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  • 28-01-2019 3:24pm
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    dulpit
    Registered Users Posts: 10,274 ✭✭✭✭


    Hey all,

    I know there have been a number of threads raised on the topic over the past few months, but I feel that something needs to be done about AH, it has been getting worse and worse with regards to the usual rubbish that is dealt out about travellers, feminists, social welfare, etc. The place is becoming an extremely nasty place to read, and the moderation is either slow, ineffectual or non-existent.

    I understand that you can simply ignore the forum as a whole, but it can be hard to do so, due to the traffic it attracts the posts there are always popping up on home page.

    I also understand that people will say that the mods are overwhelmed with the amount of posts that AH gets, but this thread - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057949890 - has been active since yesterday with limited/no moderation that I can see. The same sorts of comments from the same sorts of posters are always appearing.

    What the solution is - I don't know. I personally feel that either the site needs to go down the route of allowing anything to be said, and be the worse for it, or else clean up it's moderation. Properly ban people, zero tolerance, stuff like that.

    I don't know what else to say, but I will say that AH makes me sad these days, and is pushing me away from using boards in general. I can't be alone in this opinion?
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    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Censoring views because you don't agree is never a good idea. Please don't .


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    Tom Mann Centuria
    Registered Users Posts: 10,914 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Not much joy in AH anymore, I agree, but plenty outside of there on boards that's still good imo.

    I think there should be stricter moderation, or at the very least, rules that have been set are followed, but that seems to be the minority opinion when it's been raised before. Boards is aping every other site to try and remain relevant, whereas I think it's usp is the moderation. But, as I said, not what people want apparently.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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    #4
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,215 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Ban the threads I don't like?

    I dont see the problem, keeps AH alive and active as a healthy mix of things.

    Change name of AH if you like, but keep the wide and varied dynamic going.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    dulpit
    Registered Users Posts: 10,274 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »
    Ban the threads I don't like?

    I dont see the problem, keeps AH alive and active as a healthy mix of things.

    Change name of AH if you like, but keep the wide and varied dynamic going.

    This argument annoys me. It assumes that a disagreement over say a movie being good is as valid as whether travellers have rights, or if feminists should be completely ignored, or if everyone who claims social welfare should be removed from the planet (if AH is to be believed).


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    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    dulpit wrote: »
    This argument annoys me. It assumes that a disagreement over say a movie being good is as valid as whether travellers have rights, or if feminists should be completely ignored, or if everyone who claims social welfare should be removed from the planet (if AH is to be believed).

    You don't have to follow a thread if you don't like its content. You'd know by the thread title weather its going to be a thread you'd like to read or not.

    Travellers should have the same rights as everyone else, no special rights.

    Most feminists should be ignored.

    I've never heard anyone say remove social welfare recipients from the planet, but I think it should be capped to 6 months in good times like now..

    You may not agree with anything I said there, but you'd want me banned or my posts deleted?


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    Pa8301
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    Off topic from the OP but seeing as AH is being discussed, does anyone else reckon there has been a big increase in the number of re-reg's lately? And most coming with the same inane posts.


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    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,215 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    dulpit wrote: »
    This argument annoys me. It assumes that a disagreement over say a movie being good is as valid as whether travellers have rights, or if feminists should be completely ignored, or if everyone who claims social welfare should be removed from the planet (if AH is to be believed).

    Im sure there is a point in here somewhere?

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    [Deleted User]
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    I remember the good old days of,

    "No such thing as free speech on boards."

    Seems we can't say, "No, we're not having that" anymore.

    Really got worse since the original admins left. They had a conscience and were pretty open about believing in a society based on tolerance.

    I barely post anymore as the ganging up against posters of left leaning persuasions is really ugly to watch, and very rarely anything is done about it.

    Edited to add:
    We used to have a very strong rule, no flaming, trolling etc. No Racism, sexism etc.
    Yet here we have a thread on racism with posters quite literally boasting about racist actions. I reported it, nothing got done. It's still there. How is that allowed?


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    [Deleted User]
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    Whats Up? wrote: »
    How about ignoring the threads that upset you instead of calling for censorship?

    We had censorship on boards for years, and it was a much nicer place to relax in.


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    lawred2
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    We had censorship on boards for years, and it was a much nicer place to relax in.

    Who were the censors?


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    em_cat
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    I very rarely post in AH, but TBH I don’t think the answer is introduce censorship. Once it begins, where does it end?

    Another thing is to realise that everyone has the right to an opinion, whether it’s informed or not, or whether you agree or not.

