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Beast from the east?

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  • #32
    igCorcaigh
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    That's what I'm saying. The snow in Cork in Feb/March was a massive exception to the the norm that we'd see possible here.

    2010 was light snow that barely lasted a day. Roads were a bit icy and that was it mostly.

    Yeah, down here the 2010 snow was a day event. I remember the weeks of freezing weather running up to Christmas 2009 though!


  • #33
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Defaulter1831 wrote: »
    Yes I was too. But they were wrong :)

    It's only in recent years the curriculum has been changed to the proper definition.

    We all got the St. Bridget's day start of Spring etc. I remember a Dutch girl in college laughing at the concept of the seasons in Ireland.

    Every country is different. The Celtic winter was historically the darkest, not the coldest part of the year. In fact plenty of cultures had that - look at how mid winter or mid summer is celebrated across Europe.


  • #34
    EdgeCase
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    OP basically if you want reliable snow for winter sports or even just looking at, you need to be booking winter holidays in a country with reliable snow.

    That's why going abroad for ski holidays is so popular.


  • #35
    OldMrBrennan83
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    In 2010 I got marooned in my house in Tyrone for the duration of Christmas. No water, no heating, couldn't even use the jacks as the water in it was solid. Crashed the car making one last attempt to get out on Christmas eve and had to abandon it. That was more low temps than actual snow though. 1982 was the last proper snow.


  • #36
    antodeco
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    In 2010 I got marooned in my house in Tyrone for the duration of Christmas. No water, no heating, couldn't even use the jacks as the water in it was solid. Crashed the car making one last attempt to get out on Christmas eve and had to abandon it.

    That not just a normal day in Tyrone? :pac:


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  • #37
    Defaulter1831
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Every country is different. The Celtic winter was historically the darkest, not the coldest part of the year. In fact plenty of cultures had that - look at how mid winter or mid summer is celebrated across Europe.

    True enough. I'm looking at it meteorologically though. A system in place hundreds of years. Yes daylight is one way. Astronomical winter is 23 Dec to 23 Mar. It really corresponds with temperature.


  • #38
    Gimme A Pound
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Yeah, down here the 2010 snow was a day event. I remember the weeks of freezing weather running up to Christmas 2009 though!
    The snow in late 2010 was very much not a one-day event in Cork. Just look it up.


  • #39
    kenmc
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    ninjarambohd wrote: »
    Hey all. So having lived in this beautiful country for the past 18 years I never really experienced mild winters like we are kind of experiencing now. Last year it was kind of the same and then in March we got hit with a lot of snow. Now me having emigrated from a country which snowed a lot in winter I must say I am really fond of snow so do you all think we may get snow again this year?

    Fingers crossed. Soooo much better than the dreary wet windy -sorry stormy- crap we've had since Halloween.


  • #40
    igCorcaigh
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    Dane Unsightly Vehicle wrote: »
    The snow in late 2010 was very much not a one-day event in Cork. Just look it up.

    Really? I'm just going by memory. This was in city centre anyway.


  • #41
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Defaulter1831 wrote: »
    True enough. I'm looking at it meteorologically though. A system in place hundreds of years. Yes daylight is one way. Astronomical winter is 23 Dec to 23 Mar. It really corresponds with temperature.

    Not really hundreds of years. As I said mid winter festivals in Europe tend to be about now and mid summer festivals around the 21st June.

    meteorological seasons are probably from the scientific era. It makes sense if you are talking about weather. That said, although February is colder here than November there isn’t much in it.

    Btw many cold countries date winter from the first snow.

    https://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/seasons-in-finland


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  • #42
    OneOfThem Stumbled
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    Defaulter1831 wrote: »
    Yes I was too. But they were wrong :)

    It's only in recent years the curriculum has been changed to the proper definition.

    We all got the St. Bridget's day start of Spring etc. I remember a Dutch girl in college laughing at the concept of the seasons in Ireland.

    The average temperature the last 4 Marches was 5.9 degrees Celsius.
    The average temperature the last 4 Decembers was 7 degrees Celsius.

    By that logic December should be Autumn and March should be winter.

    Temperature can vary a lot, from year to year. Something that is a *lot* more constant is length of day. Having the shortest day in the middle of winter, and longest day in middle of summer makes way more sense than near the beginning of both.

    I mean are daffodils really a winter flower? Really?


  • #43
    Defaulter1831
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Not really hundreds of years. As I said mid winter festivals in Europe tend to be about now and mid summer festivals around the 21st June.

    meteorological seasons are probably from the scientific era. It makes sense if you are talking about weather. That said, although February is colder here than November there isn’t much in it.

    Btw many cold countries date winter from the first snow.

    https://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/seasons-in-finland

    Hundreds of years if you look at the CET (Central England Temperature) it goes back to the founding of the Royal Scientific Society in 1659. Winter has been calculated as the average of Dec, Jan and Feb. Spring Mar, April, May. We were under British rule so yes 100s of years.

