upsets, particularly from France and maybe Italy

squawker

Under 20s on anywhere?

due to the greatness of the Internet it doesn't matter

any channel worldwide?

The Lost Sheep

squawker wrote: »

Under 20s on anywhere?

due to the greatness of the Internet it doesn't matter

any channel worldwide?

it's not. We might get highlights from irfu next week

squawker

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

it's not. We might get highlights from irfu next week

ffs

Thrashssacre

Do we need a bonus point win in murrayfield to keep our chances alive or could we survive without one?

Losty Dublin

Match Thread is up

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057954435

Dog Botherer

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Do we need a bonus point win in murrayfield to keep our chances alive or could we survive without one?

Anything is possible, but yes, a bonus point is needed to realistically keep us in the hunt. Though a win of any kind is probably more important just for morale.

Thrashssacre

So Italy vs Wales, anyone arsed sitting through it?

troyzer

Thrashssacre wrote: »

So Italy vs Wales, anyone arsed sitting through it?

Mostly because I'm too lazy to get up. I just posted a match thread there.

Buer

Hard to believe today is Chris Ashton's first start in the 6N in 6 years. He has scored over 100 tries in that time. Bizarre how overlooked he has been even when they were misfiring in attack.

ednwireland

Did tv3 just put France v wales up at the start of the program or did I dream it.

PhlegmyMoses

Buer wrote: »

Hard to believe today is Chris Ashton's first start in the 6N in 6 years. He has scored over 100 tries in that time. Bizarre how overlooked he has been even when they were misfiring in attack.

It's because he was in France for one of those years right? And 2016 into 2017 was England's golden period under Jones.

That opening weekend really took the good out of the championship from an Irish perspective. Can't help but feel we're watching an England Grand Slam now.

Really only see Wales being in a position to have a say at this point. France could do us all a favour and deny a bonus point today but don't think they will.

Brewster

Ireland playing for 2nd place now after today’s result. Important we win our next three games and move on.

sydthebeat

Something very "2003" about England this year....

troyzer

sydthebeat wrote: »

Something very "2003" about England this year....

Good, that's great.

I see what you're doing there, building the hype and piling on pressure.

Maybe "Three Lions" will get back into the top ten.

Dubinusa

England looking the business! Eddie looking like a genius!
Think they'll beat Wales going away.

swiwi_

sydthebeat wrote: »

Something very "2003" about England this year....

To win the RWC England have to beat Argentina, France, Australia/Wales/(Fiji), semifinal (NZ if games go to rankings, other possible opponents include SA or Ireland) then final in 5 consecutive games. Would be worthy winners if they did so.

6N has been pretty disappointing to date. England have been good, everyone else mediocre to poor. If England beat Wales, tournament is wrapped up by round 3. Was hoping for more after the autumn internationals tbh.

Utah_Saint

sydthebeat wrote: »

Something very "2003" about England this year....

Agreed

It's a simple but effective game plan