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    #272
    dense
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Here's another beauty from down there ( 2009 g-earth though so might be fixed by now )

    Fixing the likes of this up would be better than a misery porn ad

    right across from the entrance to a co-op or something :

    https://goo.gl/maps/FjCwBsJEGEv

    7vXCTnq.jpg

    How could someone fling their car into that?
    Take some serious effort to do it.


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    #273
    bfa1509
    Registered Users Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭bfa1509


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    Accidents dont just ‘happen’ I worked in Motor insurance claims - there is always an underlying cause
    Then why do insurance companies split the liability so much even when the cause is clear as day?


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    #274
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Little Less Conversation wrote: »
    I did it because I had to. I lived in rural Ireland and the rules weren't enforced. Who has friends/family to bring along on a drive to work and let them off while you park up your car. I wouldn't do it now though.

    Driving should be thought in schools. Not useless subjects like religion. Give them a life skill that they will have for life.

    No, you didnt, sick of that as an excuse. I don't know why people living rurally arent compelled at all to need to illegally drive and then they get to about 17 and all of a sudden its like somebody held a gun to their head and it wasnt there fault they were compelled into committing this quite dangerous crime.


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    #275
    Alun
    Registered Users Posts: 21,421 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Little Less Conversation wrote: »
    Driving should be thought in schools. Not useless subjects like religion. Give them a life skill that they will have for life.
    :D


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    #276
    Little Less Conversation
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 189 ✭✭Little Less Conversation


    Alun wrote: »
    :D

    Taught


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    #277
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    No, you didnt, sick of that as an excuse. I don't know why people living rurally arent compelled at all to need to illegally drive and then they get to about 17 and all of a sudden its like somebody held a gun to their head and it wasnt there fault they were compelled into committing this quite dangerous crime.

    I live in rural Ireland and never had to???


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    #278
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    I live in rural Ireland and never had to???

    youre family must not have held that imaginary gun to your head that 'forces' so many people to drink drive or drive without a licence in rural Ireland.


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    #279
    Little Less Conversation
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 189 ✭✭Little Less Conversation


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    No, you didnt, sick of that as an excuse. I don't know why people living rurally arent compelled at all to need to illegally drive and then they get to about 17 and all of a sudden its like somebody held a gun to their head and it wasnt there fault they were compelled into committing this quite dangerous crime.

    You're right. I saw everybody else doing it and feck it. I wasn't going to walk to work when I had a car. I knew the rules but you know what, not all of us was privileged enough to have parents or siblings to sit in with us. I wanted to learn and took lessons, bought a car. So it's not like I just sat behind a wheel and thought myself. It probably would have taken me longer to gain the confidence to pass without a car. And you know what, I never caused an accident so they aren't all liabilities.

    I wouldn't do it now. But my whole point was that this man doesn't have a right to be talking about the girl's family when everybody (except a few) was at it and he probably does have family that did it as well.


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    #280
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    youre family must not have held that imaginary gun to your head that 'forces' so many people to drink drive or drive without a licence in rural Ireland.

    Amazing, but she kills someone and is convicted and they want it brushed under the carpet.

    Anyone here have a relative/friend killed in an RTI?


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    #281
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    Little Less Conversation wrote: »
    You're right. I saw everybody else doing it and feck it. I wasn't going to walk to work when I had a car. I knew the rules but you know what, not all of us was privileged enough to have parents or siblings to sit in with us. I wanted to learn and took lessons, bought a car. So it's not like I just sat behind a wheel and thought myself. It probably would have taken me longer to gain the confidence to pass without a car. And you know what, I never caused an accident so they aren't all liabilities.

    I wouldn't do it now. But my whole point was that this man doesn't have a right to be talking about the girl's family when everybody (except a few) was at it and he probably does have family that did it as well.

    So you don't believe in free speech? He isn't slandering anyone. She killed his family members


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    #282
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    So you don't believe in free speech? He isn't slandering anyone.
    She killed his family members

    She clipped their car.

    Their car went through a gap in the wall that was "there for years"

    Whoever didn't fixup the wall with the car-sized gap in it killed them

    The water was 2.62 feet ( 0.8 meters ) deep - why didn't any of the bystanders break a window ?



