All Things Met Eireann Related Go in Here (MOD NOTE #1)

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Joanna gave a very good forecast there at 9pm. She pointed out a 'beast' of a storm on it's way and said it was one to watch alright but it's still 4 days away and could track different ways. Too early to cry wolf until we get more accurate data.

First of all, I'm a lurker here, and bow to the expertise of others. Some great info on these threads so first of all thanks to the guys and gals who make a lot of this stuff accessible.

BUT.....
I was annoyed by Joanna last night. Her propensity to be act like a celeb, and to be quotable, is taking away from her job and to me is unprofessional. All the tabloids and clickbait sites are quoting her today with her 'ferocious beast' statement, and building stories of red warnings/met Office say.... etc. The lady on tonight's forecast was much more professional, stated the facts, understated but warning of possible changes/stay in touch etc, but no hype and no attention seeking. She should give lessons to her celebrity wannabe colleague.

Carol25 wrote: »

I don’t agree with this. Joanna is straight talking and I really enjoy her delivery of the weather forecast. Is she supposed to just stand there like a robot and pretend there isn’t a huge low pressure system barrelling towwards us? She was very clear the exact track is uncertain and to stay tuned for updates. Begrudgers are always out in force in Ireland if they think ‘someone is getting carried away with their succees’....

No, her job is to deliver important information in a clear, consise and non hyped manner.
Quotes such as 'a ferocious beast' is nonsense, allowing clickbait sites to use a reputable soirce like met eireann to hype a story on the basis of an exaggerated quote. I won't attribute motivation to her, only to say IMHO it's unprofessional

(never know which thread to use in this forum)

I had thought that storm callum had come and gone a few weeks ago, there were news reports about it https://www.google.ie/search?q=%22Storm+Callum%22&rlz=1C1CHBF_enIE816IE816&tbm=nws&ei=lO-9W8WTF8H0kwXSy6SoDA&start=40&sa=N&biw=2048&bih=1042&dpr=1.25 some say potential storm Callum others just say storm Callum but I guess that never official happened. Wouldn't it be better if Met Eireann kept its list of names secret until they official announced them as storms etc, then news reports wouldn't be able to jump the gun on naming something as if its official.

sryanbruen wrote: »

When Callum was used on here for the Sunday 23 September low, it was always potential Callum as it was easier to say than "that low on Sunday" so to speak. It was never officially named as the storm was dramatically downgraded on model runs closer to the time which was all reported on here and other weather forums. Not in our control how useless the media is.

I wasn't criticising the boards, although ( I think even saying potential callum allows confusion), I was suggesting it as something the Met might do, as discussion point. I welcomed the naming of the storms as I thought it help distinguish them but I think its better to stick with a more vague "that low on Sunday" until it actually becomes a storm or not.

prosaic wrote: »

Weather warnings: Include a probability indicator

I know a lot of people quibble about the warning system. I was just now wondering if it would help to include probability in it? Take this current weather system, Diana, where it is still not at all clear how it might play out.

One could devise a part-red part-orange warning which indicates chances for red and chances for orange, like 30%/70%. This could be a rectangle with left 1/3 of it coloured orange and right 2/3 coloured red in proportion to the probability of 30% - 70%.

No. It would have to be a circle.
Pie charts all the way.

prosaic wrote: »

My rectangle is a two sided argument. There's hardly even a point to a circle.:)

As the warnings are aimed at the general public I suspect the view is to keep them as uncomplicated as possible.

Lokk at all of the opinions . arguments, disagreements over the simple 4 colour system at present.

Image how people would react if you start introducing probabilities.

I understand the point being amde but its the overall target audience that matters, not those that appreciate the finer points.

The back lash has begun, they cant win

https://www.breakingnews.ie/business/retail-industry-body-blast-alarmist-met-eireann-weather-warnings-893018.html

From a Met Eireann point they can be in an impossible position at times.

I'm in retail and it's such an interesting year to watch how different weather events have changed shoppers behaviours.

Ophelia was such a shock. first time red warning really happened.
Business didn't have a clue how to act. Very few, if any had extreme weather plans.
Customer turned it into a party. Many small shops sold more alcohol that Monday than they would at Christmas.
But the big shops didnt. Due to closing

Storm Emma
Was very similar. Small shops stayed open and got cleaned out. Bigger shops had to close ( some got destroyed )
As with Ophelia takeaways had a bumper time of it. But restaurants didn't.
Local pubs that stayed open ran out of booze. City centre ones lost out big time.

The heat wave.
This caused a huge spend in nearly all areas for the first 3/4week of it. Always amazed me how quick stores could find and sell 20tf inflatable pools.
But people soon got tired of it or ran out of money.

