DoE testing - The Last Word

Donaldo · 19-07-2016 9:29am

crabbypaddy wrote: »

Bummer, its a balls of a job, I left two ducatos behind because of this, screwdriver went straight though everything under the battery. It seems to be a combination of windscreen scuttle / bonnet seals dumping water on the battery, overcharging of the battery releasing acid and the padding on the inner wing holding water and acid like a sponge.

Thanks Paddy, your theory makes sense. Know anybody who has/would successfully tackle this job?

kadman · 29-07-2016 6:16pm

VW T 25 failed 10 days ago on emissions of HC 851 ppm.

Passed yesterday with a reading of HC 21 ppm.

Happy days

zambo · 29-07-2016 8:25pm

What work was done between the two tests.

kadman · 29-07-2016 9:12pm

zambo wrote: »

What work was done between the two tests.

Vw T25 1.9 Petrol Waterboxer engine.

After the initial failure,

I did a compression test and it confirmed uneven readings.

I then did a leak down test to pinpoint, head or cylinder issues , or both.

Test confimed gases escaping from both carb and crankcase. Pointing to
rings and inlet valves.

Removed and stripped engine, and confirmed rings and inlet valves were indeed the culprits.

So, relapped the inlet valves, cross hatch honed the cylinders. Weighed and balanced all the pistons to within 3 grams of each other, and fitted new rings.

New full gasket set, and rebuilt the engine. All this in about ten days, so made the time limit on the retest.

Started the engine, 2000 rpms for 15 minutes. Then drove it hard for 60 miles, and then to the test centre. I was worried that testing so soon before the rings were fully bedded would give me a possible emission issue,,

But HC 21 ppm...........was enough confirmation that my brother and myself hit the mark on this rebuild.

Now i,m driving it like I stole it:p

zambo · 30-07-2016 8:33pm

kadman wrote: »

Vw T25 1.9 Petrol Waterboxer engine.

After the initial failure,

I did a compression test and it confirmed uneven readings.

I then did a leak down test to pinpoint, head or cylinder issues , or both.

Test confimed gases escaping from both carb and crankcase. Pointing to
rings and inlet valves.

Removed and stripped engine, and confirmed rings and inlet valves were indeed the culprits.

So, relapped the inlet valves, cross hatch honed the cylinders. Weighed and balanced all the pistons to within 3 grams of each other, and fitted new rings.

New full gasket set, and rebuilt the engine. All this in about ten days, so made the time limit on the retest.

Started the engine, 2000 rpms for 15 minutes. Then drove it hard for 60 miles, and then to the test centre. I was worried that testing so soon before the rings were fully bedded would give me a possible emission issue,,

But HC 21 ppm...........was enough confirmation that my brother and myself hit the mark on this rebuild.

Now i,m driving it like I stole it:p

Congrats on that job,well done. I did a full rebuild on a t25 aircooled in the early 90s,found broken oil ring so removed all rings and ordered a new set from vw agents( mdl ) luckily they told me the cost before I got them,they were over 25 pounds per ring if I remember correctly.needless to say I bought one ring and refitted the rest.I used that van for a further 15 years.

pmg007 · 05-09-2016 10:44am

I have an 83 T25 thats been untested/unused for the last year. DOE test date is due this month. Does anybody know Will I get a full years test?

Pjwal · 08-09-2016 8:38pm

pmg007 wrote: »

I have an 83 T25 thats been untested/unused for the last year. DOE test date is due this month. Does anybody know Will I get a full years test?

If you wait until a full year has expired since your due date, then you will get a 6 month test, if you do it sooner, you will only get until your due date,

kadman · 02-08-2017 1:40pm

Sailed through the DOE today.

12 months after failing on an emissions reading of 850 HC,

then 2 weeks after a top end rebuild and passing on 22 ppm. thats twenty two.

And passing today after 3k on the engine with a reading of 000 ppm. Thats zero, zero,zero.

I asked the tester did he have the machine plugged in:D:D

He said he has never seen it, definitely not on a 1987 T25 1.9 petrol,,,,

Well now he has:cool:

toitle · 06-09-2017 1:14am

Hey guys,

Recently purchased a 1985 Toyota camper.
I've been looking through this thread and wanted to ask this: are all doe test centres created equal?
That is to say, is there one which specialises or is more accustomed to dealing with campervans?
The last time this was raised seems to be a year ago (screenie attached with thanks to those posters

spaceHopper and Seaswimmer.
Does anyone have anything to add?
Thanks in advance!

