The war on meat

gozunda wrote: »

Because that's the old 'dog thou' argument beloved of vegans. I've seen the same thing written more than once tbh. There's just a couple of problems. Just because humans eat some types of meat - does not mean that all humans eat all types of meat.

Dog meat is **** meat and is largely an unregulated and run as back street operations. Most humans and other meat eaters do not consume other meateaters - this is a well recognised phenomen in biology. Some do and countries like the Philippines and Hong Kong have outlawed this practice due to issues with the transfer of such diseases as rabbies
etc. Ebola has slso been listed as a risk factor.

So no boiling and eating Fido is not the same as rearing or slaughtering well looked after livestock in highly regulated conditions.

Those highly processed foodstuffs such as beyond meat etc are nothing more than highly marketed junk food. They do not equate to good quality and locally produced meat etc..

Humans will ear whatever type of meat they get their hands on. The reason that we tend to eat herbivores is that they are more docile. They tend not to attack back in the wild and they are easy to raise.

We eat loads of fish that are carnivores of some type.

So yes, killing and eating fido is the same. The only difference is that it's far easier to raise a cow/pig/sheep and we don't have an emotional attachment to their species. It's the same reason we don't eat horses here.

Grayson wrote: »

Humans will ear whatever type of meat they get their hands on. The reason that we tend to eat herbivores is that they are more docile. They tend not to attack back in the wild and they are easy to raise.
We eat loads of fish that are carnivores of some type. So yes, killing and eating fido is the same. The only difference is that it's far easier to raise a cow/pig/sheep and we don't have an emotional attachment to their species. It's the same reason we don't eat horses here.

Do we? Really? Rat anyone? You clearly have never handled real livestock if you believe they are more docile than Fido and friends. There are several academic papers on the phenomenon of meateaters natural aversion to eating other meateaters. Are there exceptions - yes there are. But that does not change the main facts. Whatever the stupid hyperbole used by some vegans to persuade us otherwise - well reared livestock do not equate to boiling and eating Fido.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Interesting study published today in the Lancet that indicates that Western diets are totally unsustainable. It recommends essentially rationing red meat to 7g/day or half a meatball. Essentially a burger would become a once a month thing. Dairy will be a thing of the past as well and diets will essentially be plant based. This will be necessary to ensure the 10bn mouths will get enough calories.

With the rise of veganism, and even our very own taoiseach saying he's going to cut back on meat, will you be following his lead? Or is meat simply too tasty too pull back on? I'll find it hard myself tbh.

The other thing that might get us out of this bind is synthetic beef and dairy. Would you eat food grown in a lab? Seemingly most under 40s don't have a problem with synthetic dairy manufactured from GM yeast like beer, but would with beef. Hard to see where this all goes...

Is that why Trump is building the wall?
I am not bothered about what people think about meat eaters who actually eat meat.
I eat meat nearly everyday sensible portions. I am also happy with the natural vitimins, minerals, and nutrients it provides me.
I know those who not eat meat invariably have to take artificial supplements to make up for thier choices.
Plus I like the taste of it. First thing I go for on the plate.
I won't be alive by the time there is 10b people on the planet so I am not really bothered, if I am honest.
If there is danger to the planet by that stage and chnages have to made. It will focus minds.
Artificial meat? If it tasted the same as natural meat and had the same vitamins, nutrients and protein I would have no problem with it.
But you have to realise you would be putting farmers out of business, then what happens to thier land. It will more then likely be sold to commercial developments.
I know there are other alternatives to meat like marinated inscects like they eat in parts of asia.
I assume long after I am dead, Supermacs will have artificial meat burgers, or incest burgers. The culchies will want curry on them along with thier chips

Water John wrote: »

qwerty, you really are writing nonsense. If any farmer tried to calve a cow as you suggest, would be jailed and rightly so, outside at all of the economic madness of a dead cow and calf.

Are you and whiskey galore even reading what I said.
I said that, as an example cruelty in that specific area, I also said that the calving jack is very much the norm for difficult calving.
While it's not the norm, you do have stupid farmers and you do have cruel and uncaring farmers.

But leaving cruelty aside and back to the reality of calving and the calving jack.
When you see a cow calving on RTE you'll see a nice quiet cow, capable of having baby elephant, calving down a small calf onto a lovely bed of golden straw.
This tells people nothing about difficult calving- difficult calvings are part of meat production.

-inexperienced jack operators breaking the calfs legs are part of meat production
-farmers not spotting the cow and her calving down on the **** covered slats packed with the other cows is part of meat production
-a 5 star bull breaking into heifers, resulting in them carrying calves they haven't a hope of being able to push out is part of meat production
- Farmers trying to save money not callling the vet for a C section (€300+) resulting in both cow and calf dying or quiet often dead calf and cow can't stand up for months is all part of meat production


These are just a few everyday things under the heading of "calving",
what about all the other areas of concern
Weaning
dehorning
dosing
transportation
disease

Many people not from a farming background haven't the first clue about any of this, and they won't learn it from George lee

whisky_galore wrote: »

Will you ever **** off. Don't eat meat if you don't want to, fair enough. Don't come around here equating farm animals with humans or domestic pets, exaggerating, spreading falsehoods and generally looking down your nose and preaching to those who do choose to eat meat. Any farmer's harming their animals leading to injury or death don't stay in business very long.

'Holier than thou' bullcrap, no wonder your lot are so hated.

Best to ignore tbh. Same has been attempting to derail the thread apparently because some eejits put up silly posts about liking "beefburgers'. Revenge style posting if you will ... :rolleyes:

Unearthly wrote: »

Triggered :pac:

Triggered my h*le.

Eat your nuts and whatever, don't preach to the rest of us.

wakka12 wrote: »

The most harmful effects are from people in the first world like you who can afford to eat lots of meat not the billions of asians living on a pot of rice daily

Anyway whenever I read threads like this on boards it just solidifies my view that the world is doomed to be destoryed by global warming. Nobody wants to make any changes to their lifestyle(even the most absolutely minimal changes, such as eating less meat) until it personally negatively effects them and by then itll be too late to reverse it

Yeah, it's all the fault of first worlders, completely void blame on all the deforestation by third world countries to make room for more people and crops, or places like China and India that massively pollute the environment...

Nope. It's the fault of Europe and the USA only. :rolleyes:

Former Observer wrote: »

Became a vegetarian for ethical reasons almost ten years ago and have never looked back. Love to cook and only time I miss eating meat is Christmas. But hey, maybe people have different dietary needs. Personally I've never been healthier.

BUT it is important to listen to your conscience. Whatever your decision is, own it, and don't mask it behind smug ignorance (there are idiots on both sides: the 'I love my steak and don't care about anything else' crowd and the 'meat eaters are akin to pedophile crowd').

Well said that man. someone screaming 'how dare you tell me what to do' is a reasonable barometer as to whether you are dealing with someone having a rational argument or one of the 'idiotic' kind.

topper75 wrote: »

You know those times when you absolutely staaaarving for some kale?

Yeah, me ****ing neither.

Devil's advocate warning

you know those times when you don't want to be slaughtered so someone can eat you...yeah me ****ing neither