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22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

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  • #512
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Odhinn wrote: »
    He isn't attacking Ireland, just racists. That surely wouldn't bother you.

    He's just spouting slogans really. There's little thought behind them.


  • #513
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    DS86DS wrote: »
    He's attacking Irish Nationalism and the idea of putting the people of Ireland first just as the Civil War generation who founded this state intended

    Hostile to Irish Nationalism and pro-open borders nonsense.




    No, he's just attacking racists (and FG'ers). You can see it in his post where he says

    Racist boards.ie posters OUT.
    Take the FG supporters with you
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109001897&postcount=488


    Anyhoo, as I was asking earlier, are you the Irish Trump you say this country needs?


  • #514
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    DS86DS wrote: »
    He's attacking Irish Nationalism and the idea of putting the people of Ireland first just as the Civil War generation who founded this state intended

    Hostile to Irish Nationalism and pro-open borders nonsense.

    No that's nonsense. You're attributing blame to migrants and refugees for anything you can. You most likely even believe that it's some nefarious global conspiracy. Irish nationalism was not based upon racism.


  • #515
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    batgoat wrote: »
    No that's nonsense. You're attributing blame to migrants and refugees for anything you can. You most likely even believe that it's some nefarious global conspiracy. Irish nationalism was not based upon racism.

    Please elaborate on that.


  • #516
    jochenstacker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 390 ✭✭jochenstacker


    DS86DS wrote: »
    He's attacking Irish Nationalism and the idea of putting the people of Ireland first just as the Civil War generation who founded this state intended

    Hostile to Irish Nationalism and pro-open borders nonsense.

    Well, some people don't crap their pants because of a few families from Syria.
    And in the end your point has been noted, considered and rejected.
    In the end it's thankfully not up to you, but feel free to keep bleating on about it.


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  • #517
    MarkHenderson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭MarkHenderson


    DS86DS wrote: »
    Such a patriotic Irishman.

    Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia or Sierra Leone if they are so great and you hate Ireland so much.

    Just don't bring the wife if she's not prepared to wear a blanket as her daily outfit, or be gay, or have a disabled child etc...


  • #518
    DS86DS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    batgoat wrote: »
    No that's nonsense. You're attributing blame to migrants and refugees for anything you can. You most likely even believe that it's some nefarious global conspiracy. Irish nationalism was not based upon racism.

    It seems that "racist' is the new code word for been pro-Irish people in the state of Ireland.

    And what kind of nonsense, rewriting of history is that. Irish Nationalism was solely based on the will of the Irish people to govern themselves and for Ireland to belong to the Irish people. It is why it is thanks to Irish Nationalism that we had the Land Commission which gave small time Irish farmers the land that British landlords living in London had decided somewhere down the line was there's for turning a profit on

    We have never had some tepid Civic Nationalism based on a mere idea. The foundation of the Irish state and Irish Nationalism was first and foremost about putting the Irish people in charge of their destiny and the destiny of Ireland.

    No doubt this basic historical fact is uncomfortable to Liberals and pro-EU sorts with their hostile hatred for the idea of Irish Nationalism and the idea of the Irish people been an ethnicity with the ancient right to inhabit and control the destiny of Ireland.

    Open borders and EU membership are the banes of 21st century Ireland. It's high time that we take our country back, particularly with the 100th anniversary of Irish Independence approaching.


  • #519
    jochenstacker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 390 ✭✭jochenstacker


    New drinking game, every time DS86DS says "Irish" or "Ireland"


  • #520
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "take our country back" :rolleyes:

    Take us back to the glorious 1950's.......Yawn


  • #521
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,055 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    engiweirdo wrote: »
    What about the lads fleeing from war torn France? Won't anyone think of them?

    Not the same.


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  • #522
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    DS86DS wrote: »
    It seems that "racist' is the new code word for been pro-Irish people in the state of Ireland.