Field east · 14-11-2017 8:13pm

Make sure before you book that the centre will test it at Low Idle only. Some centres are testing Motorhome's at low and high idle including vehicles that are 1994 and older and engines that were not designed for the Lambda test at high idle

lastsaturday · 09-05-2018 1:20pm

Donaldo wrote: »

Thanks Paddy, your theory makes sense. Know anybody who has/would successfully tackle this job?

i just spent a lot of money on bodywork getting my citroen relay through DOE.. the area under the battery was pretty ugly as well. didnt need to remove the engine though. there is a lot room to work if you take the front plastic mudguard out from the wheel arch and go at it from underneath. once the metalwork was completed, i put a load of curust and then rustoleum over the entire area, from the bulkhead all the way down to the radiator crossmember to try and protect the chassis. i also spent a bit of time putting u-channel around the rim of the engine bay, and covering the battery to stop any further damage.. find a backyard type panelbeater, if the garages wont go near it. worked for me.

zurbfoundation · 15-05-2018 5:40pm

Had a list of things to do on the Townace after the last DOE, CV boot left to do and Im thinking because of a new track rod end i may need an alignment too.

Anyway after (attempting) to adjust the brake imbalance in the rear - I think I have it even between the two sides, The service brake figures that it failed on, will that improve with adjusting the imbalance at the rear? It was close to passing and to drive, the brakes are not a problem. Is there anything else I can try to improve this performance before the test? Bleeding? Pads and discs at the front are in good shape.

Thanks

autumnalcore · 18-05-2018 10:44pm

If the rear brakes are correctly adjusted weak braking could just be because the van was idle. With drums if its been idle for a while the drums can get surface rust that seems to rub off on the shoe and your brakes are rubbish for a while, when its been idle I'd always pull the handbrake lightly while driving to knock off the rust and scuff up the drum a bit and give the brakes a few jabs.

When theres a high imbalance and both side are correctly adjusted you'll often find that the cylinder on the weak side is weeping slighlty if thats happened the shoes will need a good dousing in brake cleaner.

zurbfoundation · 18-05-2018 11:23pm

autumnalcore wrote: »

If the rear brakes are correctly adjusted weak braking could just be because the van was idle. With drums if its been idle for a while the drums can get surface rust that seems to rub off on the shoe and your brakes are rubbish for a while, when its been idle I'd always pull the handbrake lightly while driving to knock off the rust and scuff up the drum a bit and give the brakes a few jabs.

When theres a high imbalance and both side are correctly adjusted you'll often find that the cylinder on the weak side is weeping slighlty if thats happened the shoes will need a good dousing in brake cleaner.

Thanks. Didnt see any leaking when i cleaned them up. Hopefully the adjustment did it

19-05-2018 12:29am

I flappy wheel mine with a drill every year (shoe pad material & mating surface) after I had the bright idea to copper anti-seize my wheel bolts on a German build what spins thread lubricant into my drums.

Then I balance by having the rear axle in the air & spinning the prop shaft with the handbrake three teeth in because one automatic adjuster is junk too, but I can pass a test if I don't reverse too much on the way to the centre.

zurbfoundation · 19-05-2018 7:41am

Ok thanks. Finished the last task on her last night, torn CV boot. So will be back for a test hopefully sol. Maybe next week

autumnalcore · 19-05-2018 3:29pm

I'm halfway through drilling out about 60 spot welds to get mine ready for welding, major disadvantage of living in the city now is I can't break out the air chisel any more

19-05-2018 4:09pm

Cities are over-rated. I run 8inch grinders after midnight at my dry-dock. :P

I'm into my 3rd 8'x4' of aluminium chequer plate. Next mission is plate the dissolving skirts. Right after I beat a certain tyre fitters with a torque wrench and make them buy me 10 new wheel studs after having over torqued my wheels so much I broke a wheel brace trying to remove them.
Probably need to replace a wheel hub and bearing too, sigh...

autumnalcore · 24-05-2018 11:31pm

autumnalcore wrote: »

I'm halfway through drilling out about 60 spot welds to get mine ready for welding, major disadvantage of living in the city now is I can't break out the air chisel any more

Like most rust jobs this got bigger by the minute though it was confined to a small area (two mouse nests) it involved 5 bodywork / chassis components each side so I passed it off to a professional, now €400 lighter after all my work but its all welded up primed and schutzed

zurbfoundation · 25-05-2018 10:14am

mine is below at the test center - fingers and toes crossed.

zurbfoundation · 25-05-2018 5:39pm

zurbfoundation wrote: »

mine is below at the test center - fingers and toes crossed.

