This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

Gravelly · 16-01-2019 3:37pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

check what out? Putting a Disco body on a RR chassis or putting the plate from a RR chassis on a different chassis?

Putting some/all of a pre 83 chassis under a newer RR.

ohnonotgmail · 16-01-2019 3:41pm

Gravelly wrote: »

Putting some/all of a pre 83 chassis under a newer RR.

Absolutely doable. The chassis and body are separate items for both.

Gravelly · 16-01-2019 3:48pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Absolutely doable. The chassis and body are separate items for both.

Oh yeah, I think mechanically it would be very easy, it's the taxing and insuring (but especially taxing) bit I'd be worried about.

hi5 · 16-01-2019 4:47pm

All you need to tax it is the earlier tax book, the tax office don't want to see the actual car.

The first thing to rust through on an old Land Rover is the chassis, so where are all these solid vintage chassis coming from, hmmm

show me the money.1 · 16-01-2019 5:02pm

hi5 wrote: »

All you need to tax it is the earlier tax book, the tax office don't want to see the actual car.

The first thing to rust through on an old Land Rover is the chassis, so where are all these solid vintage chassis coming from, hmmm

They can be bought new.
https://www.terraintechparts.com/products/land-rover-defender-90-v8-galvanised-chassis-with-galvanised-cross-member

ohnonotgmail · 16-01-2019 5:05pm

show me the money.1 wrote: »

They can be bought new.
https://www.terraintechparts.com/products/land-rover-defender-90-v8-galvanised-chassis-with-galvanised-cross-member

no point using that as you won't be able to register it as a classic.

show me the money.1 · 16-01-2019 5:47pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no point using that as you won't be able to register it as a classic.

You would need to have a rotten one with logbook and chassis plate first.

ohnonotgmail · 16-01-2019 5:50pm

show me the money.1 wrote: »

You would need to have a rotten one with logbook and chassis plate first.

which would be illegal.

show me the money.1 · 16-01-2019 5:57pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

which would be illegal.

In correct you can replace or repair any chassis.
Similar to this company http://www.spheattransfer.com/index.php/chassis-repairs-cleaning/
The question I replied to was from hi5 looking for a solid vintage chassis.

ELM327 · 16-01-2019 5:58pm

What if you replaced the chassis in the rotten one with the new chassis? And then added the body from the modern RR onto the new chassis with the old chassis plate.

I mean I know there are illegal ways of doing it (as above poster) but I'm wondering if it's legal to do as I asked.

show me the money.1 · 16-01-2019 6:01pm

ELM327 wrote: »

What if you replaced the chassis in the rotten one with the new chassis? And then added the body from the modern RR onto the new chassis with the old chassis plate.

I mean I know there are illegal ways of doing it (as above poster) but I'm wondering if it's legal to do as I asked.

You would need an engineers report when doing this there is company's that will do this for you in Ireland and UK, they will even source everything you need.

ohnonotgmail · 16-01-2019 6:12pm

show me the money.1 wrote: »

In correct you can replace or repair any chassis.
Similar to this company http://www.spheattransfer.com/index.php/chassis-repairs-cleaning/
The question I replied to was from hi5 looking for a solid vintage chassis.

You can certainly repair any chassis but what you cannot do is that the chassis plate from a vintage chassis and apply it to a new chassis and then register that as a classic vehicle. The chassis plate belongs to the chassis it was originally attached to.

ohnonotgmail · 16-01-2019 6:12pm

ELM327 wrote: »

What if you replaced the chassis in the rotten one with the new chassis? And then added the body from the modern RR onto the new chassis with the old chassis plate.

I mean I know there are illegal ways of doing it (as above poster) but I'm wondering if it's legal to do as I asked.

taking the chassis plate from an old chassis and putting it on a new chassis is not kosher.

911s · 16-01-2019 8:46pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

taking the chassis plate from an old chassis and putting it on a new chassis is not kosher.