    And what kind of nonsense, rewriting of history is that. Irish Nationalism was solely based on the will of the Irish people to govern themselves and for Ireland to belong to the Irish people. It is why it is thanks to Irish Nationalism that we had the Land Commission which gave small time Irish farmers the land that British landlords living in London had decided somewhere down the line was there's for turning a profit on

    We have never had some tepid Civic Nationalism based on a mere idea. The foundation of the Irish state and Irish Nationalism was first and foremost about putting the Irish people in charge of their destiny and the destiny of Ireland.

    No doubt this basic historical fact is uncomfortable to Liberals and pro-EU sorts with their hostile hatred for the idea of Irish Nationalism and the idea of the Irish people been an ethnicity with the ancient right to inhabit and control the destiny of Ireland.

    Open borders and EU membership are the banes of 21st century Ireland. It's high time that we take our country back, particularly with the 100th anniversary of Irish Independence approaching.


    So you've a problem with the Poles, latvians, lithuanians, romanians etc?


  • #523
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    DS86DS wrote: »
    It seems that "racist' is the new code word for been pro-Irish people in the state of Ireland.

    And what kind of nonsense, rewriting of history is that. Irish Nationalism was solely based on the will of the Irish people to govern themselves and for Ireland to belong to the Irish people. It is why it is thanks to Irish Nationalism that we had the Land Commission which gave small time Irish farmers the land that British landlords living in London had decided somewhere down the line was there's for turning a profit on

    We have never had some tepid Civic Nationalism based on a mere idea. The foundation of the Irish state and Irish Nationalism was first and foremost about putting the Irish people in charge of their destiny and the destiny of Ireland.

    No doubt this basic historical fact is uncomfortable to Liberals and pro-EU sorts with their hostile hatred for the idea of Irish Nationalism and the idea of the Irish people been an ethnicity with the ancient right to inhabit and control the destiny of Ireland.

    Open borders and EU membership are the banes of 21st century Ireland. It's high time that we take our country back, particularly with the 100th anniversary of Irish Independence approaching.

    What a rant. We never gave up our sovereignty so buying into pro brexit arguments doesn't really work. We also gained an economy that would not be possible without the EU. Irish nationalism does not equal immigration being bad, even de Valera was an immigrant.

    In fact, the likes of James Connolly was the antithesis of your viewpoint, he was a Marxist. You think there's a big global conspiracy by the communists, don't you? :rolleyes:

    So overall, your idea that Irish nationalism is a justification for racism is rubbish, people who are fine with immigrants or refugees are not 'anti-Irish'. Our country hasn't been taken off of us, we don't need a Donald Trump and the reality is most leaders throughout the ages would have viewed him as a blubbering moron.


  • #524
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    batgoat wrote: »
    Irish nationalism was not based upon racism.

    I'll ask you again - please elaborate on this statement.


  • #525
    DS86DS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    batgoat wrote: »
    What a rant. We never gave up our sovereignty so buying into pro brexit arguments doesn't really work. We also gained an economy that would not be possible without the EU. Irish nationalism does not equal immigration being bad, even de Valera was an immigrant.

    In fact, the likes of James Connolly was the antithesis of your viewpoint, he was a Marxist. You think there's a big global conspiracy by the communists, don't you? :rolleyes:

    So overall, your idea that Irish nationalism is a justification for racism is rubbish, people who are fine with immigrants or refugees are not 'anti-Irish'. Our country hasn't been taken off of us, we don't need a Donald Trump and the reality is most leaders throughout the ages would have viewed him as a blubbering moron.

    You underestimate the Irish people. There is a large silent majority who are afraid to voice their opinions due to obnoxious leftist thugs who will shout them down the second they dare raise an opinion that leftists disagree with.

    And as for James Connolly. Since when did his vision of Ireland come to fruition? The Irish people choose Nationalism over his brand of Socialism and thankfully so.

    James Connolly would not get elected today anymore than he would at any other time in the State's history. The Irish are a fundamentally conservative lot. Although I still respect the man and he was a nationalist in his own right and fought for Ireland, unlike our leaders today.

    We are only experiencing such rapid and destructive changes due to a few traitors who hold Ireland in contempt. The people who run the media and universities with an agenda, and then brainwash the gullible with their Cultural Marxist indoctrination.

    It's obvious that many gullible people here have fallen for it. But this site is a liberal anomaly in an otherwise conservative society.

