Strokestown Mod Note in Post #4461

Sycamore Tree · 27-12-2018 10:43pm

gandalf wrote: »

What I laugh about is how people have to be labelled right wing or left wing when they comment on a thread like this or on any social issue. Personally I have certain ideas and values that would be socialist in nature and at the same time I'd have other values that would be conservative. It's a very lazy mind that tries to classify people into neat little pigeon holes. It's too black and white for me.

In this case it is very clear that the individual in question didn't bother his ass to pay back what he owed. His behaviour should be offensive to left leaning and right leaning people equally.

Commie!

Ash.J.Williams · 27-12-2018 10:59pm

Seeing what happened with the security would instantly make me take the side of the defaulter but in reality how do you deal with this situation? Eviction is the only way I guess,?

anewme · 27-12-2018 11:34pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Seeing what happened with the security would instantly make me take the side of the defaulter but in reality how do you deal with this situation? Eviction is the only way I guess,?

Why would it make you take the side of the defaulter?

people not paying for over 10 years rolling around on the ground looking for notice.

They are taking ppl for Fools. Not sure why anyone with a bit of cop on would feel sorry for them in any way.

There's ppl who fall on hard times a d then there's complete piss takers.

blanch152 · 27-12-2018 11:42pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite a reasonable assessment about the whole "To what extent does the difficulty in evicting people lead to higher mortgage interest rates" here:

Is Ireland’s low rate of repossession the reason mortgage rates are so high?

Personally, I'd be inclined to think it's very unfair to people who must go out and work for their mortgage if somebody can stay somewhere and simply not pay for it. This is particularly so when the person in question has a record of tax evasion. There are far, far too many of these parasitic buckos in Irish society. In this case justice is actually served by removing the person in question from what is, in fact, somebody else's property. On the other hand, there's a definite, unmistakable rightwing whiff of the spirit of landlordism and land agents off some of the people in this thread who are saying something similar so I'm conflicted.

Interesting.

If banks were behaving rationally, they might start to offer lower mortgage rates to investors with some capital equity than to new home buyers, as the ability to repay, the protection against falls in value and the ability to repossess in case of default would be better in the case of the investors, making them lesser risk.

BBFAN · 28-12-2018 7:21pm

anewme wrote: »

Why would it make you take the side of the defaulter?

people not paying for over 10 years rolling around on the ground looking for notice.

They are taking ppl for Fools. Not sure why anyone with a bit of cop on would feel sorry for them in any way.

There's ppl who fall on hard times a d then there's complete piss takers.

Yes but not everyone who seen that video for the first time knew anything of this mans history so it does make sense to feel sorry for him if you didn't know.

Edgware · 28-12-2018 8:11pm

BBFAN wrote: »

Yes but not everyone who seen that video for the first time knew anything of this mans history so it does make sense to feel sorry for him if you didn't know.

If you have no cop onto realise theres more to this story.

namloc1980 · 28-12-2018 8:20pm

YOUR HOME IS AT RISK IF YOU DO NOT KEEP UP PAYMENTS ON A MORTGAGE OR ANY LOAN SECURED ON IT.

This is the fundamental component of a mortgage and the main warning on mortgage documents. It has very little meaning in Ireland though where non payers are cheered on by irresponsible politicians and bleeding hearts.

Omackeral · 28-12-2018 8:30pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

YOUR HOME IS AT RISK IF YOU DO NOT KEEP UP PAYMENTS ON A MORTGAGE OR ANY LOAN SECURED ON IT.

This is the fundamental component of a mortgage and the main warning on mortgage documents. It has very little meaning in Ireland though where non payers are cheered on by irresponsible politicians and bleeding hearts.

YeAh BuT iTs ChRiStMaS!

expectationlost · 29-12-2018 1:07am

anewme wrote: »

Why would it make you take the side of the defaulter?

people not paying for over 10 years rolling around on the ground looking for notice.

They are taking ppl for Fools. Not sure why anyone with a bit of cop on would feel sorry for them in any way.

There's ppl who fall on hard times a d then there's complete piss takers.

which is the mcgann in that video?

Ash.J.Williams · 29-12-2018 2:01pm

anewme wrote: »

Why would it make you take the side of the defaulter?

people not paying for over 10 years rolling around on the ground looking for notice.

They are taking ppl for Fools. Not sure why anyone with a bit of cop on would feel sorry for them in any way.

There's ppl who fall on hard times a d then there's complete piss takers.

I would never side with ex terrorist scum. There was a vat issue there too, the man could have quite legally been jailed for that and then the house could have taken easily.

