Calls for Graham Linehan to be removed from Prime Debate on transgender issues!

He’s been an absolute c*nt for years. He was always extremely nasty to anyone who even politely disagreed with him, long, long before the Trans stuff. There is (or was) a website out there detailing how he used to sick his twitter followers on anyone who didn’t gargle his balls.



An issue which he has raised which I would agree with on the trans kids issue is how this effects children and vulnerable. Louis Theroux did an interesting documentary on trans kids in the US a number of years ago which showed parents actively encouraging their children into being transgender just because they showed some small indications such as a boy playing with dolls etc.

StopWatch wrote: »

I'm unsure how I feel here,but In what way is the writer of Father Ted an expert panel member?

He's been banned from Twitter and interviewed by the police due to complaints of transphobia from a frankly dodgy character who happens to be a trans woman. This person also targeted his wife's business and tried to incite people to attack it. And has targeted other people in the past. Anyway linehan refused to back down and continues to talk about the issues/problems with "self id". Seems they are going for the controversy angle to get viewers in. Why are people trying to stop it though? Surely if he really is a raging bigot then the more airtime the better so that people can see it?

I don't see why someone who doesn't live here is being interviewed for a piece on transgender laws in Ireland? I mean, he doesn't live here, hasn't for years, and has been cautioned by police for the way he's treated some trans people.

If you want to have someone who'd have similar views to him, find someone who's actually here. Don't be dragging the chaos that is anything to do with the UK over here. I mean, after his Christmas 'Graham is off twitter for Christmas, this is his assistant' idiocy, who'd trust him?

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I don’t agree with a lot of what Linehan has said, but that’s a pretty selective interpretation of what actually happened in that case - have you read the details of the full story there, particularly with regards to the complainant?

Yup, I read it from the guardian here. I'm not saying the woman he harassed was right or wrong, but it is a fact that it happened.

batgoat wrote: »

Recent things that Linehan has done is trying to get people to complain to the national lottery because a trans charity received money. This royally went wrong on him. Two hundred thousand had been raised for the charity as of last night including gaining the attention of Alexandria Cortez and Cher.

https://www.polygon.com/2019/1/20/18191023/hbomberguy-donkey-kong-64-twitch-stream-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-john-romero-chelsea-manning

It's a trans charity that actively campaigns for children to be able to transition. The woman in charge took her child to Thailand at the age of 16 for surgery. This is and was illegal in the UK, and is now illegal in Thailand. that's not ok. If you look into these things you'll find there's usually more to it than someone being a bigot.

RTE probably can't find anyone else to risk being publicly destroyed (including their ability to earn a living and having their families attacked) for espousing the idea that perhaps pumping confused children full of drugs might not be the best idea.

You know an ideology is on shaky ground when it's proponents go after detractors with such tenacious vitriol. it's like scientology or the Stasi.

conorhal wrote: »

I donno, RTE have a habit of using such figures as 'controlled opposition' when it comes the any contentious issue on which they come down heavilly on one side. When this is case the 'dissenting voice' they pick to 'represent the other side' is often some wildly unhinged individual intending to discredit whatever position RTE are pushing.

In that case they could not have made a better choice.

I read somewhere that Linehan will not be on Primetime - don't know if that is true or not.

I question his inclusion on the Panel as I think - given his extreme anti-trans views - that it is an attempt by RTE to have, as one poster described it, a shouty show rather than any kind of reasonable debate.

Having said that, I would be of the opinion to let him voice his opinion - with strict moderation so any attempt at drawing comparisons to Nazis and generally abusive statements be quickly dealt with. But this is RTE and I have yet to see them be able to moderate anything in an impartial manner.

There are issues. That is the truth of it. Most of them are scaremongering but some aren't. There are some in the Lesbian community, for example, who feel that butch identity is being rendering invisible as there is pressure coming from the radical trans activists to 'admit' to 'really' being a transman - some very thoughtful, fully supportive of people transitioning, women feel this way but will not voice it in public for fear of being labelled transphobic.

There are also many who worry that radical transactivists are generally advocating a binary view of gender that seeks to reinstate a very outdated view of masculinity and femininity.

Add to that that many women are fed up with the likes of Jenner speaking for the 'experience' of women when they feel that as Jenner interacted with the world in a male persona for decades she did not really experience what is to be treated as female by society and therefore cannot truly claim to be the expert she portrays herself as...express this and quickly cries of T.E.R.F drown it out.
This is not to deny there are T.E.R.F.s who are just as radical and unbending in their position and will never accept any transwoman as a 'real' woman. A view I do not share.
There are transpeople expressing serious concerns about what is happening. They are being silenced.

These are genuine areas of concern that should be discussed. But there are two sides becoming entrenched through lack of dialogue and the considered thoughtful views on both sides are being subsumed into the extremes and battle lines are drawn.

I think Linehan is not the person to engage in thoughtful dialogue on this as his views are on the extreme anti-trans side. He was invited to generate controversy.

Not quite sure how to take this one, I am not sure exactly how Graham is an expert or a voice of the issue but I don't really know too much about him.

At the same time they do need an opposing voice on teh debate it cannot be all one way.

Like it or not trans people are not going to have it as easy as other members of their community because of advocacy of treatment on young kids and the growing trend to remove kids from parents.

Calhoun wrote: »

Not quite sure how to take this one, I am not sure exactly how Graham is an expert or a voice of the issue but I don't really know too much about him.

At the same time they do need an opposing voice on teh debate it cannot be all one way.

Like it or not trans people are not going to have it as easy as other members of their community because of advocacy of treatment on young kids and the growing trend to remove kids from parents.

He is neither, he is just very opinionated. That seems to be enough these days.

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

I dont think he is an expert at all. It'd be like me going on to explain being a woman.

(I'm a 40 year old man)

I reckon you would do a much job explaining women than Linehan would explaining trans issues.

ironwalk wrote: »

I don't think GL sets himself up as an expert at all.
What I take from it is that he questions where the line is between the rights of people who identify as being a trans woman, and the rights of women.

For instance, if you've a teenage daughter, do you want her going shopping on a Saturday, into the dressing room in Penneys and any fella who wants to, can say that he's a woman, and in he goes after her?

Do you want your granny having personal care on a hospital ward with a bloke who still has a beard and all his bits, but who decides to identify as a woman for a few days a week?

And don't say "that'll never happen". It mightn't have happened here, yet, but it has in other countries.

I've no problem with an adult man dressing and presenting in any way that he wants...off you go. But as soon as s/he wants to step on my toes or those of my daughter, then I'm going to draw a line.

So, the issue isn't about trans rights, it's about holding the rights of women in balance.

I dont understand your dressing room argument at all. Are womens changing rooms communal? Do they not have separate cubicles like they do in mens changing rooms?