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22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

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  • #212
    [Deleted User]
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    2019 wrote: »
    These are people in desperate need of help. I welcome my government for letting them in. Forget about the politics of this situation and think about the human need. Their country has been devastated by war and its these people , the innocent that is suffering. It wasnt that to long ago us Irish needed help from the international community.

    "Us Irish" were never given free housing, food and heating when we migrated abroad. We had to work hard, keep our heads down and adopt the ways of the new countries.


  • #213
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    airy fairy wrote: »
    Kids Xmas concert this year, Little Donkey not allowed, a parent complained about Bethlehem being in it. In fact no religious songs allowed at all, in a Catholic primary school.
    The 3 little pigs are not allowed as a story to junior infants, a Muslim family complained as they consider the pig to be dirty and should not beat the wolf.

    If any of that is true it is absolutely not right. I don't give a rats about religion myself but doing nativity plays etc is just part of growing up. I'd argue it's transcended religion in a sense and is a cultural norm. Shame, if true.


  • #214
    Chinasea
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    A miserly 22. And someone lights a post to incite.

    If in 20 years time, you are a Syrian refugee and have managed to survive and stay in Ireland, despite the rampant racism, I am ashamed of the the hatred that I have read here and elsewhere for that matter.

    For what it's worth they do NOT speak on my behalf.


  • #215
    Try_harder
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    "Us Irish" were never given free housing, food and heating when we migrated abroad. We had to work hard, keep our heads down and adopt the ways of the new countries.

    We were never Refugees from war, only some NI nationalists were in 70's & 80's, and they were given State Aid in the Republic


  • #216
    PuppyMcPupFace
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    "Us Irish" were never given free housing, food and heating when we migrated abroad. We had to work hard, keep our heads down and adopt the ways of the new countries.

    I really wish seances were real - I'd love to make my relatives who emigrated after the Famine piss themselves laughing at how "great" they had it when they arrived elsewhere to be given houses, clothes, money and didn't have to work.


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  • #217
    Try_harder
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    "Us Irish" were never given free housing, food and heating when we migrated abroad. We had to work hard, keep our heads down and adopt the ways of the new countries.

    Plenty of Irish in UK social housing too


  • #218
    Gentleman Off The Pitch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Gentleman Off The Pitch


    jmreire wrote: »
    As I have said earlier, most will return home when the conditions are right. .....
    Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »
    How can you state this with such certainty? Also can I ask about your statements that all the Syrian families come from Lebanese camps and the vetting procedures, is this information in the public domain?

    jmreire wrote: »
    When it was first agreed that Ireland would take their quota of 4'000 Syrian Refugees, there were a lot of questions asked, especially if they would be turning up ad-hoc, like in Germany and other EU Countries, but we were assured that all the refugees Ireland would be getting would be from Refugee camp's only, and thoroughly vetted before hand. This was one of the reasons that we are getting them in batches ( bear in mind that Germany etc, have taken more than a million in this time frame ) You can check this out on Google.
    As for them returning to Syria? Yes I believe that the majority will do so. They had a pretty good life there before the war, and for sure, would like to go back. I have some Syrian friends, and that's what they tell me anyway, but I can well believe it. A lot of them are finding Life very hard in Germany..while they don't have to worry about bombs falling and bullets flying, for them it's an unimaginable life-change, culture + language etc. Syrian Families are very close knit, but the present circumstances mean that they are being split up.

    Ah ok, so your seemingly concrete statements were based on promises/assurances given prior to this relocation program rather than any detailed knowledge of the ongoing vetting procedures. I mistakenly got the impression from your post that you had some insider knowledge or something

    As for the second part of your reply concerning them returning to Syria, it's clear now that this is simply your opinion and not based on some analytical data for example. As those who do not think correctly on here are constantly informed by those who do, personal experiences, anecdotal evidence etc. are not admissible round these parts. I have no reason to doubt what you have stated about your friends etc. but if such an anecdote was relayed by a poster 'on the other side' it would be treated with disdain and dismissed


  • #219
    PuppyMcPupFace
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    Try_harder wrote: »
    We were never Refugees from war, only some NI nationalists were in 70's & 80's, and they were given State Aid in the Republic

    And if you believe every skanger trying to blag a free life from us is "fleeing war" you need a dose of reality.


