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Calls for Graham Linehan to be removed from Prime Debate on transgender issues!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    The numbers that say 60-90% of children who identify as transgender are not in fact trangender as adults. Setting children on a path of hormones and surgery, rather than the watchful waiting approach previously favoured, is a recipe for disaster



    http://www.sexologytoday.org/2016/01/do-trans-kids-stay-trans-when-they-grow_99.html?m=1

    A large proportion of those studies occurred in the 70/80s, femininity does not equal transgender.

    The study below goes into this entire realm of that 80% figure and what it's drawn from. It also goes into all the recent studies listed and all the ethical and methodology issues.

    To quote an early part of it, the below is applicable to the majority of them. The remainder are also covered.
    We recognize that numerous follow-up studies ofgender-nonconforming children have been reportedsince the mid-20th century (e.g., Green, 1987; Money& Russo, 1979; Zucker & Bradley, 1995; Zuger, 1984).In that era, most research in the domain focused onfeminine expression among children assigned male atbirth, with the implicit or explicit objective of prevent-ing homosexuality or transsexualism.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324808865_A_Critical_Commentary_on_Follow-Up_Studies_and_Desistance_Theories_about_Transgender_and_Gender-Nonconforming_Children


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Graham Linehan is to trans issues what Jenny McCarthy is to vaccines. He has nothing solid to base his feelings on. The fact that a charity dedicated to providing counselling for trans children was delayed from getting funding because of his ignorant mouth is all you need to know about how dangerous it is to give uneducated inexperienced people the same platform as experts and people with experience. When you put people on the same platform, viewers see them as equally knowledgable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,355 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Typical reaction from the liberal left, if they don't like an opinion instead of debating the issue with them just try and get the person removed form the programme.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,516 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    Maybe a psychiatrist or psychologist or endocrinologist who has spent a decade or two dealing with transgender people - like Prof Donal O'Shea maybe? Or maybe somebody who has done a Masters and a PhD on the topic, and has a few years experience dealing with people? Or maybe experts by experience, people who have been through the process (or indeed not through the process) themselves and can speak to their own experience?
    There has only been like 10 sex changes per year over the last 6 years making the pool of people "experts" extremely limited what you suggest isn't being realistic sounds like you want to find someone who did their thesis on transgenders.
    There is no suggestion about 'censoring his views'. But giving him a national audience of people, many of whom will be new to the topic when he has no expertise or experience is insane. They might as well pick a random poster from this thread and stick them on the air.

    This is laughable seriously all you've shown here is a complete lack of understanding of censorship not only that your understanding of insane seems well out of sync.

    You seem to be of the opinion that having him censored on RTE is in fact not censoring because there's Twitter,video and article publishing available? Good man yourself!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,963 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    Graham Linehan is to trans issues what Jenny McCarthy is to vaccines. He has nothing solid to base his feelings on. The fact that a charity dedicated to providing counselling for trans children was delayed from getting funding because of his ignorant mouth is all you need to know about how dangerous it is to give uneducated inexperienced people the same platform as experts and people with experience. When you put people on the same platform, viewers see them as equally knowledgable.

    You have a very simplistic grasp of the issues and indeed the consequences



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/15/call-lian-child-killer-ian-huntley-has-told-inmates-call-feminine/


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 217 ✭✭Cockford Ollie


    People complain saying Graham Lenihan has no expertise on the topic so therefore should not have an opinion.

    They will be interviewing trans people. What qualified expertise do they have?

    If you get treatment for a heart condition, like a coronary artery bypass, do you become a qualified surgeon?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    People complain saying Graham Lenihan has no expertise on the topic so therefore should not have an opinion.

    They will be interviewing trans people. What qualified expertise do they have?

    If you get treatment for a heart condition, like a coronary artery bypass, do you become a qualified surgeon?

    Eh, if he has the potential to negatively impact the mental health of the transgender community then giving him a platform to attack a vulnerable with uninformed dross is pretty irresponsible of RTE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭spoonerhead


    Getting a bit heated, about a subject that effects less than 1% of people. But when our buses get privatised and people can’t get to work, it’s a deafening silence....

