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Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭goat2


    No one knows who did arrive on Tuesday and turf out the security, some are saying IRA, we don't know, no names have been issued, just that a gang showed up to take back the house


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    goat2 wrote: »
    No one knows who did arrive on Tuesday and turf out the security, some are saying IRA, we don't know, no names have been issued, just that a gang showed up to take back the house

    Local gombeens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    gandalf wrote: »
    I wonder will Sinn Fein condemn it or celebrate it?


    they will condemn it. sf as a party always condemn incidents. individual members may have their own views but they won't be speaking on behalf of the party.
    Couldn't they just say that they were tenants of the bank?

    i'd doubt it tbh. they would have to show something such as a tenantsy agreement i'd imagine. such an agreement couldn't be put together now as a writing expert i'd suspect may be able to give an estimation as to when it was actually printed.
    also, the security were taking payment for carying out the eviction so i'd imagine there is nothing that can be done for them now.
    Something really needs to be done about the dregs who think everything should be free, and want to "rise up in revolution"

    already is being done. it's called law enforcement and justice.
    SF are a dangerous breed and represent a danger to our Republic.

    Make no mistake, they need to be fought at every turn by those who believe in the ideals of morality, democracy and law and order.

    this is scaremongering and inaccurate. sf are a legitimate political party and are the opposite of being a threat to the republic.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    they will condemn it. sf as a party always condemn incidents. individual members may have their own views but they won't be speaking on behalf of the party.



    i'd doubt it tbh. they would have to show something such as a tenantsy agreement i'd imagine. such an agreement couldn't be put together now as a writing expert i'd suspect may be able to give an estimation as to when it was actually printed.
    also, the security were taking payment for carying out the eviction so i'd imagine there is nothing that can be done for them now.



    already is being done. it's called law enforcement and justice.



    this is scaremongering and inaccurate. sf are a legitimate political party and are the opposite of being a threat to the republic.

    Their magic beans economic policies is surely the answer to all our problems


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    goat2 wrote: »
    No one knows who did arrive on Tuesday and turf out the security, some are saying IRA, we don't know, no names have been issued, just that a gang showed up to take back the house

    Well it wasn’t the girl guides...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Well said Peter Casey calling a spade a spade re this issue.

    Start listening at 6 minutes 40 seconds.

    https://cdn.radiocms.net/media/001/audio/000040/244056_media_player_audio_file.mp3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,598 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Well said Peter Casey calling a spade a spade re this issue.

    Start listening at 6 minutes 40 seconds.

    https://cdn.radiocms.net/media/001/audio/000040/244056_media_player_audio_file.mp3


    why would I want to listen to an audio file of man calling a spade a spade?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Well said Peter Casey calling a spade a spade re this issue.

    Start listening at 6 minutes 40 seconds.

    https://cdn.radiocms.net/media/001/audio/000040/244056_media_player_audio_file.mp3

    I'm not listening to that eejit. If what he says is so wonderful you should be able to describe it.


  • Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    why would I want to listen to an audio file of man call a spade a spade?

    Calling it a geomorphological removal instrument sounds better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    gandalf wrote: »
    seligehgit wrote: »
    Well said Peter Casey calling a spade a spade re this issue.

    Start listening at 6 minutes 40 seconds.

    https://cdn.radiocms.net/media/001/audio/000040/244056_media_player_audio_file.mp3

    I'm not listening to that eejit. If what he says is so wonderful you should be able to describe it.
    Peter Casey for taoiseach


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Peter Casey for taoiseach


    not going to happen. thankfully.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Peter Casey for taoiseach
    not going to happen. thankfully.

    Remember they said the same about Donny Boy!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Get Real




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,153 ✭✭✭Ronan|Raven


    Get Real wrote: »

    There really is a special breed of thick **** in this Country. What is there end game? To drive KBC from Ireland? Well they wont. Utter ****ing morons and the mouth breathers who cheer this on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,467 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    There really is a special breed of thick **** in this Country. What is there end game? To drive KBC from Ireland? Well they wont. Utter ****ing morons and the mouth breathers who cheer this on.

    Totally agree.