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    #283
    horse7
    Registered Users Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭horse7


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    It will teach others not to drive alone unless fully qualified

    How do you report unqualified drivers who are driving?


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    #284
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    They should do another one about that one Dayna Kearney who killed her 3 mates when she drove a car unaccompanied as a learner with an under-inflated tyre. Her lack of experience and inability to do basic checks / realise basic faults on her car directly caused the deaths of those three.
    Yeah. Dayna Kearney hasn’t been punished enough for taking her mates on a great day out which ended up with the mates dying. She’s not suffering enough already every day and every night. Let’s torture her and her family every night on the TV too. I’ll tell you what Eric why don’t you find out where she lives and you can lead the lynch mob round there to burn her house down... she deserves it..


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    #285
    Little Less Conversation
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 189 ✭✭Little Less Conversation


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    So you don't believe in free speech? He isn't slandering anyone. She killed his family members

    I read a piece with him giving out about her family. About he's so good to never allow this own kids out alone in the car and said something about her family and why rules don't apply to them. That's very unfair to be talking about her family like that. What happened was an accident and he's making everyone accountable for his family's death.


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    #286
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Yeah. Dayna Kearney hasn’t been punished enough for taking her mates on a great day out which ended up with the mates dying. She’s not suffering enough already every day and every night. Let’s torture her and her family every night on the TV too. I’ll tell you what Eric why don’t you find out where she lives and you can lead the lynch mob round there to burn her house down... she deserves it..

    Why are you apologising for somebody who killed three people through her own driving incompetence and bad judgement. This thread and many other threads all celebrate when drink drivers and other people who caused tragedies on the roads in similar circumstances are rightfully locked up and shamed by our media.

    Why the double standards, why when a young woman makes horrific decisions that result in the deaths of people do people get defensive and claim theyve suffered with having to live with it, if it was a 40 year old man people would rightly be vilifying him. Drop your double standards and realise shes just as bad as the rest of them.


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    #287
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Eric Cartman wrote: »

    Why are you apologising for somebody who killed three people through her own driving incompetence and bad judgement. .


    Gda O’Halloran believed the rear right tyre had gone flat over the course of the journey before the accident


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    #288
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    gctest50 wrote: »
    An engineer called by the defence said he felt there had to have been “some injury” to the tyre before the car went out of control. Once it did, he said, Ms Kearney would not have been able to correct it.

    The tyre was under inflated and they deemed that she didnt recognise that and that it became damaged due to that. A competent driver would have recognised what driving on a flat tyre felt like, pulled over and changed it.


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    #289
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    gctest50 wrote: »
    She clipped their car.

    Their car went through a gap in the wall that was "there for years"

    Whoever didn't fixup the wall with the car-sized gap in it killed them

    The water was 2.62 feet ( 0.8 meters ) deep - why didn't any of the bystanders break a window ?



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    They wouldn’t have been horrifically injured/killed smashing against a wall?

    She is guilty of a criminal offence -stop trying to belittle her actions


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    #290
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    Little Less Conversation wrote: »
    I read a piece with him giving out about her family. About he's so good to never allow this own kids out alone in the car and said something about her family and why rules don't apply to them. That's very unfair to be talking about her family like that. What happened was an accident and he's making everyone accountable for his family's death.

    It wasnt an accident. She was responsible


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    #291
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    They wouldn’t have been horrifically injured/killed smashing against a wall?

    She is guilty of a criminal offence -stop trying to belittle her actions

    as with my post above , some people just refuse to blame women for their actions behind the wheel, always somebody elses fault.....


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    #292
    [Deleted User]
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The tyre was under inflated and they deemed that she didnt recognise that and that it became damaged due to that. A competent driver would have recognised what driving on a flat tyre felt like, pulled over and changed it.


    Someone in work the other day drove from their house to work with a FULLY FLAT tyre.
    10kms and when i went to change it,it was 100% bald.
    A fully licensed driver for years.
    Also told another woman in work he 2 front tyres were bald before Christmas,
    again fully licensed for years .


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    #293
    Needles73
    Registered Users Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Needles73


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    It wasnt an accident. She was responsible

    What has the fact she was responsible mean it wasn’t an accident ?


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    #294
    Little Less Conversation
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 189 ✭✭Little Less Conversation


    lbc2019 wrote: »
    It wasnt an accident. She was responsible

    It was an accident. She didn't set out to kill them.