Step 1 - Purchase old ‘70’s Rangerover
Step 2 - Purchase new galvanized chassis to
replace rotten one.
Step 3 - Fit new galvanized chassis to old Range
Rover
Step 4 - Purchase more modern Discovery.
Step 5 - Remove old Range Rover body
Step 6 - Remove Discovery body
Step 7 - Fit Discovery body to galvanized Range
River chassis.
If you don’t have time for all of this Steps 3 & 5 can be skipped.
I have heard that you can fit a new chassis in UK
it retains identity of original, but not the case
here, where a new chassis is seen as a new vehicle

ohnonotgmail · 16-01-2019 8:55pm

911s wrote: »

Step 1 - Purchase old ‘70’s Rangerover
Step 2 - Purchase new galvanized chassis to
replace rotten one.
Step 3 - Fit new galvanized chassis to old Range
Rover
Step 4 - Purchase more modern Discovery.
Step 5 - Remove old Range Rover body
Step 6 - Remove Discovery body
Step 7 - Fit Discovery body to galvanized Range
River chassis.
If you don’t have time for all of this Steps 3 & 5 can be skipped.
I have heard that you can fit a new chassis in UK
it retains identity of original, but not the case
here, where a new chassis is seen as a new vehicle

Step 2 and 3 makes it a new vehicle. It is the chassis that is registered.

hi5 · 16-01-2019 9:29pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Step 2 and 3 makes it a new vehicle. It is the chassis that is registered.

This is it, the chassis is not a spare part but the actual vehicle itself.
If the chassis is rotten and has to be scraped then the tax book should be surrendered.
It goes back to when you could buy a rolling chassis from the manufacture and have a coach built body custom made for it.

swarlb · 16-01-2019 9:45pm

911s wrote: »

Step 1 - Purchase old ‘70’s Rangerover
Step 2 - Purchase new galvanized chassis to
replace rotten one.
Step 3 - Fit new galvanized chassis to old Range
Rover
Step 4 - Purchase more modern Discovery.
Step 5 - Remove old Range Rover body
Step 6 - Remove Discovery body
Step 7 - Fit Discovery body to galvanized Range
River chassis.
If you don’t have time for all of this Steps 3 & 5 can be skipped.
I have heard that you can fit a new chassis in UK
it retains identity of original, but not the case
here, where a new chassis is seen as a new vehicle

That is some amount of work, time and expense to go to, and all for €56 a year road tax. You could buy a decent Disco 2, tax it normally and get 2/3 years running for the price of that one listed on Donedeal.
My daily driver is a 1999 Disco 2, which was crew cabbed some years ago. while they are reliable to an extent, having one 'free from DOE or NCT' is simply asking for trouble.
Also a Discovery 2 chassis is only compatible with a Discovery 2 (1998/04) A Discovery 1 chassis and Range Rover (1970's) are completely different.

oceanman · 16-01-2019 10:51pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Well that 911 went for less than 9k. Somebody got a lovely bargain! I threw a bid on the BMW but didnt win it

what 911 was that?

KevRossi · 16-01-2019 11:01pm

oceanman wrote: »

what 911 was that?

It was a 996, went for £8,000. This one https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-911/264131506938

BMW went for £7,100 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bmw-2002/264131633974?hash=item3d7f78e336:g:RHAAAOSwBqZcDp-q:rk:23:pf:0

unkel · 16-01-2019 11:17pm

That 996 was a steal! Lord only knows how much VRT they would be looking for. And of course max motor tax for another 9 years, that alone is over EUR16k

How much you bid for the 2002?

ht9zni1gs28crp · 18-01-2019 11:19am

996 didnt sell and is relisted. Stinks of getting mates to up the bids.....

unkel · 18-01-2019 11:28am

Any reason to think that, miller_63?

GBP8k is a very low end value and takes into account the car has no MOT, is SORN and is currently located here. Not a very attractive proposition for a UK buyer and obviously an Irish buyer would have to go through the lottery of what is the VRT - who knows how much they are looking for. And then pay €1808 motor tax per year for the guts of a decade.

Still very cheap at GBP8k. Car will easily be worth €15k-€20k once 30 years old provided it is still in good condition...

unkel · 18-01-2019 12:25pm

The last email I sent asking for a VRT quote was 11 years ago this month. Still haven't got a reply

Gravelly · 18-01-2019 12:35pm

unkel wrote: »

The last email I sent asking for a VRT quote was 11 years ago this month. Still haven't got a reply

I'm sure they'll get to you any day now.