PuppyMcPupFace · 29-12-2018 2:31pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I would never side with ex terrorist scum. There was a vat issue there too, the man could have quite legally been jailed for that and then the house could have taken easily.

Yeah because the numbnuts protesting wouldn't have caused ructions outside the court and then the jail would they ???

Ash.J.Williams · 29-12-2018 2:44pm

PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »

Yeah because the numbnuts protesting wouldn't have caused ructions outside the court and then the jail would they ???

Shouldn't think so, for vat fraud?

PuppyMcPupFace · 29-12-2018 2:47pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Shouldn't think so, for vat fraud?

One FB post from the morons in the AAA crowd about the falsely accused and yeah - there would be.

Ash.J.Williams · 29-12-2018 2:48pm

PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »

One FB post from the morons in the AAA crowd about the falsely accused and yeah - there would be.

People get jailed everyday for vat can't see any issue there

blueythebear · 29-12-2018 2:54pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

People get jailed everyday for vat can't see any issue there

The tax issue was resolved via a settlement as I understand it back in 2015. Plus, jailing the man for revenue issues is not something that the Bank has any control over nor any knowledge of so I don't see why the Bank should have to wait several years for the Revenue to prosecute, not knowing anything about the case that might be against the borrower.

The Bank would have no insight even if the man was pending prosecution by revenue, as to the nature of the alleged crime and whether Mr McGann might have been jailed over the issue. The Bank cannot wait for the man to be possibly jailed over some revenue issue that they have no knowledge about.

29-12-2018 2:58pm

blueythebear wrote: »

The tax issue was resolved via a settlement as I understand it back in 2015. Plus, jailing the man for revenue issues is not something that the Bank has any control over nor any knowledge of so I don't see why the Bank should have to wait several years for the Revenue to prosecute, not knowing anything about the case that might be against the borrower.

The Bank would have no insight even if the man was pending prosecution by revenue, as to the nature of the alleged crime and whether Mr McGann might have been jailed over the issue. The Bank cannot wait for the man to be possibly jailed over some revenue issue that they have no knowledge about.

I thought that the VAT was still outstanding?

blueythebear · 29-12-2018 2:59pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought that the VAT was still outstanding?

Irish Times indicated that a settlement was entered into in 2015:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/roscommon-eviction-farmer-has-unpaid-debts-going-back-years-1.3734439

PuppyMcPupFace · 29-12-2018 3:55pm

blueythebear wrote: »

Irish Times indicated that a settlement was entered into in 2015:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/roscommon-eviction-farmer-has-unpaid-debts-going-back-years-1.3734439

That assumes he paid anything- he's entered into a fair few agreements the sponging wastee hsd zero intention of paying.

No wonder the skanger class hail him as a hero.

Snickers Man · 30-12-2018 7:27pm

anewme wrote: »

Anna Kavanagh, who gave publicity to the whole shambles, has disappeared off Facebook and all her videos gone. Anyone know why?

Because she was brain-lamingly crap?

Of all the attributes of a live-media journalist (as opposed to the print variety): fluency, articulacy, familiarity with subject matter, objectivity, insight, she had proficiency in.....well, none of them, to be honest.

There is a Facebook page called "Where is Anna Kavanagh?" but it doesn't seem to be visited much. Just saying......;)

weldoninhio · 30-12-2018 10:15pm

Snickers Man wrote: »

Because she was brain-lamingly crap?

Of all the attributes of a live-media journalist (as opposed to the print variety): fluency, articulacy, familiarity with subject matter, objectivity, insight, she had proficiency in.....well, none of them, to be honest.

There is a Facebook page called "Where is Anna Kavanagh?" but it doesn't seem to be visited much. Just saying......;)

No, everyone knows that Leo Varadkardashian had a face to face meeting with Zuck and told him to stop people from being able to view that page or he could no longer employ thousands of people in Ireland.

Wake up sheeple!!!

razor8 · 31-12-2018 9:11am

blueythebear wrote: »

Irish Times indicated that a settlement was entered into in 2015:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/roscommon-eviction-farmer-has-unpaid-debts-going-back-years-1.3734439

Settlement agreed but never paid

31-12-2018 9:12am

razor8 wrote: »

Settlement agreed but never paid

That was my understanding too.

whisky_galore · 31-12-2018 11:03am

Omackeral wrote: »

YeAh BuT iTs ChRiStMaS!

Could be Pancake Day for all I care about this defaulter.

Grayson · 31-12-2018 11:07am

Snickers Man wrote: »

Because she was brain-lamingly crap?

Of all the attributes of a live-media journalist (as opposed to the print variety): fluency, articulacy, familiarity with subject matter, objectivity, insight, she had proficiency in.....well, none of them, to be honest.