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    #295
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Why are you apologising for somebody who killed three people through her own driving incompetence and bad judgement. This thread and many other threads all celebrate when drink drivers and other people who caused tragedies on the roads in similar circumstances are rightfully locked up and shamed by our media.



    Why the double standards, why when a young woman makes horrific decisions that result in the deaths of people do people get defensive and claim theyve suffered with having to live with it, if it was a 40 year old man people would rightly be vilifying him. Drop your double standards and realise shes just as bad as the rest of them.
    “She’s just as bad as the rest of them”.
    Like another poster on this thread you totally lack the capacity to discriminate when it comes to culpability.
    You genuinely cannot see the difference between
    1. A 40 year old man, who drives professionally for a living in his sales job, but thinks it’s normal to drink 9 pints in the middle of the day before getting into his car and crashing into a family killing their 4 year old son, then running away and ultimately going to court to appeal his 7 1/2 year sentence
    And
    2. A 20 year old girl who’s friends happily got into her defective car knowing that she’s no license but are delighted anyway to head off on a fun day out that ended in tragedy.
    In your mind she is as bad as he is.


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    #296
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The tyre was under inflated and they deemed that she didnt recognise that and that it became damaged due to that. A competent driver would have recognised what driving on a flat tyre felt like, pulled over and changed it.



    Engineer John Hayes, for the defence, said he noticed the cat’s eyes were particularly high prior to the scuff mark on the road.

    The risk of damage to a deflated tyre from these cat’s eyes was significantly greater, he said.

    “I felt there had to be some injury to the tyre that had occurred within a short period prior to the event,” he said.


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    #297
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    BrownFinger wrote: »
    Someone in work the other day drove from their house to work with a FULLY FLAT tyre.
    10kms and when i went to change it,it was 100% bald.
    A fully licensed driver for years.
    Also told another woman in work he 2 front tyres were bald before Christmas,
    again fully licensed for years .

    then our licencing process needs to be reformed. Those two women shouldnt be on the road if they cant recognise the obvious feeling of a flat tyre , recognise bald tyres etc....


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    #298
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭pablo128


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    as with my post above , some people just refuse to blame women for their actions behind the wheel, always somebody elses fault.....

    I was just thinking if it was a 21 yr old man from Tallaght, Finglas, Ballymun, Ballyfermot, there wouldn't be half the amount of apologists on here.


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    #299
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Engineer John Hayes, for the defence, said he noticed the cat’s eyes were particularly high prior to the scuff mark on the road.

    The risk of damage to a deflated tyre from these cat’s eyes was significantly greater, he said.

    “I felt there had to be some injury to the tyre that had occurred within a short period prior to the event,” he said.

    its not like the tyre deflated in 5 meters. It was a deflated tyre that she was driving on for a while before it hit anything. You edited your above post so much but one version mentioned a slow puncture, there were a few different viewpoints as to how long she was driving on that flat tyre but none of them are a short enough time to not recognise it, pull over and change it.


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    #300
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    pablo128 wrote: »
    I was just thinking if it was a 21 yr old man from Tallaght, Finglas, Ballymun, Ballyfermot, there wouldn't be half the amount of apologists on here.

    thats exactly it, sure I remember in 2008 I think it was , there was some young lad showing off his car on the last day of the leaving cert and was driving through lucan village and ended up killing 2 of his mates, not determined speeding or dangerous driving but the media were calling for his head, the adrian ennedy phoneshow was alight with people asking for him to be in prison , he still has people calling him a scumbag and a murderer and all sorts for it.

    Its a complete double standard.


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    #301
    dense
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Engineer John Hayes, for the defence, said he noticed the cat’s eyes were particularly high prior to the scuff mark on the road.

    The risk of damage to a deflated tyre from these cat’s eyes was significantly greater, he said.

    “I felt there had to be some injury to the tyre that had occurred within a short period prior to the event,” he said.

    Feelings about some injury to the tyre caused by cats eyes that were particularly high. A guess then, an educated guess, but still a guess.

    How high were they as a matter of interest? I don't think that was revealed?.

    Were they subsequently lowered to prevent a reoccurrence? I don't think that was ever reported on either.


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