    If all else fails & you feel it’s too much there’s always

    https://touch.boards.ie/forum/1292


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    TheValeyard
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    em_cat wrote: »
    I very rarely post in AH, but TBH I don’t think the answer is introduce censorship. Once it begins, where does it end?

    Another thing is to realise that everyone has the right to an opinion, whether it’s informed or not, or whether you agree or not.

    If all else fails & you feel it’s too much there’s always

    https://touch.boards.ie/forum/1292

    Ive never heard of that forum!

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #14
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,553 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I stopped posting in AH over a year ago. Just got tired of the endless moaning.

    After I stopped, I realised that so much of what people were getting so wound up over (me included, absolutely) is massively exaggerated and barely exists at all outside of AH and similar whine-filled corners of the internet.

    Whenever I land on the 'Latest Posts' page I can see some from AH, and no doubt the same posters are saying the same things about the same topics they were talking about weeks, months, years ago.


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    #15
    Hurrache
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    I don't think it's a censorship issue, rather than backing up your claims.

    For example I can start a thread saying we should ban all people from country X because they only come here to rape our chickens. I don't need evidence for that statement, but my thread will attract like minded idiots only too willing to perpetuate my opinion, no matter how much evidence to the contrary.

    AH is an incubator for certain individuals and their agendas because they know they can do so unhindered.


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    [Deleted User]
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Who were the censors?

    The mods and admin


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    Cookie_Monster
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    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »
    Ban the threads I don't like?

    Sure why not, lots of other stuff already banned in AH.... Political threads for example, even if it's major news. All get shunted tot he cafe to die because that is still a totally broken forum.


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    lawred2
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The mods and admin

    kinda open to group think then really


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    OldMrBrennan83
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    Not much wrong with AH at all apart from a little consistency in moderation. There are too many cases of there being an opinion you're allowed to have and one you're not allowed to have.

    But yeah really, if a thread offends you then just unsubscribe and move on to the next one.


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    #20
    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    There is a small core of mysogonostic posters in AH. Some of their comments are downright disgusting. The recent thread on the poor woman raped while incapacitated is an example. Its the same rhetoric, any man who dares disagrees with their nasty comments is lablled a white knight and a male feminist. Theres no debate, its just sheer venom. Id actually like to meet them in real life.

    They really bring down the quality of threads as its the same stuff over and over. Thought it was just me but clearly not.


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    andekwarhola
    Registered Users Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    I'd agree that a lot of the content these days is sometimes execrable but mostly boring to me.

    The consensus in a forum, however, just represents either the majority of people or the most active posters. Censoring views isn't the answer.

    In every one of those threads, there's an equal amount of people on both sides arguing to the death.

    Maybe people need to opt out of those threads and put more energy into the type of alternative content they want to see instead of what they don't want to see.


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    #22
    TheValeyard
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    Meh,

    If both side are angry. And both sides seem very hate filled ( and resort to name calling, claiming victim status very quickly)

    Then probably mods are doing a good job. If both sides complain, then a neutral balance might have been achieved.

    Anyway, why would anyone want to Mod AH, all you get is grief, targeted harassment and your posts picked apart.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    [Deleted User]
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    anewme wrote: »
    There is a small core of mysogonostic posters in AH. Some of their comments are downright disgusting. The recent thread on the poor woman raped while incapacitated is an example. Its the same rhetoric, any man who dares disagrees with their nasty comments is lablled a white knight and a male feminist. Theres no debate, its just sheer venom. Id actually like to meet them in real life.

    They really bring down the quality of threads as its the same stuff over and over. Thought it was just me but clearly not.

    Same posters are then usually on about banning Muslims because the way they treat their women.

    Look most of them probably weren't breast fed by mam or daddy never told them that they loved them. Also ah is a safe space as they wouldn't have the balls to come out with the same stuff in public because they would have their head punched in.
    In short their sad little people who can't find anyone else to listen to them in real life, so I don't really get offended by them I just think their cowards.

    Now on the other hand people who get offended by everything annoy the crap out of me also. They need to pay attention to the important things out there such as what the future affect of AI could have.

    As for the conservatives constantly on about social welfare etc, I'm reminded of a stock broker who hired my dad to renovate their house. One of the apprentices asked him for tips on how to make money and was told to take his tools and throw them in the river as he'd never make money working with his hands.
    Not sure what happened to the apprentice but the broker ended up in the river when he was wiped out in the late 80s.
    If your lucky enough to make money especially if not handed to you by your parents fair play to you but your taxes aren't going to be any lower if social welfare is done away with.