Failed again. Track rod end i changed had the alignment out. Need to re allign and retest.

autumnalcore · 03-06-2018 7:46pm

zurbfoundation wrote: »

zurbfoundation wrote: »

mine is below at the test center - fingers and toes crossed.

Failed again. Track rod end i changed had the alignment out. Need to re allign and retest.

Hope it went through ours is done for another year. When changing the track rod end its safer to measure from the inner track rod end to the center of the ball cup because the trackrod end casting can vary. You can also double check the toe before and afterwards with a measuring tape between the front tyres its easier if there are central lines in the tyre tread you measure from one to the other and make sure its the same afterwards.

zurbfoundation · 14-06-2018 12:25pm

autumnalcore wrote: »

Hope it went through ours is done for another year. When changing the track rod end its safer to measure from the inner track rod end to the center of the ball cup because the trackrod end casting can vary. You can also double check the toe before and afterwards with a measuring tape between the front tyres its easier if there are central lines in the tyre tread you measure from one to the other and make sure its the same afterwards.

Got it thru on retest today! Happy days!

Field east · 29-08-2018 7:52pm

Field east wrote: »

Make sure before you book that the centre will test it at Low Idle only. Some centres are testing Motorhome's at low and high idle including vehicles that are 1994 and older and engines that were not designed for the Lambda test at high idle

My Peugeot J5 Talbot Motorhome has passed the CRW test up to last year. The smoke test was done at the low idle only. But this year the way the RSA programme is set up for vehicle testing apparently is insisting that my May 1994 Talbot be also tested at high idle. I have a letter from a Peugeot main dealer which states that the ‘vehicle was fitted with a 1971cc petrol engine in 1993 at manufacture and therefor should be treated for exhaust emissions at low idle only - because of its design’.
Has any boardie out there have a the same problem and how did you resolve it. Any guidance would be very much appreciated

bugsntinas · 24-12-2018 5:58pm

i've just bought myself a campervan which is in fairly good condition for a 1999 van.the engine is good but i've just checked the crw/doe and it was due in 2004!now there's no way the van has stood for that amount of time so was wondering if it's likely to cause me any trouble when i test it

24-12-2018 11:27pm

Previous owner's liability not yours.

bugsntinas · 25-12-2018 12:31am

Sir Liamalot wrote: »

Previous owner's liability not yours.

cheers for that.

bugsntinas · 25-12-2018 4:47pm

could someone confirm the following for me.according to the cvrt the last test was due in june 2004 now when my son checked how much test i'd get he read the following:if i test it next week i'd get approx 5 months test but if i do it in june the test will only be valid for the day and then i would need to get it tested again.i know this country is stupidly run but that sounds idiotic

autumnalcore · 25-12-2018 8:40pm

bugsntinas wrote: »

could someone confirm the following for me.according to the cvrt the last test was due in june 2004 now when my son checked how much test i'd get he read the following:if i test it next week i'd get approx 5 months test but if i do it in june the test will only be valid for the day and then i would need to get it tested again.i know this country is stupidly run but that sounds idiotic

The system is like that to remove any incentive to chance your arm and rely of the leniency of the Gardaí. When I lived in the midlands people would permanently drive around with a print out of an appointment 3 months in the future -'Ah sure Guard tis booked in, I tried me best, I couldn't get an earlier appointment'
https://www.cvrt.ie/en/Certificate-of-Roadworthiness/Pages/CRW-Expiry-Dates.aspx

zambo · 26-12-2018 9:54am

No, it is arranged that way to make more money for the RSA, an organisation which according to the Irish Times is being fattened up prior to being privatized ,
When it was first announced the RSA promised the test would run from first test or from date of first reg ,I had my camper declared off the road and when I eventually brought it for its first test they only gave me a cert for six months even though it was off the road as accepted by the tax office. So although I brought it for test in the spring so the test would be at the start of the year they want me to take it out of winter storage in November to get it tested . If I pay the full cost for the test I should get a full cert .

niloc1951 · 28-12-2018 8:38pm

The six-month test is just another money taker invented by the RSA.

In the case of vehicles tested more than 1 year late, the next expiry date for the certificate of roadworthiness will be six months from the date of the pass statement. but it doesn't apply to the NCT.