  • #220
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    Try_harder wrote: »
    We were never Refugees from war, only some NI nationalists were in 70's & 80's, and they were given State Aid in the Republic

    Ok so then you agree the comparison to Irish migration is perhaps a fallacy then and not comparing apples with apples. I look forward to that argument being dropped by the pro open borders crowd.


  • #221
    Try_harder
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    PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »
    And if you believe every skanger trying to blag a free life from us is "fleeing war" you need a dose of reality.

    I am referring to the 22 Syrian Families as per the thread title.


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  • #222
    Try_harder
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ok so then you agree the comparison to Irish migration is perhaps a fallacy then and not comparing apples with apples. I look forward to that argument being dropped by the pro open borders crowd.

    I'm talking about Syrian Refugees here.


  • #223
    PuppyMcPupFace
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 255 ✭✭PuppyMcPupFace


    Try_harder wrote: »
    I am referring to the 22 Syrian Families as per the thread title.

    Yeah sure, they're all legit. My hole.


  • #224
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    Try_harder wrote: »
    Plenty of Irish in UK social housing too

    Legal immigrants. Paid for easily by other legal Irish immigrants working hard in the UK.


  • #225
    Try_harder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ok so then you agree the comparison to Irish migration is perhaps a fallacy then and not comparing apples with apples. I look forward to that argument being dropped by the pro open borders crowd.

    The Irish were by and large economic migrants, the much maligned grouping of this parish...


  • #226
    Try_harder
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Legal immigrants. Paid for easily by other legal Irish immigrants working hard in the UK.

    Why are they legal? The UK does not recognise Ireland as a separate country as per the Ireland act.

    Immigrants in Ireland contribute far more to the economy than they take out, but you already knew that!


  • #227
    BBFAN
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    PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »
    That's all true - the friend's daughter is a social worker dealing with the iffier cases. We should be opening these hotels for the needy of our own country, not strapping lads who blagged their way here

    The needy in our country are already living in hotels though?


  • #228
    Try_harder
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    PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »
    Yeah sure, they're all legit. My hole.

    how many 21, 20, 19...

    where is your evidence they are not? If the state accepts them as refugees, then they are legal, its quite simple


  • #229
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    Try_harder wrote: »
    Why are they legal? The UK does not recognise Ireland as a separate country as per the Ireland act.

    Immigrants in Ireland contribute far more to the economy than they take out, but you already knew that!

    Horse manure. The UK doesn't recognise Ireland as a separate country?

    What are the stats on illegal immigrants net contribution to the economy?


  • #230
    Try_harder
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    The strapping lads can stay with me!


  • #231
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    Try_harder wrote: »
    The UK does not recognise Ireland as a separate country as per the Ireland act.

    Hold up...


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  • #232
    Try_harder
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Horse manure. The UK doesn't recognise Ireland as a separate country?

    What are the stats on illegal immigrants net contribution to the economy?

    See The Ireland Act


  • #233
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    airy fairy wrote: »
    I don't mind the refugees coming to Ireland, but certain criteria should be in place.
    They should have to integrate, this isn't happening, both with refugees, but with other eastern European cultures that arrived during the boom. Only shop in their shops, they go home for dental treatment, scans, and work, yes, work.
    They should not get priority on housing lists, medical lists or otherwise.
    I live near a facility that holds asylum seekers etc. Their
    kids go to school with mine, the majority are Muslim.
    Kids Xmas concert this year, Little Donkey not allowed, a parent complained about Bethlehem being in it. In fact no religious songs allowed at all, in a Catholic primary school.
    The 3 little pigs are not allowed as a story to junior infants, a Muslim family complained as they consider the pig to be dirty and should not beat the wolf.