    Graham gave his opinion, he’s entitled to it. Please stop referring to people as the ‘liberal left’ if they’re trying to remove someone from a television programme, they’re just kids who’ve no true idea of what a discussion looks like. Anyways was Ronan Mullen caught in the Galway snow as he’s the go to RTÉ man to discuss a topic with little basis just an opinion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    You have a very simplistic grasp of the issues and indeed the consequences



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/15/call-lian-child-killer-ian-huntley-has-told-inmates-call-feminine/


    The fact you just linked a story about a trans person without any explanation point or explanation would indicate that it's your view that's simplistic. Are you arguing a slippery slope type thing? Do ou believe that because some people might take advantage of trans friendly laws that we shouldn't make laws that are trans friendly?


    People complain saying Graham Lenihan has no expertise on the topic so therefore should not have an opinion.

    They will be interviewing trans people. What qualified expertise do they have?

    If you get treatment for a heart condition, like a coronary artery bypass, do you become a qualified surgeon?


    No, you become experienced in the matter.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 217 ✭✭Cockford Ollie


    batgoat wrote: »
    Eh, if he has the potential to negatively impact the mental health of the transgender community then giving him a platform to attack a vulnerable with uninformed dross is pretty irresponsible of RTE.

    My mental health health is being damaged by transgender community. They want to force onto me that I'm supposed to identify them as a gender of their choosing.

    Also didn't you get the memo, gender dysphoria is not a mental health issue. Can some leftist moderator please ban this offensive ignorant poster please.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,705 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    The fact you just linked a story about a trans person without any explanation point or explanation would indicate that it's your view that's simplistic. Are you arguing a slippery slope type thing? Do ou believe that because some people might take advantage of trans friendly laws that we shouldn't make laws that are trans friendly?






    No, you become experienced in the matter.

    It's not "might" though, it's that many people have and will take advantage. It's what predators do, look for weaknesses and loopholes to exploit . It would be nice to spare a thought for the people who may be effected by such laws, especially vulnerable people such as children, prisoners or abuse victims. There has to be a better solution that will accommodate everyone.

    Wanting to talk about these things and discuss issues that have arisen as a result is not hate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    The fact you just linked a story about a trans person without any explanation point or explanation would indicate that it's your view that's simplistic. Are you arguing a slippery slope type thing? Do ou believe that because some people might take advantage of trans friendly laws that we shouldn't make laws that are trans friendly.

    Yes. Not if it runs over the rights of biological women.

    Thais isn’t a minor thing either. That guy being in a prison makes the entire prison space more dangerous for women.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Getting a bit heated, about a subject that effects less than 1% of people. But when our buses get privatised and people can’t get to work, it’s a deafening silence....

    Graham gave his opinion, he’s entitled to it. Please stop referring to people as the ‘liberal left’ if they’re trying to remove someone from a television programme, they’re just kids who’ve no true idea of what a discussion looks like. Anyways was Ronan Mullen caught in the Galway snow as he’s the go to RTÉ man to discuss a topic with little basis just an opinion?

    I heard on one radio discussion that the trans people amount to 7k in this country out of population of 4.5 million people

    Makes you wonder why this topic gets any airtime at all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 562 ✭✭✭rgodard80a


    Typical reaction from the liberal left, if they don't like an opinion instead of debating the issue with them just try and get the person removed form the programme.

    Plenty of reporting posts here to silence differing opinions. Reporting Linehan to the police, and currently protests outside rte. Our health service is on its knees,
    I hope these transitions aren't paid for by the tax payer above saving people's lives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    My mental health health is being damaged by transgender community. They want to force onto me that I'm supposed to identify them as a gender of their choosing.

    Also didn't you get the memo, gender dysphoria is not a mental health issue. Can some leftist moderator please ban this offensive ignorant poster please.

    I'm saying people being dickheads has a negative impact upon anyone. Mental health issues are huge in LGBTQ community, generally because people are intolerant bigoted dickheads. Has that cleared everything up for you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    It's not "might" though, it's that many people have and will take advantage. It's what predators do, look for weaknesses and loopholes to exploit . It would be nice to spare a thought for the people who may be effected by such laws, especially vulnerable people such as prisoners or abuse victims. There has to be a better solution that will accommodate everyone.

    Wanting to talk about these things and discuss issues that have arisen as a result is not hate.


    So you don't think trans people should be recognised under their new gender in case a sexual predator tries to use that system to do what exactly? What danger would they pose that they wouldn't otherwise?

    Yes. Not if it runs over the rights of biological women.