Now, this particular racket is there to penalise people who fail to keep their CVRT up to date, it has no safety function unless that is the test on such a 'laid-up' vehicle is 'half-baked' compared to a normal test and a re-test is necessary after only six months.
The rule is particularly unjust for people who buy a vehicle which has an extended period of lay-up before being put back on the road and for people who for one reason or another lay-up their vehicle for an extended period.

Turbohymac · 28-12-2018 8:49pm

Sorry but without the nct for cars and cvrt for goods..then there would be an awful amount of deathtraps traveling around our public roads.. many people don't even bother to do basic services to their vehicles but make the loudest noise when they are failed at the test centre.. I go to the local cvrt weekly with rigid and artic trucks for my employer and I see lots more than people that are simply disgruntled because their unroadworthy vehicle is not passed and instead they have to go and carry out repairs...these repairs should have been done months earlier if the owner looked after the vehicle properly...as for vehicles laid up..or other. This is even more the responsibility of whoever is putting in back onto a public road to ensure that it's safe and in a roadworthy state..

zambo · 28-12-2018 9:09pm

Turbohymac wrote: »

Sorry but without the nct for cars and cvrt for goods..then there would be an awful amount of deathtraps traveling around our public roads.. many people don't even bother to do basic services to their vehicles but make the loudest noise when they are failed at the test centre.. I go to the local cvrt weekly with rigid and artic trucks for my employer and I see lots more than people that are simply disgruntled because their unroadworthy vehicle is not passed and instead they have to go and carry out repairs...these repairs should have been done months earlier if the owner looked after the vehicle properly...as for vehicles laid up..or other. This is even more the responsibility of whoever is putting in back onto a public road to ensure that it's safe and in a roadworthy state..

I dont see what your point has to do with the thread , if a van which has been stored in an insulated shed while off the road , is properly maintained and passes the cvrt at the first attempt why should it get only half a cert for the full price . My van has never failed a test and is serviced regularly .

bugsntinas · 28-12-2018 9:32pm

zambo wrote: »

I dont see what your point has to do with the thread , if a van which has been stored in an insulated shed while off the road , is properly maintained and passes the cvrt at the first attempt why should it get only half a cert for the full price . My van has never failed a test and is serviced regularly .

exactly.surely if it is roadworthy and passes it should have a years ticket.
mine is going to fail i know that but as i have no one to check it over i'll see what it fails on and do the work but still don't understand why i shouldn't get a years ticket when it passes

niloc1951 · 28-12-2018 10:42pm

Turbohymac wrote: »

Sorry but without the nct for cars and cvrt for goods..then there would be an awful amount of deathtraps traveling around our public roads.. many people don't even bother to do basic services to their vehicles but make the loudest noise when they are failed at the test centre.. I go to the local cvrt weekly with rigid and artic trucks for my employer and I see lots more than people that are simply disgruntled because their unroadworthy vehicle is not passed and instead they have to go and carry out repairs...these repairs should have been done months earlier if the owner looked after the vehicle properly...as for vehicles laid up..or other. This is even more the responsibility of whoever is putting in back onto a public road to ensure that it's safe and in a roadworthy state..

There's no one on here suggesting that roadworthiness testing isn't a necessary exercise nor is anyone suggesting using an unroadworthy vehicle is acceptable.

Comment on the actual issues being discussed would be welcome.

Turbohymac · 28-12-2018 11:08pm

It's only going to get a full 12 months test if tested max 30 days before its actual date of first registration here in Ireland...not being smart but why didn't you present it for its annual test within the 30 days before its first reg date and then you'd get the full 12 months...
It's no different for you as any of us owning a hgv.. if my van was due its cvrt the first day of next February and i now decided to sell it .and was hoping to sell with a new 12 month test . I'd have to wait till after the first of January or else I'd also get only a new cert valid for 5 weeks.. yes pointless but even with an nct yes it's better you can actually test 90 days earlier than test date but same applies if you're mid year.. if you want your van on the road legally before its next registration anniversary then just be happy it passed.. and simply test again within 30 days of registration in about 5 months time and you're good from there... its actually not the rsa,s fault that the vehicle was taken off the road and dry stored.. but there not going to play games either..
Relax everyone..