Reminds me of a joke from my youth:

It's 1984, and an East German guys trusty Lada finally gives up the ghost, so he rings the local transport department to order a new one. After being bounced from department to department, and a lot of waiting, he finally gets on to the correct person. "Your new car will be available to pick up from your local depot on February 19th, 2012 comrade" the beaurocrat tells him.
"Will that be morning or evening" the guy asks
"what the hell difference does it make" the beaurocrat asks, "it's 28 years away"
"Well" the guys says "the plumber is calling that morning"

oleras · 18-01-2019 1:15pm

911s wrote: »

Step 1 - Purchase old ‘70’s Rangerover
Step 2 - Purchase new galvanized chassis to
replace rotten one.
Step 3 - Fit new galvanized chassis to old Range
Rover
Step 4 - Purchase more modern Discovery.
Step 5 - Remove old Range Rover body
Step 6 - Remove Discovery body
Step 7 - Fit Discovery body to galvanized Range
River chassis.
If you don’t have time for all of this Steps 3 & 5 can be skipped.
I have heard that you can fit a new chassis in UK
it retains identity of original, but not the case
here, where a new chassis is seen as a new vehicle

supervento · 18-01-2019 9:08pm

i know its not vintage until November and it has quiet the price tag... but this looks smashing....

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1072716

RobAMerc · 19-01-2019 8:08am

supervento wrote: »

i know its not vintage until November and it has quiet the price tag... but this looks smashing....

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1072716

I cannot believe the e34 are 30 yo - I mean they are a thoroughly modern car

It also makes me feel very old.

unfit2006 · 19-01-2019 10:50am

^^ Beautiful car.

With regard to the "valuable plate", how much could that plate be worth if sold to one of the companies that buy and sell reg numbers in the UK ?
How would one go about selling it and seeking a replacement reg. no. before "importing" the car into Ireland ?
I have often wondered about this in relation to UK cars which are referred to as "having a valuable private number".

unkel · 19-01-2019 11:28am

I would call the E34 the last of the old skool 5-series!

Had a '94 530i V8 petrol myself. First owner the Finnish ambassador to Ireland

Now I sold the Mercedes, I would be tempted to bring one in from the UK. Very little choice though at the lower end of the market (my budget)

Duke O Smiley · 19-01-2019 11:32am

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/bmw-520i-e34-1988-vintage-tax-2950-price-drop/20423988

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Base spec (or close to it) 520i here on classic tax, saves you the trip at least.

supervento · 19-01-2019 5:00pm

unkel wrote: »

I would call the E34 the last of the old skool 5-series!

Had a '94 530i V8 petrol myself. First owner the Finnish ambassador to Ireland

Now I sold the Mercedes, I would be tempted to bring one in from the UK. Very little choice though at the lower end of the market (my budget)

I suspect u mean a 540i.... stunning car

unkel · 19-01-2019 5:50pm

Nope, 530i

3.0l M60 V8 petrol engine. Also came in 4.0l version. Engine prone to the Nikasil issue if you use dirty (high sulphur) petrol like they used to do in the USA (gulf oil) and parts of the UK (north sea oil). My car never had this issue as it was originally Irish and it was fed a diet of clean Arab petrol

supervento · 19-01-2019 5:56pm

unkel wrote: »

Nope, 530i

3.0l M60 V8 petrol engine. Also came in 4.0l version. Engine prone to the Nikasil issue if you use dirty (high sulphur) petrol like they used to do in the USA (gulf oil) and parts of the UK (north sea oil). My car never had this issue as it was originally Irish and it was fed a diet of clean Arab petrol

Ah no way, everydays a school day.

What a rare car that was to be fair..

. didn’t realise there was a v8 3.0i... I thought they were all straight 6....

unkel · 19-01-2019 5:59pm

Funny thing was that in '92 the 530i V8 replaced the 535i straight 6

M60 engine also went in the 8-series and in both the E32 and E38 7-series. My own E38 was a '96 and at that stage had the M62 V8 engine, in my case 3.5l but the more common version of that engine was the 4.4l

galwaytt · 19-01-2019 11:40pm

unkel wrote: »

Funny thing was that in '92 the 530i V8 replaced the 535i straight 6

M60 engine also went in the 8-series and in both the E32 and E38 7-series. My own E38 was a '96 and at that stage had the M62 V8 engine, in my case 3.5l but the more common version of that engine was the 4.4l

...I know where there's an E39 540i ....in a field...

80sDiesel · 19-01-2019 11:52pm

unkel wrote: »

I would call the E34 the last of the old skool 5-series!