There is a Facebook page called "Where is Anna Kavanagh?" but it doesn't seem to be visited much. Just saying......;)

Her twitter and youtube pages were crazy. The woman is unhinged.

blueythebear · 31-12-2018 11:10am

razor8 wrote: »

Settlement agreed but never paid

The media have said that he entered into a settlement in 2015 but there is no indication of whether he stuck to that agreement or not. Given his history, you would be forgiven for thinking he may have not stuck to the letter of that agreement!

But, then Revenue would likely have moved against him again and there does not seem to be any evidence of this, in terms of a conviction or further proceedings. I presume that the Times or the Indo would have been able to dig this up if it existed.

31-12-2018 11:18am

Grayson wrote: »

Her twitter and youtube pages were crazy. The woman is unhinged.

I reckon that her family intervened and put a stop to her ramblings for her own safety.

gandalf · 31-12-2018 11:51am

blueythebear wrote: »

The media have said that he entered into a settlement in 2015 but there is no indication of whether he stuck to that agreement or not. Given his history, you would be forgiven for thinking he may have not stuck to the letter of that agreement!

But, then Revenue would likely have moved against him again and there does not seem to be any evidence of this, in terms of a conviction or further proceedings. I presume that the Times or the Indo would have been able to dig this up if it existed.

If they were aware of KBC's action against him they'd have waited in the wings for the repossession and sale as they would have first dibs on any cash raised.

blueythebear · 31-12-2018 12:13pm

gandalf wrote: »

If they were aware of KBC's action against him they'd have waited in the wings for the repossession and sale as they would have first dibs on any cash raised.

KBC's claim based on a first legal charge will come before Revenues' claim, who don't even appear to have obtained a judgement. There appears to have been a settlement prior to Revenue issuing any proceedings anyway.

JCJCJC · 01-01-2019 11:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I reckon that her family intervened and put a stop to her ramblings for her own safety.

Was she the originator of the idea that the McCanns were “pulled out by the ears”? That was repeated in the Dáil by Pearce the shinner, he won’t like it if he has to correct the record if he mislead the house.

demanufactured · 01-01-2019 11:41pm

So what's the latest, has McGann been jailed yet?
He's a criminal after all.

Brendan Bendar · 02-01-2019 4:46am

namloc1980 wrote: »

YOUR HOME IS AT RISK IF YOU DO NOT KEEP UP PAYMENTS ON A MORTGAGE OR ANY LOAN SECURED ON IT.

This is the fundamental component of a mortgage and the main warning on mortgage documents. It has very little meaning in Ireland though where non payers are cheered on by irresponsible politicians and bleeding hearts.

Absolutely, it’s these people who should be in the spotlight.

Local politicians ‘covering their ass’ and trying to be all things to all men.

It’s way beyond the time these irresponsible folk were called out, and for once the side of the taxpayer was considered.

If people ,as reported, like Fitzmaurice, had their way ,it would appear that it’s fine to not repay and not have the asset seized.

Madness.

orm0nd · 02-01-2019 8:24am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

If people ,as reported, like Fitzmaurice, had their way ,it would appear that it’s fine to not repay and not have the asset seized.

Madness.

Can you post the link to where Fitzmaurice stated so.

Thanks

Brendan Bendar · 02-01-2019 9:31am

orm0nd wrote: »

Can you post the link to where Fitzmaurice stated so.

Thanks

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Independent Roscommon TD Michael Fitzmaurice has denied that comments he made in the Dáil last week had incited violence.
On Wednesday during a Dáil debate on the Anti-Evictions Bill he had warned that “Irish people need to wake up, especially if people are coming from the North. We must take them on and stop what is happening.”
He said many people were receiving notice-to-quit letters from banks selling buy-to-let properties. “In my opinion many of the banks involved are scum.”
On RTɒs Morning Ireland Mr Fitzmaurice rejected the suggestion that he was inciting violence in his comments about evictions.
“Violence solves nothing. We have to sit down and work with people, including the banks.”

Sorry having wi-fi break up I’m my area will try again later.

zimmermania · 02-01-2019 9:56am

P_1 wrote: »

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=521998308280272&id=433698377110266

Context. KBC are trying to evict people from a property in Strokestown. On Tuesday a gang of people from north of the border who identify as British moved in on the property, assaulting people ( there are videos floating about online about this). Last night a large group of people seemingly took the property back, 2 dogs are dead and several northern registered vans have been burnt out.

Several questions. Main one is what on earth were KBC thinking going down this road? Have they no idea of the historical context of doing this? Second question is how this is going to be framed by the national media.

