Is grammar and proof reading gone from journalism?

jimbobaloobob

This is terrible to read. Does proof reading taking place anymore ?

http://theliberal.ie/noel-edmonds-calls-out-rte-after-they-firstly-remove-then-heavily-edit-his-incredible-interview-on-rte-player/

sk8erboii

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

Does proof reading taking place anymore ?

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Fr Tod Umptious

Journalism is gone from journalism

Gimme A Pound

Definitely dropped. Some woeful errors commonplace now. Now you will be told you're a grammar Nazi etc (as is part of the current reverse snobbery fashion) but criticism of sloppy, careless writing in a professional capacity is not grammar Nazism (ridiculing someone who has difficulty writing in a casual setting is) and there's nothing wrong with preferring a better standard in that regard.

Guy:Incognito

With the level of grammar among the general public, it's a wonder anyone would notice it being bad in the press.

Whole words are being made redundant , "being" being one of them,

Gimme A Pound

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

With the level of grammar among the general public, it's a wonder anyone would notice it being bad in the press.

Whole words are being made redundant , "being" being one of them,

"Would" and "will" - omitted at times. "I be", "He luv 2 go der." Looks ****ing dumb.

joeguevara

Grammar can literally save lives. For example, think of the different outcomes that a simple comma can impact. E.g. ‘let’s eat, Grandpa’ versus ‘Let’s eat Grandpa’.

Birneybau

You have referred to The Liberal. No, Leo is barely literate. And a complete nutjob.

For Forks Sake

You've used theliberal as a point of reference??? A site that makes thejournal look like bastions of credibility.

Undividual

Douglas Shapely Stowaway wrote: »

Definitely dropped. Some woeful errors commonplace now. Now you will be told you're a grammar Nazi etc (as is part of the current reverse snobbery fashion) but criticism of sloppy, careless writing in a professional capacity is not grammar Nazism (ridiculing someone who has difficulty writing in a casual setting is) and there's nothing wrong with preferring a better standard in that regard.

Godwin's Grammatical Law

Undividual

sk8erboii

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sk8erboii

Undividual wrote: »

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Undividual

sk8erboii wrote: »

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LOL, you got me!

SHOVELLER

A bugbear of mine forever. Absolutely no excuses anymore for spelling and grammatical errors given the software available. It shows a disrespect for the readers and yet the media complain why we, the audience, dont buy their product.

The liberal.ie is a haven for troglodytes, ergo the sudden regression of homo sapiens overnight. Difficult to prioritise spelling when one is drooling uncontrollably over the keyboard.

Mutant z

Journalism is gone from journalism.

Pythagorean

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

This is terrible to read. Does proof reading taking place anymore ?

http://theliberal.ie/noel-edmonds-calls-out-rte-after-they-firstly-remove-then-heavily-edit-his-incredible-interview-on-rte-player/

It's bloody awful, looks like the work of a semi literate, hard to believe a " professional" journalist. Surprisingly enough, I did not find any spelling errors in the piece.

circadian

Ah yes, The Liberal.ie, paragon of journalistic excellence. The lawsuits from the MSM is just because they can't keep up with the quality, fact driven reporting of the Liberal. RTE et al are just word salad in comparison.

Irish Guitarist

Edmonds is one of the best UK’s best entertainers, watched by multi millions during the 80s and 90s and then again with Deal or No Deal in the 10s.

Out of the many United Kingdoms the one Noel Edmonds is from is indeed one of the best.

DaithiMa

It is all down to spellcheck. So called writers/journalists just use it and don't bother re-reading what they have written. Pure laziness.

Duckworth_Luas

My dream dinner party guests would include Alexander the Great, Ronald Reagan, Winston Churchill, Noel Edmonds, Mozart, The Crankies, Atilla the Hun and James Dean.

Then I'd blow up the building and wipe them out.

You're probable thinking "why do you want to kill people when most of them are already dead?"

Well Noel Edmonds isn't. He's still very much at large.

The other guests are merely bait for Edmonds.

Church on Tuesday

Balls.ie is the worst for this.

Virtually unreadable by times.

wonski

To be fair unless you pay for the paper by either buying it in the shop, or paying for online subscription, you can't expect a quality product.

AllForIt

SHOVELLER wrote: »

A bugbear of mine forever. Absolutely no excuses anymore for spelling and grammatical errors given the software available. It shows a disrespect for the readers and yet the media complain why we, the audience, dont buy their product.

Too much emphasis on commas and not enough on single inverted commas.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Undividual wrote: »

Godwin's Grammatical Law

It's actually got a name: Poe's law.

pleas advice

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Out of the many United Kingdoms the one Noel Edmonds is from is indeed one of the best.