    There's a huge difference between November and February. I'll get some data..


  • #44
    Defaulter1831
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    OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »
    The average temperature the last 4 Marches was 5.9 degrees Celsius.
    The average temperature the last 4 Decembers was 7 degrees Celsius.

    By that logic December should be Autumn and March should be winter.

    Temperature can vary a lot, from year to year. Something that is a *lot* more constant is length of day. Having the shortest day in the middle of winter, and longest day in middle of summer makes way more sense than near the beginning of both.

    I mean are daffodils really a winter flower? Really?

    You've just made my point about Astronomical Winter 23rd December until 23rd March. The first 3 weeks of March are more likely to be colder than the first 3 weeks of December. Same with the first 3 weeks of September being more likely to be warmer than the first 3 weeks of June.


  • #45
    Defaulter1831
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Not really hundreds of years. As I said mid winter festivals in Europe tend to be about now and mid summer festivals around the 21st June.

    meteorological seasons are probably from the scientific era. It makes sense if you are talking about weather. That said, although February is colder here than November there isn’t much in it.

    Btw many cold countries date winter from the first snow.

    https://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/seasons-in-finland

    Average February temp at Dublin airport 5.3C. Average November temperature 7.3C. 2C is MASSIVE. And March average is 6.7C, 0.6C colder than November, that's a huge difference.

    Lads some here are just arguing for the sake of it. If you went onto the Meteorological fora with some of these arguments you'd be laughed out of it.


  • #46
    Defaulter1831
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    It's very difficult to consider November winter when it can only deliver nationwide snow once a generation in the last week of the month like November 2010. The synoptics have to be perfect. February on the other hand has been delivering memorable winter months throughout history, recent and further back. Off the top of my head 1991, 1986, 1963, 1947, 1933, 1917.


  • #47
    cnocbui
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    There is a well established lag between solar radiance and the weather one might expect to result from it, due to the thermal inertia of the planet, particularly oceans. It's called the hysteresis effect. So the coldest and hottest weather in a year can usually be expected to lag the winter and summer solstices by a month or two.


  • #48
    Defaulter1831
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    OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »
    The average temperature the last 4 Marches was 5.9 degrees Celsius.
    The average temperature the last 4 Decembers was 7 degrees Celsius.

    By that logic December should be Autumn and March should be winter.

    Temperature can vary a lot, from year to year. Something that is a *lot* more constant is length of day. Having the shortest day in the middle of winter, and longest day in middle of summer makes way more sense than near the beginning of both.

    I mean are daffodils really a winter flower? Really?

    Flowers is a very bizarre way of counting seasons. Some years there are no frosts before Christmas. Nastertiums survive. Are Nastertiums a winter flower? Really?

    Fact is in the Northern Hemisphere the seasons are generally defined as:

    Winter: December, January, February
    Spring: March, April, May
    Summer: June, July and August
    Autumn: September, October, November


  • #49
    Franz Von Peppercorn
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    Defaulter1831 wrote: »
    Average February temp at Dublin airport 5.3C. Average November temperature 7.3C. 2C is MASSIVE. And March average is 6.7C, 0.6C colder than November, that's a huge difference.

    Lads some here are just arguing for the sake of it. If you went onto the Meteorological fora with some of these arguments you'd be laughed out of it.

    I often post there.

    Coldness is just one way to measure winter. Length of day is another. Since Ireland doesn’t get that cold,and each month is so variable, and the strength of the sun in March is much more than November I’m inclined to informally go with the old Celtic rules while accepting the meteorologist view in their domain.

    One thing I do know - September can feel like late summer and there’s many a time I’ve continued my summer routines in September. November is nearly as dark as December, and while not cold - invariably miserable.


  • #50
    Graces7
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    Defaulter1831 wrote: »
    Flowers is a very bizarre way of counting seasons. Some years there are no frosts before Christmas. Nastertiums survive. Are Nastertiums a winter flower? Really?

    Fact is in the Northern Hemisphere the seasons are generally defined as:

    Winter: December, January, February
    Spring: March, April, May
    Summer: June, July and August
    Autumn: September, October, November

    well said. I have a few fine marigolds showing full bright orange, Flowers respond to weather. Some years that goes badly wrong when fruit blossom emerges early in very mild weather before the pollinators are out. so no fruit is set and the crop lost. We are truly at the mercy of the vagaries and mercy of the weather

    daffodils are a late winter flower and will cope with snow and frost .. take you rpick!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=daffodils+snow&rlz=1C1GCEA_enIE809IE809&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM7fXFqsDfAhXGURUIHf-8B_AQ_AUIDigB&biw=1152&bih=606

    sorry; falling asleep and canno tfix that!