    There is a large number of people in this country who think this type of action is acceptable, and indeed deserved.

    Simply because the bank try to get money owed to them from a shyster after 9 years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Totally agree.

    There is a large number of people in this country who think this type of action is acceptable, and indeed deserved.

    Simply because the bank try to get money owed to them from a shyster after 9 years.

    As I said when elected TDs are standing in the Dail ranting and refusing to condone this carry on it’s going to end one way.

    Country is going into dangerous times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,548 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    We've already not got enough competition so..... Let's force out the foreign banks.... Make them sell their loans to vulture funds and debt collectors on the way out...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,107 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Two released without charge in the Strokestown affair last night.


  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone know the size of the farm or how much it would be worth?
    Or ball park ?

    This is up for 300k
    https://www.myhome.ie/commercial/brochure/bushfield-castleplunkett-roscommon/4233943
    Lot 1: The Entire.
    Lot 2; Character 2 B/R residence of c. 1,050 sq.ft standing on c. 1 acre mature site area. BER: G. Price Guide €60,000 o.n.o.
    Lot 3: c. 19.26 acres of prime lands located to the rear of the said residence. Price Guide €140,000 o.n.o.

    Now interesting thing is the site with the house is valued 60k - how much will putting these people into accommodation cost the state? They will be straight to welfare as they make a living off the land and wont be reskilling to work for intel or microsoft anytime soon. So that is rental welfare until they die assuming a normal life expectancy its a few decades.


    So why didnt KBC break up the farm? Sell the farm sheds, machinery, land etc. It is not in the taxpayers interest to have banks kick people out to be a burden on the state because of the banks stupid lending practices. Remember this bank was bailed out by the Belgian government and their flawed lending practices meant they were going bust.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,548 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Anyone know the size of the farm or how much it would be worth?
    Or ball park ?

    This is up for 300k
    https://www.myhome.ie/commercial/brochure/bushfield-castleplunkett-roscommon/4233943



    Now interesting thing is the site with the house is valued 60k - how much will putting these people into accommodation cost the state? They will be straight to welfare as they make a living off the land and wont be reskilling to work for intel or microsoft anytime soon. So that is rental welfare until they die assuming a normal life expectancy its a few decades.


    So why didnt KBC break up the farm? Sell the farm sheds, machinery, land etc. It is not in the taxpayers interest to have banks kick people out to be a burden on the state because of the banks stupid lending practices. Remember this bank was bailed out by the Belgian government and their flawed lending practices meant they were going bust.

    So... Free houses for all so as not to be a burden on the state.

    Grand.


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  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyone know the size of the farm or how much it would be worth?
    Or ball park ?

    This is up for 300k
    https://www.myhome.ie/commercial/brochure/bushfield-castleplunkett-roscommon/4233943



    Now interesting thing is the site with the house is valued 60k - how much will putting these people into accommodation cost the state? They will be straight to welfare as they make a living off the land and wont be reskilling to work for intel or microsoft anytime soon. So that is rental welfare until they die assuming a normal life expectancy its a few decades.


    So why didnt KBC break up the farm? Sell the farm sheds, machinery, land etc. It is not in the taxpayers interest to have banks kick people out to be a burden on the state because of the banks stupid lending practices. Remember this bank was bailed out by the Belgian government and their flawed lending practices meant they were going bust.

    They’re already a drain on the taxpayers. If everyone decided to refuse to repay their mortgages, should they be left rent free in the property? Personal responsibility seems to be gone out the window. Sick to the teeth of these leeches.


  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So instead the banks get everything, as usual, and the state gets the big bill for the welfare?
    sounds great

    Its grand, keep throwing the money at the banks and bondholders regardless, but keep fighting among ourselves for the crumbs.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/kenny-says-well-pay-our-dues-a-year-after-varadkar-said-not-another-cent-350805-Feb2012/#comments
    2012
    EXACTLY A YEAR on from Leo Varadkar’s now infamous “not another cent” comments during the general election, Taoiseach Enda Kenny has restated that Ireland will not impose losses on bondholders.

