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From today (22 Dec), unaccompanied learner drivers can have their cars taken off them

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    #152
    Henry Ford III
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    A tractor in general goes a lot slower


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    #153
    [Deleted User]
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    Baron Kurtz wrote: »
    Yep. It's also mad that a 16-year-old can get a licence for a tractor before a car.

    Why? Anyone getting a tractor licence at 16 is well able to drive most since they were single digit ages. Also the bit of driving the tractor on the road is normally the easiest part of what ever job you are doing the real challenges are using implements, loaders, working in tight spaces etc all of which many are doing long before reaching 16.


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    #154
    salmocab
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    Jackson Young Sandpaper wrote: »
    Why? Anyone getting a tractor licence at 16 is well able to drive most since they were single digit ages. Also the bit of driving the tractor on the road is normally the easiest part of what ever job you are doing the real challenges are using implements, loaders, working in tight spaces etc all of which many are doing long before reaching 16.

    Not anyone just some.


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    #155
    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,039 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Can you still drive a Land Rover on a 'tractor' licence if it has a PTO?

    Not your ornery onager



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    #156
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Esel wrote: »
    Can you still drive a Land Rover on a 'tractor' licence if it has a PTO?

    I believe that still works, however the cost of a defender and a PTO kit would stop the majority of them id imagine.

    Also its been purely a rural phenomenon which is fine, one lad in dublin does it and that would be closed so quickly.


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    #157
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    To all the people saying 'well others did it back in the day' , yeah, people drove round with 5 pints in them too, it was ok then but we realise its causing problems and its not ok now.

    I have no sympathy for these 'but how can I get the kids to school' or 'little billy just got a job, how is he to get to work' You either go through the test and get it or you find another way to travel your necessary routes. If you havent nailed it by your 3rd provisional id suggest just moving closer to the thing.


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    #158
    corks finest
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    To all the people saying 'well others did it back in the day' , yeah, people drove round with 5 pints in them too, it was ok then but we realise its causing problems and its not ok now.

    I have no sympathy for these 'but how can I get the kids to school' or 'little billy just got a job, how is he to get to work' You either go through the test and get it or you find another way to travel your necessary routes. If you havent nailed it by your 3rd provisional id suggest just moving closer to the thing.
    Correct


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    #159
    Esel
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    I believe that still works, however the cost of a defender and a PTO kit would stop the majority of them id imagine.

    Also its been purely a rural phenomenon which is fine, one lad in dublin does it and that would be closed so quickly.
    The one I knew of was rural and a 1970s model. I was told the PTO-equipped ones were rare.

    Not your ornery onager



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    #160
    Wishbone Ash
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    mikeecho wrote: »
    ... and only applied to those already on the waiting list who were on a second or subsequent provisional licence, not anyone on a first provisional..
    I open to correction mikeecho but I'm pretty sure when Sylvie Barrett introduced that scheme it was only available to those on a second provisional licence in category C (now category B) but not for third and subsequent provisional licence as it was only legal to drive unaccompanied on a second provisional. It didn't apply to any other categories either.

    It was also introduced retrospectively i.e. he made the announcement in October relating to application in on the previous March.

    (The 3 year waiting list and the 8 month postal strike was one of the reasons it was introduced as it caused havoc with tests when few had telephones)


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    #161
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    mikeecho wrote: »
    Correct, it was an amnesty in 1979.

    Only those that had applied for a driving test, were automatically given a full licence. , due to the insane waiting times.

    Anyone who hadn't applied.. it was tough luck.

    It was announced overnight, and only applied to those already on the waiting list who were on a second or subsequent provisional licence, not anyone on a first provisional.

    So not everyone got a free licence.
    It's time to move on.

    That and the vast majority of people who would have gotten a licence on that scheme are now almost retired or retired , so not usually a threat to the roads in a continuing daily / nightly basis. Pretty much all of them will have their licences taken off them in less than 20 years, This is realistically a tiny issue in irish motoring safety


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    #162
    dudara
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    To all the people saying 'well others did it back in the day' , yeah, people drove round with 5 pints in them too, it was ok then but we realise its causing problems and its not ok now.