This some believe, it
has been somewhat responsible for what many business are seeing as a poor run up to Christmas.

Extreme weather this year has shown me new trends and taught many new things my previous 20 years didn't.


The new weather warming system M.E. are using has changed the game, in this current climate of accountability.

Both M.E. and many business are caught in a no win or big win situation .

SSW -AO and other terms like it could become things business owners will be having dreams or nightmares about

Very interesting times in both weather and business

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Evelyn says it's the weather that is bad not the forecasting.

She was so dismissive

Discodog wrote: »

The problem is the media, not the forecast, turning every forecast into a "killer" event.

I heard or read one report where Met Eireann said that Saturday had been misreported in that they had a warning for the morning but some media had misreported it as lasting all day, can't find evidence of of this now that I look for it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0116/1023682-met-eireann-concern-over-spurious-weather-warnings/

squarecircles wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0116/1023682-met-eireann-concern-over-spurious-weather-warnings/

Saw that. Literally no mention by Eoin Moran or Evelyn of the introduction of an impact-based system.
Has this project fallen off the shelf?
Not long ago a slideshow presentation by Gerry Murphy proposing it was doing the rounds here (possibly linked earlier in this 17 page thread)

seems ok on the main website

National Outlook

Headline: Relatively cool and unsettled weather will continue for the rest of the week.

Monday night: Any scattered showers will die out and the night will be dry, with clear intervals. Minimum temperatures 6 to 8 Celsius, in light to moderate northerly breezes.

Tuesday: Mainly dry and bright, with a mix of cloud and sunny spells, but a few well scattered showers will develop during the day. Temperatuers will be close to normal, or a little below, with maximum values of 14 to 18 Celsius. It will be coolest on north and east facing coasts, in mostly moderate north to northeast winds, winds fresh in some coastal areas. Tuesday night will be mainly dry, but rain may develop on the southeast coast towards morning. Min. 7 to 9 C.

Wednesday: Still some uncertainty in the forecast, but early indications are for a spell of persistent and locally heavy rain to move gradually in from the east, becoming widespread across Leinster and much of Munster by the end of the day, but Atlantic coastal counties will remain mostly dry until Wednesday night. Quite windy, with fresh north to northeast winds, strong on some coasts. Cool in the east and south, with max. temperatures of 12 to 14 Celsius, but milder elsewhere, with values of 13 to 16 Celsius.

Thursday to Sunday, inclusive: Current indications suggest that the weather will remain relatively cool and unsettled with scattered showers and possibly longer spells of rain at times, but good sunny spells also. Winds mostly moderate, northerly at first, becoming mainly west or southwest.

Just checked the app. Can see your point for sure. almost fell asleep reading it.

MidMan25 wrote: »

The national outlook this evening is brutal. Poor grammar, typos, missing words etc.

Room for improvement alright.

https://www.met.ie/forecasts/national-forecast

A low pressure system continues to be close by off the northwest coast with overnight showery rain in the east and north clearing northwards and scattered showers elsewhere and some showers could be heavy, especially in the west and northwest. Top tempertures will still be below average and around 13 to 16 degrees in light to moderate west to southwesterly breezes.

Sunday will see the low pressure system tracking towards Ireland brining scattered showers with it. Over the west and north showers are likely to be more frequent and heavy with the risk of thundery downpours. Top tempertures will edge a degree higher and reach 14 to 17 degrees in light to moderate southerly winds, but fresh near coasts and in and around showers.

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yet another total contradiction between words and pictures tonight (probably to see repeated at 9.25)
Friday to be a washout - but 5 day graphic shows sun! Does anyone pay a blind bit of attention to their own work in that place?

Noticed that also and thought wtf.

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

Status Yellow - Rainfall warning for Munster and Leinster

Heavy Rain will spread from the south Thursday evening and night. Accumulations of 25 to 40mm will occur over a relatively short time period. Spot flooding is likely.

Valid: Thursday 08 August 2019 19:00 to Friday 09 August 2019 07:00

i wonder how many times will they shift about the warning areas,surprised they didnt start their thundery mantra.
which goes as follows

thunderstorms with hail and lightning
difficult driving conditions,reduced visibility
heavy thundery downpours
thundery showers
the odd thundery burst
the odd rumble of thunder
a slight risk of thunder
untill finally nothing.

zell12 wrote: »

What happened to the 07:55 Radio1 forecast today?
It never appeared, even after the 08.00 news. Presenter kept going to ad promos to cover up the difficulties

Yeah, I heard that. Awkward few moments. I'm guessing there was some sort of comms issue between Glasnevin (ME headquarters) and RTE. It's not the first time that link has failed.

Very vague forecast from Gerry Eagleton(i think) on the radio just there now,doesn't go in to much detail after tomorrow for the rest of the week