    Thais isn’t a minor thing either. That guy being in a prison makes the entire prison space more dangerous for women.


    Can you explain how granting rights to trans women runs over the rights of biological women?


    Have you got any stats on how many trans women have been involved in attacks against other women in prisons? You seem to consider it a major issue but I've only ever heard of one case myself.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 217 ✭✭Cockford Ollie


    batgoat wrote: »
    I'm saying people being dickheads has a negative impact upon anyone. Mental health issues are huge in LGBTQ community, generally because people are intolerant bigoted dickheads. Has that cleared everything up for you?

    Ah, condescension. The go to weapon for your kind.

    Mod-Banned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,705 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    So you don't think trans people should be recognised under their new gender in case a sexual predator tries to use that system to do what exactly? What danger would they pose that they wouldn't otherwise?





    Can you explain how granting rights to trans women runs over the rights of biological women?


    Have you got any stats on how many trans women have been involved in attacks against other women in prisons? You seem to consider it a major issue but I've only ever heard of one case myself.

    Eh...surely even one case is too many? (And I've heard of at least 3 and another in Scotland where female prison guards were forced to do strip searches on a male who identifies as a woman) Women in prison should not be locked up with a male who has convictions for raping and assaulting women, or any male for that matter. I've yet to hear of a trans man demanding to be housed in a male prison, I wonder why that is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Ah, condescension. The go to weapon for your kind.


    Seriously? How many batgoats can there be?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Eh...surely even one case is too many? (And I've heard of at least 3 and another in Scotland where female prison guards were forced to do strip searches on a male who identifies as a woman) Women in prison should not be locked up with a male who has convictions for raping and assaulting women �� or any male for that matter.


    But your presumption is that these people would not have been equally violent in a mens prison.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    VeryTerry wrote: »
    Heard Graham linehan on the niall boylan show today. Sounded fine to me. Will definitely tune in tonight.

    Going on the Niall Boylan show only cements my opinion that he's an idiot.
    Niall boylan is one of the few in the media who isn't terrified of the pcbrigade.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Ah, condescension. The go to weapon for your kind.

    If you're gonna belittle a person's mental health then I have very little time for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Weaker than any other science. Not a science in fact. Subject to fads and political, or pharmaceutical company, influence.
    This is the worry about it, how much is science and how much is politics. GID was a recognised psychological condition up until about 2012.

    What about medical professionals who say that it still is. What makes them less quaified than professionals who support transition in minors.




    Personally I believe that this is going to be a legal minefield 10, 20 yrs down the road. It won't end well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,705 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    But your presumption is that these people would not have been equally violent in a mens prison.

    Maybe they would have. But fewer women's prisons have facilities for particularly violent or dangerous offenders. I'd imagine women would be more at risk though, perhaps in different ways. they aren't going to get fellow inmates pregnant in a men's prison are they?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 217 ✭✭Cockford Ollie


    batgoat wrote: »
    If you're gonna belittle a person's mental health then I have very little time for you.

    When did I do that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    batgoat wrote: »
    I'm saying people being dickheads has a negative impact upon anyone. Mental health issues are huge in LGBTQ community, generally because people are intolerant bigoted dickheads. Has that cleared everything up for you?

    The use of the mental health shield is a notable new development in any discussion of this subject. Clever tactic - blocking people from debating a subject because the mere mention of the subject by a "non expert" will cause people to commit suicide.

    Utterly immoral, but a clever tactic all the same. Similar to the old "if you discuss contraception your children will burn in hell" stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    "plugs in phone charger, clicks follow thread"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 James1888


    Good people, please have a look and see what is happening in America with children being allowed to transition. Please check out this poor boy on youtube called desmondisamazing and look at what happens when you do this to children. This young boy is being paraded round gay bars doing dragshows with grown middle age men throwing dollars at him, and also the people that are behind these henous thing, 1 man being Michael alig a convicted murderer that interviews these poor children. There is people behind this agenda that have sinister motives for their personal fetish. I have no problem with gay people or transgender people, but I believe that men and women girls and boys should not be allowed to transition until there 25 until there brains are fully devolopers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 217 ✭✭Cockford Ollie


    Prepare to suspend reality.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 342 ✭✭VeryTerry


    Niall boylan is one of the few in the media who isn't terrified of the pcbrigade.

    Of course he's not. He makes his living riling up the slow lads in class.


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