Context.KBC were trying to get people to leave a property that they own.The people they were trying to evict did not own the property and never did.

You describe the security team as a "gang" and you describe the masked and armed gang who"took the property back" as a "group"

Main question.What was the original owner doing putting up his house and land as security for a loan which he defaulted on?And why did he fail to engage with the bank over a period of many years.

His actions and those of the gang of masked men who beat up the security guards and burned several vechicles have ensured that ordinary decent farmers wild find it difficult to borrow money using their houses and land as a guarantee against default and if they do manage to get get a loan will have to pay higher interest rates due to the events that you described in such a subjective manner.

goat2 · 02-01-2019 2:30pm

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Independent Roscommon TD Michael Fitzmaurice has denied that comments he made in the Dáil last week had incited violence.
On Wednesday during a Dáil debate on the Anti-Evictions Bill he had warned that “Irish people need to wake up, especially if people are coming from the North. We must take them on and stop what is happening.”
He said many people were receiving notice-to-quit letters from banks selling buy-to-let properties. “In my opinion many of the banks involved are scum.”
On RTɒs Morning Ireland Mr Fitzmaurice rejected the suggestion that he was inciting violence in his comments about evictions.
“Violence solves nothing. We have to sit down and work with people, including the banks.”

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were those his exact words

Brendan Bendar · 02-01-2019 3:11pm

goat2 wrote: »

were those his exact words

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

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Independent Roscommon TD Michael Fitzmaurice has denied that comments he made in the Dáil last week had incited violence.
On Wednesday during a Dáil debate on the Anti-Evictions Bill he had warned that “Irish people need to wake up, especially if people are coming from the North. We must take them on and stop what is happening.”
He said many people were receiving notice-to-quit letters from banks selling buy-to-let properties. “In my opinion many of the banks involved are scum.”
On RTɒs Morning Ireland Mr Fitzmaurice rejected the suggestion that he was inciting violence in his comments about evictions.
“Violence solves nothing. We have to sit down and work with people, including the banks.”

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I presume the passages quoted were....

weldoninhio · 02-01-2019 4:22pm

The problem with a certain cohort in Ireland is that every one of them know their “rights” but very few understand their responsibilities.

10-01-2019 6:07pm

An arrest has been made into the early morning incident of December 16. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/man-54-arrested-in-connection-with-strokestown-incident-896762.html

Brendan Bendar · 10-01-2019 6:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

An arrest has been made into the early morning incident of December 16. https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/man-54-arrested-in-connection-with-strokestown-incident-896762.html

This will be interesting Maryanne, especially the background of those arrested.

More to come apparently, which is good .

LessOutragePlz · 10-01-2019 6:19pm

Hopefully justice will be done and those responsible for the crimes will be punished.

liam7831 · 10-01-2019 6:21pm

LessOutragePlz wrote:

Hopefully justice will be done and those responsible for the crimes will be punished.

Be hard to convict as they were working for the bank

10-01-2019 6:26pm

liam7831 wrote: »

Be hard to convict as they were working for the bank

I thought that they were a bunch of vigilantes “supporting” the family?

LessOutragePlz · 10-01-2019 6:36pm

liam7831 wrote: »

Be hard to convict as they were working for the bank

Na I'm talking about the scumbags that attacked the security guards.

Brendan Bendar · 10-01-2019 6:46pm

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Na I'm talking about the scumbags that attacked the security guards.

Polis will fillet those tossers Lesser, should kick off fairly soon.

James Brown · 10-01-2019 6:50pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

The problem with a certain cohort in Ireland is that every one of them know their “rights” but very few understand their responsibilities.

That's true is all walks to be fair. I'd say most know their 'responsibilities' but it if ain't illegal, can't be bothered.

christy c · 10-01-2019 8:32pm

liam7831 wrote: »

Be hard to convict as they were working for the bank

What crimes did they commit?

10-01-2019 9:08pm

christy c wrote: »

What crimes did they commit?

From the link in my post. “ three security guards were hospitalised, a dog was put down as a result of its injuries, and vehicles were burnt out”

christy c · 10-01-2019 9:43pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

From the link in my post. “ three security guards were hospitalised, a dog was put down as a result of its injuries, and vehicles were burnt out”

By "they", I meant the people hired by the banks.

keavebm · 10-01-2019 10:12pm

christy c wrote:

By "they", I meant the people hired by the banks.

Beat up innocent people while the guards looked on. If u read this thread from the start you would know.

10-01-2019 10:16pm

christy c wrote: »

By "they", I meant the people hired by the banks.

Do you mean people hired by the banks to carry out a legal eviction? You do know that people cannot stay forever in homes without paying for said home?

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