bugsntinas · 28-12-2018 11:19pm

i only bought the van a couple of weeks ago and knew nothing of how stupid the rules are governing the test.why can't it be simple like the uk and when ya test a vehicle ya get 12 months test.
why would i be pleased that it passed a test knowing i'd have to do it agian in 5 or 6 months and paying full wack again when it should have been entitled to 12 months.typical irish government logic or lack of

Turbohymac · 28-12-2018 11:52pm

Talking on the subject of stupid rules it even worse in uk ..if you purchase a vehicle from a dealer you must tax it just to drive to the ferry ..totally mad..
But with cvrt ..the rsa are probably not going to dick around with people that might hope to get by for 3 years but only test twice within that time..
You're definitely not alone ..have a look on done deal. Loads of vehicles for sale with a brand new cvrt ..but short test ..
So like you the vehicle needs test again in a few months....
If you were going to sell your van even though you only have a half year test it would still stand that your vehicle is actually roadworthy and has been very recently tested..
But unfortunately for you its pay up again in 6 months.. could be lot worse if you failed and had to spend triple the test cost in repairs.
Happy motoring nothings free even here in Ireland..and yes theres definitely logic otherwise chancers would constantly be parking up to avoid test and dodging annual fees...

niloc1951 · 29-12-2018 1:27pm

Turbohymac wrote: »

......and yes theres definitely logic otherwise chancers would constantly be parking up to avoid test and dodging annual fees...

So there we have it, the six-month Certificate of Vehicle Roadworthiness Test has nothing to do with Roadworthiness, its a penalty test to discourage chancers from playing with the system.
It's just tough luck that innocents are scooped up too.

Now explain why an import or a vehicle bought out of storage only gets a six-month certificate.

Regarding if you purchase a vehicle from a dealer you must tax it just to drive to the ferry the same applies here, but you can get one month tax in the UK and if it's a new vehicle for export you can get a FREE tax for three months.

zambo · 29-12-2018 2:29pm

Turbohymac wrote: »

It's only going to get a full 12 months test if tested max 30 days before its actual date of first registration here in Ireland...not being smart but why didn't you present it for its annual test within the 30 days before its first reg date and then you'd get the full 12 months...
It's no different for you as any of us owning a hgv.. if my van was due its cvrt the first day of next February and i now decided to sell it .and was hoping to sell with a new 12 month test . I'd have to wait till after the first of January or else I'd also get only a new cert valid for 5 weeks.. yes pointless but even with an nct yes it's better you can actually test 90 days earlier than test date but same applies if you're mid year.. if you want your van on the road legally before its next registration anniversary then just be happy it passed.. and simply test again within 30 days of registration in about 5 months time and you're good from there... its actually not the rsa,s fault that the vehicle was taken off the road and dry stored.. but there not going to play games either..
Relax everyone..

I dont know if you have any interest in camper vans as all your replies refer to commercial vans and trailers . What we are discussing is a vehicle of type M1 ie cars campervans etc . Not a commercial vehicle .If you have a problem with how testing is applied to commercials I would suggest you look for a more appropriate place to vent your concerns. Campervans are only tested in cvrt centers because some of them dont fit in nct centres . CVRT rules should not apply . I accept what you say when you state you are not being smart and that there are many chancers involved in the haulage industry but the private user of a private campervan should not be held hostage by the efforts of the cvrt to wring more money from the haulage industry .
While you are at it you might like to explain why I am charged a road safety levy on the test which the RSA explain is used to finance the commercial vehicle roadworthiness reform program which they say includes new benefits for road transport operators .

Turbohymac · 30-12-2018 4:39pm

Hi Zambo.. not sure what you're trying to imply.. are you seriously trying to separate your campervan from other commercial vehicles.. even a vw golf van needs an annual cvrt..only difference is the camper Van's are much cheaper as it is.. unless huge 3 axle camper most standard campers 2 axle are only approx 88 euros for test. Whereas the smallest commercial van like a vw golf costs 111. And the campervan easily weighs twice as much as the golf van..
Just to educate a little ..I'm well familiar with all sizes of commercial vehicles and no matter how anyone wishes to argue ..most camper Van's fall under a light commercial vehicle although at the very top end of this section as most fall just under 3500 kgs. Also some like vwlt46 etc are in the heavy van category..well over 3500..
Yet get by for the same 88 euro test..
Maybe he can actually reply positively for once and realise that by the ops original post. He had the vehicle parked up for some time..this wasn't the rsa,s fault and if he wanted to ensure he got the full 12 months he should have simply kept it off the road for another 5 or 6 months and then hed have got the full test.. next he will be looking for a refund for the 6 months hes arguing about..44 euros.. it's time to move on I don't think anyone here will dispute that owners of campervans are getting a very good deal compared to all other commercial vehicle operators..
Any comment on the stupid tax system for buying any vehicle in the uk..
Yes we can all moan ..but rhd of the day
Road tax ..testing..insurance etc are all cheaper for campervan owners.. if I could get half those discounts for running my small van I'd be fair happy..
Happy new year to all.. even drivers of discounted cvrt,s