    And anybody who tries to claim that the EU doesn't impact on Irish sovereignty is not only lying, but doing a terrible job of it


  • #526
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    ...Ireland for the Irish.

    - James Connolly
    Ireland without her people is nothing to me

    - James Connolly


  • #527
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    DS86DS wrote: »
    You underestimate the Irish people. There is a large silent majority who are afraid to voice their opinions due to obnoxious leftist thugs who will shout them down the second they dare raise an opinion that leftists disagree with.

    And as for James Connolly. Since when did his vision of Ireland come to fruition? The Irish people choose Nationalism over his brand of Socialism and thankfully so.

    James Connolly would not get elected todayz anymore than he would at any other time in the State's history. The Irish are a fundamentally conservative lot.

    We are only experiencing such rapid and destructive changes due to a few traitors who hold Ireland in contempt. The people who run the media and universities with an agenda, and then brainwash the gullible with their Cultural Marxist indoctrination.

    It's obvious that many gullible people here have fallen for it. But this site is a liberal anomaly in an otherwise conservative society.

    And anybody who tries to claim that the EU doesn't impact on Irish sovereignty is not only lying, but doing a terrible job of it


    You've a problem with the Poles, latvians, lithuanians, romanians?


  • #528
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,560 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    DS86DS wrote: »
    It seems that "racist' is the new code word for been pro-Irish people in the state of Ireland.

    And what kind of nonsense, rewriting of history is that. Irish Nationalism was solely based on the will of the Irish people to govern themselves and for Ireland to belong to the Irish people. It is why it is thanks to Irish Nationalism that we had the Land Commission which gave small time Irish farmers the land that British landlords living in London had decided somewhere down the line was there's for turning a profit on

    We have never had some tepid Civic Nationalism based on a mere idea. The foundation of the Irish state and Irish Nationalism was first and foremost about putting the Irish people in charge of their destiny and the destiny of Ireland.

    No doubt this basic historical fact is uncomfortable to Liberals and pro-EU sorts with their hostile hatred for the idea of Irish Nationalism and the idea of the Irish people been an ethnicity with the ancient right to inhabit and control the destiny of Ireland.

    Open borders and EU membership are the banes of 21st century Ireland. It's high time that we take our country back, particularly with the 100th anniversary of Irish Independence approaching.

    I don’t see EU membership as being the real problem at all as the vast majority of our fellow Europeans don’t want open borders to the Middle East or Africa either, for obvious reasons.
    There’s just a very vocal minority of virtue signallers that have an over bearing influence on policy and have been primarily using guilt and shame to force the pro migrant agenda on the rest of us- they’ve been very successful up to now but I think we are seeing a turn away from this now by ordinary people, particularly on the continent where the consequences are most acute.


  • #529
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,560 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You've a problem with the Poles, latvians, lithuanians, romanians?

    I don’t do long as they’re working and not riding the welfare gravy train.


  • #530
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,382 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    road_high wrote: »
    I don’t do long as they’re working and not riding the welfare gravy train.

    What about the lazy Irish?


  • #531
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You've a problem with the Poles, latvians, lithuanians, romanians?

    You would, if you knew what you were talking about.

    Poles as a general rule have NO patience with this kind of virtue-signalling bs.

    Honestly, the mental gymnasics involved in being a one-world drivel merchant. How can you be bothered ?


    .


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  • #532
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    You would, if your right-on hand-wringing wasn't tying you up in knots.

    Poles don't have a lot of patience with virtue-signalling one-world bs .
    I've worked with lots of Polish people over the years. Plenty of them are horrified with the right wing stances of their government and the direction their country is going. I won't really be setting it as an aim when the Polish government have been actively trying to hijack their judiciary.
    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    - James Connolly



    - James Connolly

    This doesn't indicate him being favourable to racism or an anti-immigration stance. He himself was born in Scotland.


  • #533
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,560 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    What about the lazy Irish?