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    #24
    [Deleted User]
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    kinda open to group think then really

    Which was the point of boards originally. A group of like minded individuals that wanted to disuss stuff.


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    Dial Hard
    Registered Users Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Ultimate Seduction wrote:
    Censoring views because you don't agree is never a good idea. Please don't .

    There's a huge middle ground between moderation and censorship.
    anewme wrote:
    There is a small core of mysogonostic posters in AH. Some of their comments are downright disgusting. The recent thread on the poor woman raped while incapacitated is an example. Its the same rhetoric, any man who dares disagrees with their nasty comments is lablled a white knight and a male feminist. Theres no debate, its just sheer venom. Id actually like to meet them in real life.

    This, this and a thousand times this. I reported a load of posts within the first couple of hours of that thread and, in fairness, a few posters were threadbanned. But when I went back in a day or so later a few people were still expressing shock at some of the posts and there was a mod warning basically saying "Ok, we get it, you're all heroes for getting offended, get over it" and honestly, it was *so* tone-deaf that I was actually left gobsmasked. Compare that to the tone of the moderation in the thread on the child who fell down the well in Spain and tell me with a straight face that there isn't an issue with misogyny in AH.

    I've been told to my face by Freshpopcorn that I'm imagining it but I've had PM conversations with plenty of long-time, prolific female Boardsies, none of whom are particularly strident on the topic but we all agree that there is a vicious anti-woman streak a mile wide in AH and that the mods genuinely don't notice it. You desperately need a few women on the mod team there. There is literally no balance whatsoever.


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    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    There's a huge middle ground between moderation and censorship.



    This, this and a thousand times this. I reported a load of posts within the first couple of hours of that thread and, in fairness, a few posters were threadbanned. But when I went back in a day or so later a few people were still expressing shock at some of the posts and there was a mod warning basically saying "Ok, we get it, you're all heroes for getting offended, get over it" and honestly, it was *so* tone-deaf that I was actually left gobsmasked. Compare that to the tone of the moderation in the thread on the child who fell down the well in Spain and tell me with a straight face that there isn't an issue with misogyny in AH.

    I've been told to my face by Freshpopcorn that I'm essentially imagining it but I've had PM conversations with plenty of long-time, prolific female Boardsies, none of whom are particularly strident on the topic but we all agree that there is a vicious anti-woman streak a mile wide in AH and that the mods genuinely don't notice it. You desperately need a few women on the mod team there. There is literally no balance whatsoever.


    It's very obvious. The same ones back each other up and are pretty nasty when someone disagrees with them. Ive often wondered why it is not raised more.. I feel sorry for Mods in AH, its pretty thankless, but the imbalance is very clear.


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    Pa8301
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    Learn To Code wrote: »
    Why should a thread be closed just because you are offended?

    The right wingers may be annoying but at least they don't call for censorship. Some of you left wing people are cancerous.

    And here's one of the re-reg's I was on about...


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    [Deleted User]
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    Learn To Code wrote: »
    Why should a thread be closed just because you are offended?

    The right wingers may be annoying but at least they don't call for censorship. Some of you left wing people are cancerous.

    It's not that I'm offended, its that it goes against the rules of the site.

    We used to believe that if you don't like the way the site is run, there's lots of other internet space out there for you, off you pop.

    Nowadays, its more you don't like that thread? SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP.

    And that's a load of balls.

    Never was and never should be free speech on boards. Plenty of other spaces to espouse dickish views


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    #29
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    Dial Hard wrote: »
    There's a huge middle ground between moderation and censorship.



    This, this and a thousand times this. I reported a load of posts within the first couple of hours of that thread and, in fairness, a few posters were threadbanned. But when I went back in a day or so later a few people were still expressing shock at some of the posts and there was a mod warning basically saying "Ok, we get it, you're all heroes for getting offended, get over it" and honestly, it was *so* tone-deaf that I was actually left gobsmasked..
    there was an awful lot of outrage over the choice of words some posters inadvertently used, fair play that mod


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    anewme
    Registered Users Posts: 11,860 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    pleas advice wrote: »
    there was an awful lot of outrage over the choice of words some posters inadvertently used, fair play that mod

    Was it not the fact they were confusing sex with rape.?

    Anyone "inadvertently" making that mistake in real life could be looking at a 10 year stretch.


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    pleas advice
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    anewme wrote: »
    Was it not the fact they were confusing sex with rape.?.
    no, not at all. it was implicit in what was said that it was rape, no-one ever said it wasn't.
    but this arguments been had, no need to go over it again


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