Car bomb has exploded in Derry City Centre

GinAndBitter · 21-01-2019 02:34PM

maccored wrote: »

Ive no idea if there was or not

There wasn't, if they wanted to kill people they would have planted a device In a busy area and gave no warning.

circadian · 21-01-2019 02:38PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Another van hijacked in the city today

Up in Creggan? Seems like they threw something in the back and legged it. Strange behaviour.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 21-01-2019 02:39PM

looks like i'm not the only one who is calling for a dose of common sense.

https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/backstop-trouble-first-cracks-in-the-eus-solidarity-with-ireland-on-brexit-37732480.html

indioblack · 21-01-2019 02:41PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

There wasn't, if they wanted to kill people they would have planted a device In a busy area and gave no warning.

So it was a safely detonated explosive device in a public place?

Wheres Me Jumper? · 21-01-2019 02:42PM

circadian wrote: »

Up in Creggan? Seems like they threw something in the back and legged it. Strange behaviour.

place is chockfull of idiots!

GinAndBitter · 21-01-2019 02:45PM

indioblack wrote: »

So it was a safely detonated explosive device in a public place?

If they wanted to kill people there are 100 better places around Derry they could of planted that device. Do you think they intended to kill people ?

Gimme A Pound · 21-01-2019 02:48PM

Where's Me Jumper? is obviously very young with no memory of the conflict in the North, and that's of course ok, but they really shouldn't be stating that people don't care just because they as an individual don't care. Particularly to direct that at people living in Northern Ireland.

They are certainly not in a position to tell someone whom they don't know, that they know nothing about Irish history.

Grayson wrote: »

The man has a point though (DEFTLEFTHAND, Not willie Frasier )

The north is just a big bag of crazy. Between unionists who can only say NO, punishment beating/shootings and an assembly that's in disarray, I can't see why anyone would want jurisdiction over it.

A united Ireland sounds nice in principle, but in practice I wouldn't want it. Not for decades at least.

One thing to say they would not like a united Ireland and give the reasons why. Much as I don't like it, I'd have to agree. Heart wants it but head doesn't, however DLh said "Us southerners don't want anyone at all from the North down here" - pure sh1t-stirring trash.

indioblack · 21-01-2019 02:48PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

If they wanted to kill people there are 100 better places around Derry they could of planted that device. Do you think they intended to kill people ?

Do you believe they could guarantee what would happen when this device was detonated?

GinAndBitter · 21-01-2019 02:49PM

indioblack wrote: »

Do you believe they could guarantee what would happen when this device was detonated?

No, that does not mean there was intent to kill though. Why would someone who wants to kill people give a warning?

Timberrrrrrrr · 21-01-2019 02:51PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

No, that does not mean there was intent to kill though. Why would someone who wants to kill people give a warning?

Even with warnings people get killed

Hurrache · 21-01-2019 02:51PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

looks like i'm not the only one who is calling for a dose of common sense.

https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/backstop-trouble-first-cracks-in-the-eus-solidarity-with-ireland-on-brexit-37732480.html

He's not someone to be given much credence on anything EU. In fact he may have a slight grudge against the Irish and EU judiciary.

indioblack · 21-01-2019 02:52PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

No, that does not mean there was intent to kill though. Why would someone who wants to kill people give a warning?

I've less interest in what their intention was than in what actually happened.

GinAndBitter · 21-01-2019 02:54PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Even with warnings people get killed

I know that, but we are talking about intent. If the intent was to kill and cause as much damage as possible they wouldnt have planted a bomb on a quiet street outside a closed courthouse and phoned in a warning.

This bombing in itself is a warning, "look what we can do". If they wanted people dead they would be dead.

GinAndBitter · 21-01-2019 02:55PM

indioblack wrote: »

I've less interest in what their intention was than in what actually happened.

You commented on it.

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2019 02:56PM

Hurrache wrote: »

He's not someone to be given much credence on anything EU. In fact he may have a slight grudge against the Irish and EU judiciary.

Even in Ireland we have those who want to doff the hat and give into British arrogance. The Polish Foreign Minister is probably looking for something from the UK.
It won't fly though, Barnier spelling it out again at lunchtime. 'Take the deal on the table or crash out'.

indioblack · 21-01-2019 03:04PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

You commented on it.

As I said before, you can't be certain what the consequences of detonating this device would be. You, presumably, don't know if those responsible for this explosion knew with certainty what the consequences of their act might be.
As has often been the case, as well as presumed intent and warnings, there is an indifference and callousness in attacks such as these.

circadian · 21-01-2019 03:08PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I know that, but we are talking about intent. If the intent was to kill and cause as much damage as possible they wouldnt have planted a bomb on a quiet street outside a closed courthouse and phoned in a warning.

This bombing in itself is a warning, "look what we can do". If they wanted people dead they would be dead.

