Is grammar and proof reading gone from journalism?

jimbobaloobob · 26-01-2019 12:21AM #1

This is terrible to read. Does proof reading taking place anymore ?

http://theliberal.ie/noel-edmonds-calls-out-rte-after-they-firstly-remove-then-heavily-edit-his-incredible-interview-on-rte-player/

sk8erboii · 26-01-2019 12:22AM

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

Does proof reading taking place anymore ?

Hm

26-01-2019 12:22AM

Journalism is gone from journalism

Gimme A Pound · 26-01-2019 12:27AM

Definitely dropped. Some woeful errors commonplace now. Now you will be told you're a grammar Nazi etc (as is part of the current reverse snobbery fashion) but criticism of sloppy, careless writing in a professional capacity is not grammar Nazism (ridiculing someone who has difficulty writing in a casual setting is) and there's nothing wrong with preferring a better standard in that regard.

Guy:Incognito · 26-01-2019 12:28AM

With the level of grammar among the general public, it's a wonder anyone would notice it being bad in the press.

Whole words are being made redundant , "being" being one of them,

Gimme A Pound · 26-01-2019 12:31AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

With the level of grammar among the general public, it's a wonder anyone would notice it being bad in the press.

Whole words are being made redundant , "being" being one of them,

"Would" and "will" - omitted at times. "I be", "He luv 2 go der." Looks ****ing dumb.

joeguevara · 26-01-2019 12:35AM

Grammar can literally save lives. For example, think of the different outcomes that a simple comma can impact. E.g. ‘let’s eat, Grandpa’ versus ‘Let’s eat Grandpa’.

Birneybau · 26-01-2019 12:36AM

You have referred to The Liberal. No, Leo is barely literate. And a complete nutjob.

For Forks Sake · 26-01-2019 12:37AM

You've used theliberal as a point of reference??? A site that makes thejournal look like bastions of credibility.

Undividual · 26-01-2019 12:38AM

Douglas Shapely Stowaway wrote: »

Definitely dropped. Some woeful errors commonplace now. Now you will be told you're a grammar Nazi etc (as is part of the current reverse snobbery fashion) but criticism of sloppy, careless writing in a professional capacity is not grammar Nazism (ridiculing someone who has difficulty writing in a casual setting is) and there's nothing wrong with preferring a better standard in that regard.

Godwin's Grammatical Law

Undividual · 26-01-2019 12:38AM

sk8erboii

Hm

sk8erboii · 26-01-2019 12:42AM

Undividual wrote: »

Hm

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Undividual · 26-01-2019 12:43AM

sk8erboii wrote: »

Hm

LOL, you got me!

SHOVELLER · 26-01-2019 02:21AM

A bugbear of mine forever. Absolutely no excuses anymore for spelling and grammatical errors given the software available. It shows a disrespect for the readers and yet the media complain why we, the audience, dont buy their product.

26-01-2019 02:35AM

The liberal.ie is a haven for troglodytes, ergo the sudden regression of homo sapiens overnight. Difficult to prioritise spelling when one is drooling uncontrollably over the keyboard.

Mutant z · 26-01-2019 02:39AM

Journalism is gone from journalism.

Pythagorean · 29-01-2019 12:35AM

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

This is terrible to read. Does proof reading taking place anymore ?

http://theliberal.ie/noel-edmonds-calls-out-rte-after-they-firstly-remove-then-heavily-edit-his-incredible-interview-on-rte-player/

It's bloody awful, looks like the work of a semi literate, hard to believe a " professional" journalist. Surprisingly enough, I did not find any spelling errors in the piece.

circadian · 29-01-2019 12:50AM

Ah yes, The Liberal.ie, paragon of journalistic excellence. The lawsuits from the MSM is just because they can't keep up with the quality, fact driven reporting of the Liberal. RTE et al are just word salad in comparison.

Irish Guitarist · 29-01-2019 12:59AM

Edmonds is one of the best UK’s best entertainers, watched by multi millions during the 80s and 90s and then again with Deal or No Deal in the 10s.

Out of the many United Kingdoms the one Noel Edmonds is from is indeed one of the best.

DaithiMa · 29-01-2019 01:04AM

It is all down to spellcheck. So called writers/journalists just use it and don't bother re-reading what they have written. Pure laziness.

Duckworth_Luas · 29-01-2019 01:25AM

My dream dinner party guests would include Alexander the Great, Ronald Reagan, Winston Churchill, Noel Edmonds, Mozart, The Crankies, Atilla the Hun and James Dean.

Then I'd blow up the building and wipe them out.

You're probable thinking "why do you want to kill people when most of them are already dead?"

Well Noel Edmonds isn't. He's still very much at large.

The other guests are merely bait for Edmonds.

Church on Tuesday · 29-01-2019 03:42AM

Balls.ie is the worst for this.

Virtually unreadable by times.

wonski · 29-01-2019 03:50AM

To be fair unless you pay for the paper by either buying it in the shop, or paying for online subscription, you can't expect a quality product.

AllForIt · 29-01-2019 04:27AM

SHOVELLER wrote: »

A bugbear of mine forever. Absolutely no excuses anymore for spelling and grammatical errors given the software available. It shows a disrespect for the readers and yet the media complain why we, the audience, dont buy their product.

Too much emphasis on commas and not enough on single inverted commas.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 29-01-2019 04:34AM

Undividual wrote: »

Godwin's Grammatical Law

It's actually got a name: Poe's law.

pleas advice · 29-01-2019 04:58AM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Out of the many United Kingdoms the one Noel Edmonds is from is indeed one of the best.

I dunno, the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves was pretty cool...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_(disambiguation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdoms

gctest50 · 29-01-2019 06:21AM

AllForIt wrote: »

Too much emphasis on commas and not enough on single inverted commas.

dat catastrophy above would need an apostrophy

Motivator · 29-01-2019 07:00AM

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

This is terrible to read. Does proof reading taking place anymore ?

http://theliberal.ie/noel-edmonds-calls-out-rte-after-they-firstly-remove-then-heavily-edit-his-incredible-interview-on-rte-player/

Most of the time these online “articles” are written by interns or people in junior positions in the company. Given their positions in the company, they’re most likely early twenty-somethings who have grown up in the social media and whatsapp age where a basic grasp on grammar is non existent.

The attached article was probably passed up to some coffee drinking, vaping moron who saw a beginning, a middle and an end and gave it the thumbs up. The articles on the independent.ie app are just as bad as this to be honest. Words missing, quotation marks missing etc.

RacoonQueen · 29-01-2019 07:52AM

Motivator wrote: »

The attached article was probably passed up to some coffee drinking, vaping moron who saw a beginning, a middle and an end and gave it the thumbs up. The articles on the independent.ie app are just as bad as this to be honest. Words missing, quotation marks missing etc.

The Irish Times online is as bad. Painful to read.

29-01-2019 08:10AM

Maybe if we paid for our journalism and our porn - the quality would get better again? One can hope anyway.

speedboatchase · 29-01-2019 08:14AM

I used to work for a content aggregator based in Dublin and we had to put out a news story every 30 mins. That included finding the story, writing the headline, downloading/uploading the pic, included tags, etc. The writing aspect took 10 mins, tops. And no proofreader on staff or editor looking at what we were posting beforehand. But at least I barely scraped above minimum wage!

If you're not paying for journalism, you're in no position to make demands.

Is grammar and proof reading gone from journalism?

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