Had a '94 530i V8 petrol myself. First owner the Finnish ambassador to Ireland

Now I sold the Mercedes, I would be tempted to bring one in from the UK. Very little choice though at the lower end of the market (my budget)

Was the sale easy in the end?
Are you planning in getting another classic?

unkel · 19-01-2019 11:59pm

80sDiesel wrote: »

Was the sale easy in the end?

Pretty much. Got very close to my asking price. Sold it back in October but the buyer pulled out, took me a bit of time to put it back up for sale again. Lots of "last price" merchants of course :rolleyes:

Total cost, including buying the car, petrol, tax, insurance, vrt, nct, plates, repairs, flight, ferry, expenses, everything really, was well under what I got for the car. Free car for 17 months plus money my way

80sDiesel wrote: »

Are you planning in getting another classic?

Don't tell my wife I'm even thinking about it

I shouldn't really. I barely even need 2 cars and I have the Porsche. Which I taxed for the year.

80sDiesel · 20-01-2019 12:08am

Nicely done. Not often does one cone on top with classic ownership.

alias no.9 · 20-01-2019 1:43am

unfit2006 wrote: »

^^ Beautiful car.

With regard to the "valuable plate", how much could that plate be worth if sold to one of the companies that buy and sell reg numbers in the UK ?
How would one go about selling it and seeking a replacement reg. no. before "importing" the car into Ireland ?
I have often wondered about this in relation to UK cars which are referred to as "having a valuable private number".

You need to be able to register the car in your own name at a UK address before you can separate the car and the reg. If you buy the car, filling in the permanent export section of the V5 for the owner to send off and taking the rest, then the reg gets extinguished afaik.

elperello · 20-01-2019 2:54pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/renault-trafic-van/19451834

Something different.
Going vintage this year 2.2 petrol.

Duke O Smiley · 20-01-2019 3:06pm

elperello wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/renault-trafic-van/19451834

Something different.
Going vintage this year 2.2 petrol.

Pity it’s left hand drive. Had two Mk1s a few years ago 1985 and 88 I think, crude old yokes but likable all the same.

Dades · 21-01-2019 12:23pm

unkel wrote: »

Don't tell my wife I'm even thinking about it

I shouldn't really. I barely even need 2 cars and I have the Porsche. Which I taxed for the year.

It's like what the lads in the cycling forum say... the optimum number of bikes to own is n+1, where "n" is the amount of bikes you already have.

One needs n+1 classics!

Barr · 21-01-2019 6:30pm

Sorely tempted by this beauty

https://www.donedeal.co.uk/vintagecars-for-sale/saab-900-turbo-1984-flat-front-/20829810

Duke O Smiley · 21-01-2019 8:19pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/citroen-ds-1972/20840972

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If you're going to have a DS it has to be black :cool:

unkel · 21-01-2019 8:24pm

Barr wrote: »

Sorely tempted by this beauty

https://www.donedeal.co.uk/vintagecars-for-sale/saab-900-turbo-1984-flat-front-/20829810

Spotted that yesterday, looks class. Didn't post it here as there was no price on the ad. Why do people do that? Out of principle, I wouldn't contact the seller if there's no price.

Duke O Smiley · 21-01-2019 8:29pm

I'd say that'll be very expensive

liam7831 · 21-01-2019 11:39pm

unkel wrote:

Spotted that yesterday, looks class. Didn't post it here as there was no price on the ad. Why do people do that? Out of principle, I wouldn't contact the seller if there's no price.

I'd say afraid of getting ridiculed on sites like this for the silly figure they have in their head.

oceanman · 22-01-2019 2:00am

unkel wrote: »

Spotted that yesterday, looks class. Didn't post it here as there was no price on the ad. Why do people do that? Out of principle, I wouldn't contact the seller if there's no price.

it usually means they are looking for crazy money...if I don't see a price I dont contact.

hi5 · 22-01-2019 9:59am

I think the theory behind it is if you're genuinely looking for a DS then you will contact him, but how many are looking for a DS at any one time.
Yet there could be a lot of people out there with the right money burning a hole in they're pocket who don't know what they want and need to be sold something.

Gravelly · 22-01-2019 10:29am

unkel wrote: »

Spotted that yesterday, looks class. Didn't post it here as there was no price on the ad. Why do people do that? Out of principle, I wouldn't contact the seller if there's no price.

Without exception, every single time I've contacted a seller with a car for sale that doesn't have a price, they are looking for well over the market value for it.
In the majority of cases, they are looking for delusional money.

This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

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