I dunno, the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves was pretty cool...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_(disambiguation)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdoms

gctest50

AllForIt wrote: »

Too much emphasis on commas and not enough on single inverted commas.

dat catastrophy above would need an apostrophy

Motivator

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

This is terrible to read. Does proof reading taking place anymore ?

http://theliberal.ie/noel-edmonds-calls-out-rte-after-they-firstly-remove-then-heavily-edit-his-incredible-interview-on-rte-player/

Most of the time these online “articles” are written by interns or people in junior positions in the company. Given their positions in the company, they’re most likely early twenty-somethings who have grown up in the social media and whatsapp age where a basic grasp on grammar is non existent.

The attached article was probably passed up to some coffee drinking, vaping moron who saw a beginning, a middle and an end and gave it the thumbs up. The articles on the independent.ie app are just as bad as this to be honest. Words missing, quotation marks missing etc.

RacoonQueen

Motivator wrote: »

The attached article was probably passed up to some coffee drinking, vaping moron who saw a beginning, a middle and an end and gave it the thumbs up. The articles on the independent.ie app are just as bad as this to be honest. Words missing, quotation marks missing etc.

The Irish Times online is as bad. Painful to read.

Maybe if we paid for our journalism and our porn - the quality would get better again? One can hope anyway.

speedboatchase

I used to work for a content aggregator based in Dublin and we had to put out a news story every 30 mins. That included finding the story, writing the headline, downloading/uploading the pic, included tags, etc. The writing aspect took 10 mins, tops. And no proofreader on staff or editor looking at what we were posting beforehand. But at least I barely scraped above minimum wage!

If you're not paying for journalism, you're in no position to make demands.

circadian

Motivator wrote: »

Most of the time these online “articles” are written by interns or people in junior positions in the company. Given their positions in the company, they’re most likely early twenty-somethings who have grown up in the social media and whatsapp age where a basic grasp on grammar is non existent.

The attached article was probably passed up to some coffee drinking, vaping moron who saw a beginning, a middle and an end and gave it the thumbs up. The articles on the independent.ie app are just as bad as this to be honest. Words missing, quotation marks missing etc.

I can guarantee that website has zero interns.

Pythagorean

DaithiMa wrote: »

It is all down to spellcheck. So called writers/journalists just use it and don't bother re-reading what they have written. Pure laziness.

In a national newspaper I have seen "peak" instead of peek, "quiet" instead of quite, and vice versa, as in "a quite neighbourhood". Worse again, if you look on the SEAI ( Sustainable Energy) website, an official government site, check out the electric vehicles subsection, you will see " Regenerative breaking" repeatedly used. I did email them pointing this out, but its still there. Lack of attention to basic correct usage is bad enough, but it can lead to bizarre logical errors. What happens if your "breaks" break ??? . "there were 1000 patients waiting on a bed"

CrabRevolution

Should it not be "Are grammar and proof reading gone from journalism"?

old_aussie

AI.. spelling and grammar checks do the final cut these days.

Your Face

They should have gone to The Derek Zoolander School for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Want to Do Other Stuff Good Too

Icemancometh

I'm reading the Indo in a waiting room. Below a picture of a judge reads "Caption xxxxy yyyyy xxxxxx yy Caption xxxxy yyyyy xxxxxx"

dxhound2005

Icemancometh wrote: »

I'm reading the Indo in a waiting room. Below a picture of a judge reads "Caption xxxxy yyyyy xxxxxx yy Caption xxxxy yyyyy xxxxxx"

Human error. More forgivable in a daily paper which has to be produced by humans overnight. Mistakes happen. Less forgivable in a weekly paper, where I have seen it on more than one occasion.

El_Bee

Journalism is gone from journalism.

Grayson

circadian wrote: »

I can guarantee that website has zero interns.

yep. It's been mentioned many times on here before. For the benefit of those that don't know, that site is owned and run by one guy, Leo Sherlock. He's incredibly conservative/pro-life. He's the brother of this woman http://corasherlock.com/ and he's been sued for plagiarism.

He was forced to apoloise and he did so by posting a light pink apology on a white background so it was barely visible
https://www.thejournal.ie/the-liberal-apology-3494523-Jul2017/

http://www.thisisardee.ie/2017/07/13/sherlocks-civil-case-settled-ardee-apology-causes-stir/

It's also been reported that for some reason all the competitions run on the site seem to be won by fake facebook accounts.

On the plus side, it inspired at least one good WW news story

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/07/13/liberal-ie-forced-to-lay-off-12676-junior-staff/


I remember someone found the business he owns in webdesign. The page looked like it was created by a 15 year old using geocities in the mid 90's.

dxhound2005

Mutant z wrote: »

Journalism is gone from journalism.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Journalism is gone from journalism

El_Bee wrote: »

Journalism is gone from journalism.