    What can we do? We can’t export them.
    So there’s absolutely no point importing even more...!
    Cut welfare for them all which I’m all in favor of, rewarding workers. Unfortunately Leo and co are not too keen on that


  • #534
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    DS86DS wrote: »
    batgoat wrote: »
    What a rant. We never gave up our sovereignty so buying into pro brexit arguments doesn't really work. We also gained an economy that would not be possible without the EU. Irish nationalism does not equal immigration being bad, even de Valera was an immigrant.

    In fact, the likes of James Connolly was the antithesis of your viewpoint, he was a Marxist. You think there's a big global conspiracy by the communists, don't you? :rolleyes:

    So overall, your idea that Irish nationalism is a justification for racism is rubbish, people who are fine with immigrants or refugees are not 'anti-Irish'. Our country hasn't been taken off of us, we don't need a Donald Trump and the reality is most leaders throughout the ages would have viewed him as a blubbering moron.

    You underestimate the Irish people. There is a large silent majority who are afraid to voice their opinions due to obnoxious leftist thugs who will shout them down the second they dare raise an opinion that leftists disagree with.
    Ah yes, Ireland's mysterious "silent majority" that are so silent they forget to ever vote. Identity Ireland got something like 1% last election, get out of that little fantasy land you've built inside your head. It's leading you to all kinds of stupidity like accidentally calling for ireland to take more migrants from Kazakhstan due to their higher IQs.


  • #535
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,382 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    road_high wrote: »
    What can we do? We can’t export them. Cut welfare for them all which I’m all in favor of, rewarding workers. Unfortunately Leo and co are not too keen on that

    That is a fact


  • #536
    PuppyMcPupFace
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 255 ✭✭PuppyMcPupFace


    end of the road wrote: »
    how is it. as i said above, the person refusing to shake the hand may have met the person who's hand they are expected to shake before, and may just not like them. nothing to do with them being the opposite sex. perhapse they don't like shaking hands with anyone at any time. they may even have a varient of OCD by where they have issues touching strangers. all sorts of possibilities that ultimately make shaking hands as a test for anything unviable and unworkable and unreliable.

    Jesus you're delusional.


  • #537
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    batgoat wrote: »
    I've worked with lots of Polish people over the years. Plenty of them are horrified with the right wing stances of their government and the direction their country is going. I won't really be setting it as an aim when the Polish government have been actively trying to hijack their judiciary.

    Yeah, yeah. Don't change the subject.

    They are horrified by the direction their government is taking because it is oppressive to the Polish people.

    Poland is a tough place in terms of how the state treats it's own citizens. Ordinary life is very much more bureaucratically oppressive that we are accustomed to here.

    But the Poles are not generally offended by the lurch to the right in Polish politics on the grounds of being embarrassed that it might offend the sensibilities of open-doors merchants.
    This doesn't indicate an opposition to racism or an anti-immigration stance. He himself was born in Scotland.

    It does indicate that the needs of the Irish people should have primacy.

    This is just common sense. The Irish state exists to protect the interests of Irish people. If it doesn't do that, it has no reason to exist.


  • #538
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,214 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    DS86DS wrote: »
    No it isn't a poor measure of ability. It is the most scientifically accurate and most tested form of intelligence grading that we have and has stood the test of time. Science and statistics don't lie, it's all there in plain sight.

    https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

    It is widely acknowledged as a poor measure of ability. It only measure one aspect of what makes up intelligence.

    Again. What is your obsession with it? Do you believe IQ is determined by race?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #539
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Seeing people use James Connolly or any other 1916 rising member to somehow justify whatever random horrible ****e they believe is beyond pathetic.


  • #540
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    97 is the number below which things fall apart.
    among others psychologists Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen, who have found staggering correlations between national IQ and things like health, education, income, crime, corruption, democracy.

    https://staffanspersonalityblog.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/the-iq-breaking-point-how-civilized-society-is-maintained-or-lost/


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  • #541
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    97 is the number below which things fall apart.
    among others psychologists Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen, who have found staggering correlations between national IQ and things like health, education, income, crime, corruption, democracy.

    https://staffanspersonalityblog.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/the-iq-breaking-point-how-civilized-society-is-maintained-or-lost/
    Then we've got a problem: Ireland's average IQ is 92.

    https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html


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