    I have no sympathy for these 'but how can I get the kids to school' or 'little billy just got a job, how is he to get to work' You either go through the test and get it or you find another way to travel your necessary routes. If you havent nailed it by your 3rd provisional id suggest just moving closer to the thing.

    Agreed. Like nox, I learned to drive very young. As I a result I was a very mechanically competent driver, but because I learned to drive on the fields, I wasn’t road aware. I was out unaccompanied as soon as I was 17. I was an eejit and made some stupid mistakes. The flush of youth, your first car, driving fast on country roads and all that. And I’m able to hold my hands up and admit it.

    We need to stop thinking of individual cases, and think of the best way overall. We also need to stop living in the glory days of the past. Learner drivers need to be restricted until they prove their competency,


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    #163
    StereoSound
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    I have seen many L platers today on their own wobbling about, even on the M50. They have no fear! I have a Dash Cam with a few really wobbly ones, would these qualify for the dash cam thread or would I be a smart arse publishing them ?


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    #164
    Cash_Q
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    StereoSound wrote:
    I have seen many L platers today on their own wobbling about, even on the M50. They have no fear! I have a Dash Cam with a few really wobbly ones, would these qualify for the dash cam thread or would I be a smart arse publishing them ?


    A car with an L plate might not necessarily be driven by a learner, e.g. my dad has L plates for when my sisters practice in his car, but he's been driving 50 odd years. And he could easily be seen wobbling all over the M50 himself :P


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    #165
    Henry Ford III
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    Cash_Q wrote:
    A car with an L plate might not necessarily be driven by a learner, e.g. my dad has L plates for when my sisters practice in his car, but he's been driving 50 odd years. And he could easily be seen wobbling all over the M50 himself


    No excuse. My belief is anyone on a motorway displaying L plates should be flogged and have their tyres shredded.


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    #166
    corks finest
    Registered Users Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    Cash_Q wrote:
    A car with an L plate might not necessarily be driven by a learner, e.g. my dad has L plates for when my sisters practice in his car, but he's been driving 50 odd years. And he could easily be seen wobbling all over the M50 himself


    No excuse. My belief is anyone on a motorway displaying L plates should be flogged and have their tyres shredded.
    By law you have to take them down if not in use by a learner? Open to correction


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    #167
    Esel
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    corks finest wrote: »
    By law you have to take them down if not in use by a learner? Open to correction
    I heard that too. I'd say getting in trouble for it would be rare though. The plates are easily attachable and detachable for a reason.

    Not your ornery onager



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    #168
    Cash_Q
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    corks finest wrote:
    By law you have to take them down if not in use by a learner? Open to correction


    Never heard of that!


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    #169
    StereoSound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭StereoSound


    Well is it illegal for a qualified driver to fit L plates? If there is nothing in the law that states fully licensed drivers cannot use L plates then nothing can be enforced, I guess.

    There is no law against me walking around with crutches even though I don't have a broken leg.


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    #170
    Dravokivich
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    StereoSound wrote: »
    Well is it illegal for a qualified driver to fit L plates? If there is nothing in the law that states fully licensed drivers cannot use L plates then nothing can be enforced, I guess.

    There is no law against me walking around with crutches even though I don't have a broken leg.

    What are you on about? I dont see how that'll be problematic.


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    #171
    Dravokivich
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    corks finest wrote: »
    By law you have to take them down if not in use by a learner? Open to correction

    Its only a requirment for someone with a learners permit. Doesn't mean that it must be taken off when driven by someone who isn't on a learners permit.


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    #172
    Dravokivich
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    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    No excuse. My belief is anyone on a motorway displaying L plates should be flogged and have their tyres shredded.

    Just focus on your driving.