Apparently so.

circadian

Grayson wrote: »

yep. It's been mentioned many times on here before. For the benefit of those that don't know, that site is owned and run by one guy, Leo Sherlock. He's incredibly conservative/pro-life. He's the brother of this woman http://corasherlock.com/ and he's been sued for plagiarism.

He was forced to apoloise and he did so by posting a light pink apology on a white background so it was barely visible
https://www.thejournal.ie/the-liberal-apology-3494523-Jul2017/

http://www.thisisardee.ie/2017/07/13/sherlocks-civil-case-settled-ardee-apology-causes-stir/

It's also been reported that for some reason all the competitions run on the site seem to be won by fake facebook accounts.

On the plus side, it inspired at least one good WW news story

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/07/13/liberal-ie-forced-to-lay-off-12676-junior-staff/


I remember someone found the business he owns in webdesign. The page looked like it was created by a 15 year old using geocities in the mid 90's.

There's also this Twitter account that tracked all the Facebook scams that were suspected to be used to harvest data for the Save the 8th Campaign, akin to Cambridge Analytica in UK/US.

https://twitter.com/theliberal_x?lang=en

orourkeda1977

circadian wrote: »

There's also this Twitter account that tracked all the Facebook scams that were suspected to be used to harvest data for the Save the 8th Campaign, akin to Cambridge Analytica in UK/US.

https://twitter.com/theliberal_x?lang=en

Do you think the other side are above those tactics?

Arghus

Basic errors are creeping in more and more. There's a pressure to rush content out - news stories need to be read about almost instantaneously and there is always a need for spurious click bait - so corners get cut in terms of attention to detail.

Also, quite a lot of the time these stories are written by unprofessional journalists who aren't earning a great deal, if they're earning at all - but who'll be churning out story after story day after day.

It's far cry from back in the day when newspapers and other forms of printed media had a bit more time before having to publish and employed professional journalists and sub-editors and such.

You can blame the writers, but, personally, I think it's a reflection of the times: We want content and news, we want it now, but don't want to pay for it. Fair enough, but don't be too surprised if standards drop as a result.

dxhound2005

Arghus wrote: »

Basic errors are creeping in more and more. There's a pressure to rush content out - news stories need to be read about almost instantaneously and there is always a need for spurious click bait - so corners get cut in terms of attention to detail.

Also, quite a lot of the time these stories are written by unprofessional journalists who aren't earning a great deal, if they're earning at all - but who'll be churning out story after story day after day.

It's far cry from back in the day when newspapers and other forms of printed media had a bit more time before having to publish and employed professional journalists and sub-editors and such.

You can blame the writers, but, personally, I think it's a reflection of the times: We want content and news, we want it now, but don't want to pay for it. Fair enough, but don't be too surprised if standards drop as a result.

There have always been errors in newspapers. The only way that someone could know if it is worse now is to read every newspaper every day.

Sharknose

Kevin Doyle
Irish Independent
January 29 2019 12:05 PM

"THE divorce referendum in May will ask voters if they want to hand the power for setting the ‘pause period’ before a couple can formally end their marriage to politicians, Independent.ie has learned"

Anyone here married to a politician ?

El Weirdo

orourkeda1977 wrote: »

Do you think the other side are above those tactics?

Start a Twitter account and expose them then.

TheChizler

What do we think of this one.

Original article in The Examiner yesterday, and a nearly identical article in The Indo today. I say nearly because the only differences are some punctuation and a few spelling errors - in the newer version!

Judge criticises Master of High Court for dismissing bank's repossession case before it reached court

Judge criticises Master of the High Court who last week had debt cases removed from workload

Pythagorean

TheChizler wrote: »

What do we think of this one.

Original article in The Examiner yesterday, and a nearly identical article in The Indo today. I say nearly because the only differences are some punctuation and a few spelling errors - in the newer version!

Judge criticises Master of High Court for dismissing bank's repossession case before it reached court

Judge criticises Master of the High Court who last week had debt cases removed from workload

Had a read of both articles, I could not see any errors.

TheChizler

Pythagorean wrote: »

Had a read of both articles, I could not see any errors.

The Master, who is s court official

There's one small one, there are a few punctuation differences. Just interesting that two articles which obviously have the same source differ in their proofing.

The indo is shockingly bad, riddled with errors.
Kindle books are nearly as bad, to be honest. It's very rare that I read a book with no typos or mistakes. There are a few out there that clearly never saw an editor.
It's as irritating as a CD skipping.