    We are bending over too much for foreign visitors.
    You live in Rome, you do as the Romans do....
    If I go to a foreign country I have to abide to their beliefs and traditions and culture, same should apply when people visit/live here.
    One of my closest friends is Muslim. I met her last week for lunch and she had to pop into boots. She spoke to the pharmacist and as we were leaving he called out “happy uh holidays” and she turned around and said “happy Christmas!” Back to him. :D

    A lot of immigrants are happy enough to intergrate and I love that. But I agree, our culture shouldn’t be the culture that needs to change to accommodate people coming to this country. If they find Christmas offensive then don’t move to a country who starts preparing for it in September


  • #234
    Try_harder
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Hold up...

    It doesn't.


  • #235
    enricoh
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    Try_harder wrote: »
    Why are they legal? The UK does not recognise Ireland as a separate country as per the Ireland act.

    Immigrants in Ireland contribute far more to the economy than they take out, but you already knew that!

    Any data on that? Immigrants contributing more, in ireland?


  • #236
    Try_harder
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Horse manure. The UK doesn't recognise Ireland as a separate country?

    What are the stats on illegal immigrants net contribution to the economy?

    Republic of Ireland not a foreign country.

    It is hereby declared that, notwithstanding that the Republic of Ireland is not part of His Majesty’s dominions, the Republic of Ireland is not a foreign country for the purposes of any law in force in any part of the United Kingdom or in any colony, protectorate or United Kingdom trust territory, whether by virtue of a rule of law or of an Act of Parliament or any other enactment or instrument whatsoever, whether passed or made before or after the passing of this Act, and references in any Act of Parliament, other enactment or instrument whatsoever, whether passed or made before or after the passing of this Act, to foreigners, aliens, foreign countries, and foreign or foreign-built ships or aircraft shall be construed accordingly.


  • #237
    PuppyMcPupFace
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    Try_harder wrote: »
    how many 21, 20, 19...

    where is your evidence they are not? If the state accepts them as refugees, then they are legal, its quite simple

    You're a naive self hating idiot and I'm over trying to talk to you.


  • #238
    airy fairy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    How about the last lot of young boys or men that were brought here last year, costing a few million every year.
    Some of them didn't have birth certs, and from the look at pictures at the time, they certainly weren't in their teens when they claimed to be.
    Are we still leaving in people with lost birth certs and passports?


  • #239
    Try_harder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    enricoh wrote: »
    Any data on that? Immigrants contributing more, in ireland?

    http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Migrant_Integration_Strategy_English.pdf/Files/Migrant_Integration_Strategy_English.pdf


  • #240
    Try_harder
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    airy fairy wrote: »
    How about the last lot of young boys or men that were brought here last year, costing a few million every year.
    Some of them didn't have birth certs, and from the look at pictures at the time, they certainly weren't in their teens when they claimed to be.
    Are we still leaving in people with lost birth certs and passports?

    and data on that?


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  • #241
    StereoSound
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    Ultimately, as long as they contribute to society by getting jobs and behaving in a decent manner, then I don't mind them coming here and moving in permanently. But the thing is, you don't know what side of their personalities has changed after being in a war torn country, and that negative side may show up here and be introduced to our societies...If I was living in a war torn country with bullets flying past my ass for years I would probably develop a nasty side to. We would translate that here as a bad thing. Maybe I am wrong, I don't know.

    They say these Syrian refugees have been filtered and are genuine but who knows for sure, there is an element of risk taking in these people, look what happened in France... Some of the "genuine" refugees went on a killing spree. Not saying that will happen here but who knows ? Do you know for sure? Of course you don't. You are taking one man away from his home after he was subject to a war zone for years and everything that comes with that, these situations can have great effects on peoples personalities and you don't know their level of intent or what they considered doing before they come here. Did they consider joining one of those head chopping off groups so they could feed their families ? You don't know and they certainly wont admit to that when it comes to an application to come here. Just saying..... It's not all buttercups and smiles when there is RISK in the equation.


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