bugsntinas · 30-12-2018 4:50pm

Maybe he can actually reply positively for once and realise that by the ops original post. He had the vehicle parked up for some time..this wasn't the rsa,s fault and if he wanted to ensure he got the full 12 months he should have simply kept it off the road for another 5 or 6 months and then hed have got the full test.. next he will be looking for a refund for the 6 months hes arguing about..44 euros..

sorry to correct you but i said i bought the van that had a lapsed test and also said i knew nothing about how the test worked over here.why would i be looking for a refund that don't make sense at all.by the way the test is 93 euro and i think most owners arguement is that these vehicles are tested every year when a lot of them are only used in the summer where as a commercial runs up many tens of thousands of miles every year so obviously neeb testing every year.and as zambo said why should we pay a commercial vehicle charge when officially they are campers or motorhomes

niloc1951 · 30-12-2018 5:11pm

Turbohymac wrote: »

Hi Zambo.. not sure what you're trying to imply.. are you seriously trying to separate your campervan from other commercial vehicles.. .......I don't think anyone here will dispute that owners of campervans are getting a very good deal compared to all other commercial vehicle operators....................

Therein lies the issue, campervans ARE NOT commercial vehicles, campervans or to give then their correct description 'motor caravans' are private passenger vehicles which fall within the same EU Vehicle Category as private cars.
Also, owners of campervans private individuals who have to pay out of their own after-tax personal income and ARE NOT commercial vehicle operators who can claim the VAT back and charge the whole cost to company accounts.
And, according to the relevant EU Directive on the testing of motor vehicles are not listed to be tested as commercial vehicles.
Unfortunately, The RSA have, for their own convenience, decided to test motor caravans under LGV or HGV test manuals and not the NCT manual.

zambo · 30-12-2018 8:05pm

Turbohymac wrote: »

Hi Zambo.. not sure what you're trying to imply.. are you seriously trying to separate your campervan from other commercial vehicles.. even a vw golf van needs an annual cvrt..only difference is the camper Van's are much cheaper as it is.. unless huge 3 axle camper most standard campers 2 axle are only approx 88 euros for test. Whereas the smallest commercial van like a vw golf costs 111. And the campervan easily weighs twice as much as the golf van..
Just to educate a little ..I'm well familiar with all sizes of commercial vehicles and no matter how anyone wishes to argue ..most camper Van's fall under a light commercial vehicle although at the very top end of this section as most fall just under 3500 kgs. Also some like vwlt46 etc are in the heavy van category..well over 3500..
Yet get by for the same 88 euro test..
Maybe he can actually reply positively for once and realise that by the ops original post. He had the vehicle parked up for some time..this wasn't the rsa,s fault and if he wanted to ensure he got the full 12 months he should have simply kept it off the road for another 5 or 6 months and then hed have got the full test.. next he will be looking for a refund for the 6 months hes arguing about..44 euros.. it's time to move on I don't think anyone here will dispute that owners of campervans are getting a very good deal compared to all other commercial vehicle operators..
Any comment on the stupid tax system for buying any vehicle in the uk..
Yes we can all moan ..but rhd of the day
Road tax ..testing..insurance etc are all cheaper for campervan owners.. if I could get half those discounts for running my small van I'd be fair happy..
Happy new year to all.. even drivers of discounted cvrt,s

Hi
No im not trying to separate my van from goods vans , the EU have already done that for me when they declared that all campervans are type M1 (private vehicles,same as passenger cars). My van is over3500kg and goes through the hgv line at the test but its still not a commercial .I repeated that because I told you in a previous posting that it is a private vehicle but you chose to ignore it. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about campers paying less than you do for your work related van ,thats just misguided jealousy. Wait til you find out that bicycles dont pay anything for either test or tax , that may really annoy you BTW the tax or test hasnt cost 88 euro for some years and now we are also stuck for a levy to help road transport operators.
I am always happy to reply positively and can say positively it would have been nice if you had read the thread properly .It was I that had my van off the road not the op .Are you saying I need a test cert to store my van in a shed .The test when I put it back on the road was its first test under the new system.
I use my van for about a month each year and do less than 5000 km however I cannot tax it for less than 1 year . The cost of the test is about the same as the tax.
This forum is not the place to discuss tax law in the UK .
Talking of discounts how about the fact that you can reclaim vat on fuel and maintenance costs if you are legitimately using it as a goods vehicle ,not that im jealous !!! and once again campers are neither LGV's or HGV's.
If you think me argumentative you might like to avoid topics you know nothing about.