I wouldn't call Bishop Street at 8pm ona Saturday evening quiet. Very fortunate that the foot traffic was low but there are several bars in the area and it generally has people on it.

EdgeCase · 21-01-2019 03:10PM

I met and talked to a lot of people involved with that peace process. No matter what side they came from, all of them took a massive leap of faith in humanity to put that horrific mess behind them and find a new beginning for Northern Ireland.

It's not something to be taken lightly and it's not something to unpick or play politics with.

The NI peace process is an ongoing success and everyone should be aware of just how much tireless work, nuanced diplomacy and just vast effort to get people to think beyond their own world view.

The current batch of right wing Tories are simply unbelievable. They care not a jot about anything other than the squabble within their own party. If it takes the British economy over a cliff they seem to just not give a toss. They've no interest in Northern Ireland.

Frankly, it's a massive slap in the even to people in their own party like John Major and others who fully understand the risks and have been trying to restore sanity.

maccored · 21-01-2019 04:19PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

looks like i'm not the only one who is calling for a dose of common sense.

https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/backstop-trouble-first-cracks-in-the-eus-solidarity-with-ireland-on-brexit-37732480.html

“He did however raise it during a meeting in Dublin in December and it was made clear to him that a backstop with a time limit would not work.

“The European commission has said the same.”

You werent saying the above - or did you read the complete article?

ohnonotgmail · 21-01-2019 04:27PM

Do we know how the bomb was detonated? was it command detonated, a timer, something else?

Grayson · 21-01-2019 04:27PM

circadian wrote: »

That's a fairly broad brush. I'm from Derry. The vast majority of people there and in the North, regardless of background don't agree with the fringe elements. I have many unionist friends who voted to remain because the chance of breaking off would be detrimental to their quality of life. This was obvious. Many nationalists were happy enough with the status quo in having an open border.

Brexit has taken a scenario that was stable in comparison to what came before and **** all over it. Brexit has done nothing more than have everyone in England at each others throats and is an exercise in brinkmanship. Seeing the usual suspects in the north raise their heads is not a surprise given the disarray the rest of the UK is in.

Obviously, a border poll would have to come with a clear picture of what the landscape would be in the event of a United Ireland being voted on. Unlike the ****show that is Brexit.

I agree with you. The problem is the fringe elements. And there's enough of them to be a big problem. I have relatives in Derry and I've been there quite a few times. It's a lovely place.
The thing is every july we have the nutjobs marching. And we do have the republican against drug groups. and all the others. It might be a relatively small part of the population. Unfortunately they have guns, bombs and a willingness to kill.

We've been lucky since the GFA. The north has cooled down to a simmer compared with what it was. And I don't want to see anything that causes it to hear up again. Ans preemptive talk of reunification could cause that.

GinAndBitter · 21-01-2019 04:37PM

Has any group claimed responsibility for this yet?

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2019 04:48PM

A group calling itself 'The New IRA'.

The violence and agitating in Derry since the GFA has largely been ignored. Make no mistake that there are those who are waiting for the cause to gain some traction. And the British are going to supply that traction again.

Billy86 · 21-01-2019 04:48PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Has any group claimed responsibility for this yet?

Saoradh seem to have heavily implied it was them, republican anti GFA group that I saw a few posters of up around the same time as the 8th referendum in south Dublin. Posters could have been up longer but I only noticed them because I figured it was to do with the referendum until I read what was on them.

tayto lover · 21-01-2019 04:51PM

Two vans hijacked in Derry today by armed men.
Object placed in one of them and driver told to drive it to a named street.
Not nice to see this happening again.
I had a very lucky escape in a bombing before.

RobMc59 · 21-01-2019 05:11PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A group calling itself 'The New IRA'.

The violence and agitating in Derry since the GFA has largely been ignored. Make no mistake that there are those who are waiting for the cause to gain some traction. And the British are going to supply that traction again.

The DUP are loving this-the perpetrators are playing right into their hands-UI?-I can't see it happening if this escalates.

GinAndBitter · 21-01-2019 05:13PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Two vans hijacked in Derry today by armed men.
Object placed in one of them and driver told to drive it to a named street.
Not nice to see this happening again.
I had a very lucky escape in a bombing before.

Seems very amateurish, dangerous though all the same.

James Brown · 21-01-2019 05:13PM

I actually thought it may have been Unionists trying to scupper a UI.

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2019 05:14PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

The DUP are loving this-the perpetrators are playing right into their hands-UI?-I can't see it happening if this escalates.

Yeh, like the last outbreak of the conflict really worked out for the DUP ? :rolleyes:

thomasj · 21-01-2019 05:15PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A group calling itself 'The New IRA'.

The violence and agitating in Derry since the GFA has largely been ignored. Make no mistake that there are those who are waiting for the cause to gain some traction. And the British are going to supply that traction again.

I read somewhere over the weekend that the new IRA are a rebranded real IRA.

Car bomb has exploded in Derry City Centre

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