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    #173
    swarlb
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    StereoSound wrote: »
    Well is it illegal for a qualified driver to fit L plates? If there is nothing in the law that states fully licensed drivers cannot use L plates then nothing can be enforced, I guess.

    There is no law against me walking around with crutches even though I don't have a broken leg.

    Obviously the reason is to show other drivers the level of competence of the person driving. Would you get on a bus that had a 'L' plate displayed, or would you assume the driver was qualified and just put the plate up for the hell of it !


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    #174
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 691 ✭✭✭atticu


    P_1 wrote: »
    Enforcing this law while theres still a massive waiting list for tests is idiotic.

    Where are the resources for bringing in more testing centers and more testers?

    There might be a massive waiting list, but the average waiting time is ten weeks.

    So, you book your test eight weeks before your eighteenth birthday, and you should get a date in the first few weeks after turning eighteen.

    Where is the problem?


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    #175
    corks finest
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    swarlb wrote: »
    StereoSound wrote: »
    Well is it illegal for a qualified driver to fit L plates? If there is nothing in the law that states fully licensed drivers cannot use L plates then nothing can be enforced, I guess.

    There is no law against me walking around with crutches even though I don't have a broken leg.

    Obviously the reason is to show other drivers the level of competence of the person driving. Would you get on a bus that had a 'L' plate displayed, or would you assume the driver was qualified and just put the plate up for the hell of it !
    Correct, amazing some ppl here can't grasp that concept,no wonder we're in the state we're in


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    #176
    BronsonTB
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    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    Fair enough. It had to happen.

    But I hope there's not too much happy clapping given that I presume a large amount of people posting here did just that back in the day.

    Might help explain the appalling drivers on our roads today....

    At least if learners now learn the basic rules, there is hope for the future.
    (And the garda now have in the meantime the power to get more law breakers off the road if they don't comply)

    www.sligowhiplash.com - 3rd & 4th Aug '24 (Tickets on sale now!)



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    #177
    [Deleted User]
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    Henry Ford III wrote: »
    No excuse. My belief is anyone on a motorway displaying L plates should be flogged and have their tyres shredded.

    I have no idea why it bothers people if a qualified driver has L places if they share a car. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to have to put them on and off.


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    #178
    salmocab
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    Jackson Young Sandpaper wrote: »
    I have no idea why it bothers people if a qualified driver has L places if they share a car. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to have to put them on and off.

    Have to say I’d agree with this, I don’t think it’s a big deal leaving them up. Worse case some people take extra care around them or a gaurd pulls them over and sends them on their way when they show their full license.


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    #179
    martyc5674
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    salmocab wrote: »
    Have to say I’d agree with this, I don’t think it’s a big deal leaving them up. Worse case some people take extra care around them or a gaurd pulls them over and sends them on their way when they show their full license.

    It’s just a bit of extra clarity... no ambiguity which may otherwise exist. I guess sometimes people don’t give the extra space/patience required because they assume the L plates may be related to another driver. But do you really ever know?
    By removing them each time it removes doubt.


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    #180
    kilianmanning
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    I had my full licence at 17 & 7 months, always drove around unaccompanied. (Wasn't as strict in 2012 so I risked it). I know a lot of people that could accompany learner drivers that shouldn't be allowed near a steering wheel themselves, so I completely disagree with this idiot Irish law. As said by previous posters it should be done like other countries where one isn't let out on the road until they have a licence. No need for any enforcement then! Not likely that it will be enforced anyway. :pac:


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    #181
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,297 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    kilianmanning wrote: »
    I had my full licence at 17 & 7 months, always drove around unaccompanied. (Wasn't as strict in 2012 so I risked it). I know a lot of people that could accompany learner drivers that shouldn't be allowed near a steering wheel themselves, so I completely disagree with this idiot Irish law. As said by previous posters it should be done like other countries where one isn't let out on the road until they have a licence. No need for any enforcement then! Not likely that it will be enforced anyway. :pac:

    I’m not sure I can understand your post you disagree with this law but think we should what other countries do? Other countries are far tighter on these things than we are.


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