Turbohymac · 30-12-2018 9:41pm

Ah well ..that's hilarious.. some of ye even agree that her camper Van's are well over 3500kgs.. I have no issues with this but are ye really looking to be absolutely exempted from any type of roadworthy test or checks.. mileage varies in every type of vehicle..car..van .trucks..campers.. and so on.. irrelevant of high or very low mileage in many instances due to their age.. and being parked up for months on end ..and many are not dry stored.. there's quite a much higher risk of brakes being seized..load sensing valves not operating etc.
I honestly think that from all classes of vehicles being tested by the rsa.. camper Van's certainly fare out the best..lowest annual test fee..no tachograph or speedlimiter calibration charges no 13 week inspections..as for mileage most people I know with campers. Go on the continent and it's very easy to rack up kms there.. my own work can is 2007 and only has 130km on it..yet a few years ago we travelling across France in it and during 2 weeks we racked up 4k kms..id be flat out to put up more than 300km per week at home..
When I bought my current van here in Ireland the owner was quite I'll and had left the tax lapse by 2 months..yet when I went to tax it as the new owner I had to pay the back tax.. I wasn't happy but do that give me rights to look for sympathy from people on boards..
Bottom line the cvrt testing and annual taxing are now clearly linked.. ie you cannot renew tax unless vehicle still has
3 months cvrt remaining.. and as per my earlier post the rsa expects all categories that come under its testing regime to adhere to basic rules..many loopholes that were clearly available a few years back ..no longer exist. And the test in general has got much tougher.. the op should have checked before buying.. but whether it was previous owner had it parked up..as the op has stated.. or even if it was the op himself.. well he had only 2 choices..
1...wait until vehicle is within 30 days of annual test.
2.... simply go the route he went and re test again when annual test is due ..
Hes clearly arguing over the cost of 6 months test.. 50 euros max.. that for the very last time was his own making..
Jesus I wonder just how ye campervan owners even manage to fill up yer diesel tanks..let alone the cost of annual maintenance.. oh by the way as I've already clarified campers are either higher end light commercial vehicles..or if over 3500kgs there recognized in the test centre as hgv.. same engine.. driveline. Ie for safety needs same test as a lcv van or hgv van. Not every company can spends all its life loaded to maximum weight..
People are clearly straying well wide of the original ops post..
And yes I'm well knowledgeable about all the above vehicle classes.. as I'm a qualified hgv mechanic.. only with 30 years experience..
Happy motoring all

bugsntinas · 30-12-2018 10:37pm

i'm not arguing over the cost of 6 months test if ya read mine and others replies we are moaning that if the "van" is tested at whatever date it should have 12 months test is that so unreasonable???
see that's ya trouble your looking at it from a mechanics point of view about the vehicles and testing so deviating from what i originally said about why should it only have 6 months when it passed a test????
ps.how could i check up on the test etc when i am new to it?i was told about the tax and insurance by the way but not the test.

niloc1951 · 31-12-2018 12:06am

Turbohymac wrote: »