  • #51
    Defaulter1831
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    well said. I have a few fine marigolds showing full bright orange, Flowers respond to weather. Some years that goes badly wrong when fruit blossom emerges early in very mild weather before the pollinators are out. so no fruit is set and the crop lost. We are truly at the mercy of the vagaries and mercy of the weather

    daffodils are a late winter flower and will cope with snow and frost .. take you rpick!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=daffodils+snow&rlz=1C1GCEA_enIE809IE809&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM7fXFqsDfAhXGURUIHf-8B_AQ_AUIDigB&biw=1152&bih=606

    sorry; falling asleep and canno tfix that!

    Agreed Grace. Happy New Year and hope it's a safe one for you without extremes that effect you, particularly wind.


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  • #52
    Defaulter1831
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    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108826969&postcount=1338

    sryanbruen is a brilliant young meteorologist on the weather fora. In the post above he reviews autumn past. Just to show that is how all the meteorological, historical and scientific people on the weather thread describe the seasons. It's not even something that's debated.

    Start of March, the spring thread opens, start of June summer, start of September autumn and start of December winter.


  • #53
    Defaulter1831
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    I often post there.

    Coldness is just one way to measure winter. Length of day is another. Since Ireland doesn’t get that cold,and each month is so variable, and the strength of the sun in March is much more than November I’m inclined to informally go with the old Celtic rules while accepting the meteorologist view in their domain.

    One thing I do know - September can feel like late summer and there’s many a time I’ve continued my summer routines in September. November is nearly as dark as December, and while not cold - invariably miserable.

    Fair enough, each to their own :) I'm strongly of the view point outlined. But when you hit 16C around Valentine's like in 1998 it can feel very Spring like with the lengthening days.

    Then Valentine's is the date SAD starts to improve from also. So light v Average temperature really.


  • #54
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    antodeco wrote: »
    2010/2011 if I remember correctly? Certainly in Dublin it was fairly heavy!

    There was much less snow in the west and south. But what did fall stuck because it was so cold. Two good periods where it was well below zero even during the day. But nowhere near the amount of snow Dublin got.
    Dane Unsightly Vehicle wrote: »
    The snow in late 2010 lasted several days and the roads were not just a bit icy. It was treacherous. It started in early December, then thawed, then came back about 10 days before Christmas, and thawed very quickly - overnight Christmas day and into St Stephen's Day.

    You know it didn't just barely last a day.

    If he lived in coastal Cork, it could have been that brief. I recall a satellite image of Ireland from the time and the south coast of Cork was green while the rest of the country was white. There wasn’t full countrywide coverage.


  • #55
    Mrcaramelchoc
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    Warning warning something something warning.


  • #56
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Defaulter1831 wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108826969&postcount=1338

    sryanbruen is a brilliant young meteorologist on the weather fora. In the post above he reviews autumn past. Just to show that is how all the meteorological, historical and scientific people on the weather thread describe the seasons. It's not even something that's debated.

    Start of March, the spring thread opens, start of June summer, start of September autumn and start of December winter.

    Weather data enthusiast. He isn’t a qualified meteorologist.


  • #57
    Defaulter1831
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Weather data enthusiast. He isn’t a qualified meteorologist.

    He's too young to be a qualified meteorologist alright but he's more than a weather data enthusiast.

    I'm a weather data enthusiast but Sryan brings a whole new level of scientific knowledge about weather forecasting to the table. After MT Cranium you have himself, Villain who are the next most knowledgeable. 4 or 5 more very very godd aswell.

    A weather data enthusiast can list off various weather events and years and has a good memory. This kid (still only leaving cert) is way ahead of just being concerned with historical data.


  • #58
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Defaulter1831 wrote: »
    He's too young to be a qualified meteorologist alright but he's more than a weather data enthusiast.

    I'm a weather data enthusiast but Sryan brings a whole new level of scientific knowledge about weather forecasting to the table. After MT Cranium you have himself, Villain who are the next most knowledgeable. 4 or 5 more very very godd aswell.

    A weather data enthusiast can list off various weather events and years and has a good memory. This kid (still only leaving cert) is way ahead of just being concerned with historical data.

    Still not a meteorologist though, which takes a lot of study to achieve. The only type of meteorologist is a qualified one who has been through lots of coursework and exams. As someone with a scientific qualification myself, no way would I have got there without outside instruction and people pointing out my mistakes.

    He even acknowledges himself in that post that the information is from Met Eireann.


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
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    Christmas 2010 was bigger than the beast from the east.


  • #60
    Defaulter1831
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Still not a meteorologist though, which takes a lot of study to achieve. The only type of meteorologist is a qualified one who has been through lots of coursework and exams. As someone with a scientific qualification myself, no way would I have got there without outside instruction and people pointing out my mistakes.

    Of course i take your point. But if you follow his posts it becomes apparent he's a bit special. I'm a scientist too but that kid's work is thorough and he has the brain power. He's more than a 'weather data enthusiast':D


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  • #61
    wakka12
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    I love snow too OP but unforuntately no amount of wishing will change what is a typically mild wintered climate. We seem to get a 'snow event' (a few inches of snow lying for a few consecutive days) roughly every 4-5 years at sea level


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