Ah well ..that's hilarious.. some of ye even agree that her camper Van's are well over 3500kgs.. I have no issues with this but are ye really looking to be absolutely exempted from any type of roadworthy test or checks.. mileage varies in every type of vehicle..car..van .trucks..campers.. and so on.. irrelevant of high or very low mileage in many instances due to their age.. and being parked up for months on end ..and many are not dry stored.. there's quite a much higher risk of brakes being seized..load sensing valves not operating etc.
I honestly think that from all classes of vehicles being tested by the rsa.. camper Van's certainly fare out the best..lowest annual test fee..no tachograph or speedlimiter calibration charges no 13 week inspections..as for mileage most people I know with campers. Go on the continent and it's very easy to rack up kms there.. my own work can is 2007 and only has 130km on it..yet a few years ago we travelling across France in it and during 2 weeks we racked up 4k kms..id be flat out to put up more than 300km per week at home..
When I bought my current van here in Ireland the owner was quite I'll and had left the tax lapse by 2 months..yet when I went to tax it as the new owner I had to pay the back tax.. I wasn't happy but do that give me rights to look for sympathy from people on boards..
Bottom line the cvrt testing and annual taxing are now clearly linked.. ie you cannot renew tax unless vehicle still has
3 months cvrt remaining.. and as per my earlier post the rsa expects all categories that come under its testing regime to adhere to basic rules..many loopholes that were clearly available a few years back ..no longer exist. And the test in general has got much tougher.. the op should have checked before buying.. but whether it was previous owner had it parked up..as the op has stated.. or even if it was the op himself.. well he had only 2 choices..
1...wait until vehicle is within 30 days of annual test.
2.... simply go the route he went and re test again when annual test is due ..
Hes clearly arguing over the cost of 6 months test.. 50 euros max.. that for the very last time was his own making..
Jesus I wonder just how ye campervan owners even manage to fill up yer diesel tanks..let alone the cost of annual maintenance.. oh by the way as I've already clarified campers are either higher end light commercial vehicles..or if over 3500kgs there recognized in the test centre as hgv.. same engine.. driveline. Ie for safety needs same test as a lcv van or hgv van. Not every company can spends all its life loaded to maximum weight..
People are clearly straying well wide of the original ops post..
And yes I'm well knowledgeable about all the above vehicle classes.. as I'm a qualified hgv mechanic.. only with 30 years experience..
Happy motoring all

Let's put a few FACTS on the table here.

The vast majority of motor caravans are based on the FIAT Ducato. Upper-end models usually have the rear FIAT chassis replaced with an Alko AMC chassis which can facilitate a GVW of up to 4.5t or even 5.0t, but the front end is still bog standard Ducato.

The average annual distance covered for a motor caravan is between four and five thousand kilometres, commercially operated vehicles can cover that distance in a week.

The new owner of an untaxed vehicle is not liable to pay for untaxed period prior to purchase.

Owners of motor caravans have no issue with complying with EU Regulations on the Roadworthiness Testing of Motor Vehicles

As regards the three months CVRT remaining to get tax, I think you're mixing that up with needing 3 months remaining on your passport if your'e going to The U.S.

Finally, no one has explained the road safety logic or rationale behind the issuing of a six-month certificate following a test in which safety checks under all 48 (LGV) or 55 (HGV) headings in the relevant testers manual are carried out, a rule which does not apply to the NCT

zambo · 31-12-2018 6:33pm

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Jesus I wonder just how ye campervan owners even manage to fill up yer diesel tanks..
And yes I'm well knowledgeable about all the above vehicle classes.. as I'm a qualified hgv mechanic.. only with 30 years experience..
Happy motoring all[/QUOTE]

So you have no interest whatsoever in campervans except to gripe that we are getting a better deal than you as you say suck it up.
You have shown that you know shag all about vehicle classes , They have been explained to you several times and still you persist in saying my camper is a hgv.
You claim 30 years in the hgv industry but your level of trolling is more in line with a thirteen year old. Please up your game or stay away from forums that have nothing to do with your interests. thats my final word to you.

bugsntinas · 31-12-2018 6:40pm

good job i never mentioned my nct exempt '79 car oops! he'd have a fit lol

Turbohymac · 31-12-2018 11:02pm

No issue whatsoever with owners of vintage vehicles or camper Van's..
But everyone on here posting seems to fully support the ops ORIGINAL issue with only getting 6 months test..(short test) and certain posters that are looking from a safe distance which don't cloud our judgment can clearly see that unfortunately the op caused his own problem by presenting his camper for test midyear. .. if both the op and all his loyal supporters feel hard done by.. why don't he appeal his grievance to the rsa..they will swiftly point out his self made error..in which they were quite correct to only give him a short test.. come the summer when he heads back for test given that his van passes again he will then get full 12 months..
Also yes tax renewal is now linked with the cvrt test.. and if we at work try to renew a commercial vehicles road tax a month prior to cvrt the online system will not allow... just saying I don't make the rules.. and no its nothing to do with a passport.. any other issues please feel free to PM me..
Sorry to all the canvassers but in this instance the rsa were correct to issue short test.. they have lots of literature at the cvrt centers its quite clear some customers need to read more and complain less.
Safe motoring

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