    Kenny has told Bloomberg television that Ireland will not seek any write-down on its debt and will not impose losses on bondholders.
    2018
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/taoiseach-rejects-roll-over-leo-claim-in-anglo-bondholder-payout-row-1.3736886
    The former Anglo Irish Bank, which was merged with Irish Nationwide Building Society and renamed the Irish Bank Resolution Corporation, was liquidated in 2013. Taxpayers committed €34.7 billion in total, with the prospect of little if any recovery.

    The Taoiseach rejected the “roll over Leo” moniker Sinn Féin finance spokesman Pearse Doherty attributed to him. Mr Doherty said Fine Gael, including the Taoiseach when he was a minister in 2015, pledged that there would be no repayment to bondholders.

    “We were all assured that they would not be paid back,” he said, adding that it was Christmas present for bondholders while taxpayers pick up tab for a bank that should never have been bailed out in the first place.
    Bondholders

    Mr Doherty said the former governor of the Central Bank Patrick Honohan argued strenuously against paying these bondholders.

    “He said there was a moral case for making sure that any money recovered from the liquidation was returned to taxpayer and not junior bondholders.”

    Mr Doherty told the Taoiseach that “under your watch bondholders are in line for a bumper pay out, scandalous stuff. They gambled on a bust bank and can’t believe their luck with this Government”.

    He accused the Government of prioritising banks, vulture funds and bondholders. The State would take on the victims of cervical cancer or those misdiagnosed in Kerry with it or people going to court to seek rights for their children “but when it comes to bond holders who are unguaranteed,” the State would pay €33 billion of debt.

    Mr Doherty asked the Taoiseach “are your promises given to the Irish people in 2015 not worth the paper they are written on?”
    A group of Anglo Irish Bank junior bondholders, who resisted attempts to make them share the failed lender’s losses, are set to recoup all that they are owed.

    And many junior bondholders will be paid back the full value of bonds they bought during the crisis at deeply discounted prices.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/anglo-bondholders-to-get-all-their-money-in-270m-payout-1.3736049

    AIB/KBC/Anglo etc just different cards in the same pack


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭the butcher


    It's all well and good shouting about responsibility regards the farmer but nothing said about the banks and their reckless lending for 2 decades now. Equal responsibility. If you can't agree with that, well then no wonder we get into property bubbles and bank bailouts.

    There were other options to consider from KBC and they picked the worst one by far, optically and economically. Vulture fund is the only entity that would touch that asset now, no way will the locals go near it. Fund will sit on it for a decade or two to the detriment of the community there. It's a drip drip repossession game out there for 10 years because if they tried the tsunami, we'd be getting a lot more of this uproar across the country.


  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    People please wake up, 34 billion debt for the banks.....you could build 113,000 houses at 330k a pop for that, let the banks fail and told them they get nothing as punishment for their terrible lending practices, created new banks and we wouldnt be having an accommodation crisis.

    You wouldnt be letting people away mortgage free, you`d discount x% or something. The point is we took the debt on anyway. We wouldnt have lost a generation to emigration if you spent the money finishing houses or building new ones/infrastructure within reach of dublin.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/what-the-roscommon-eviction-is-really-about-893666.html
    Mr Varadkar’s now famous line to Mr Doherty, “it doesn’t take very long for your balaclava to slip”, was akin to striking a match to an oil field. It was all you could see, hear, and talk about, commanding metres in column inches and gigahertz in radio waves.

    Division complete. Distraction on course. Job pretty much done.

    Except it’s far, far from done.

    Here are some facts — courtesy of the Central Bank of Ireland.

    There are 29,000 homes in arrears in Ireland. We are not talking a missed payment here and there. We are talking 29,000 residential mortgages that have “accumulated at least two years worth of missed payments”.

    OK, so 29,000 homeowners not paying their mortgage, no big deal?

    Well, let’s ignore the spin and the headlines again, and once more rely on the Central Bank of Ireland for some clarity here.

    It is estimated that half of those 29,000 will be repossessed. So all that furore up in Roscommon, all the moving parts of that story, the schoolboy debating in the Dáil, the row over who and who isn’t explicitly condemning violence, is, you could say, perhaps a distraction from the real issue here.

    This isn’t just about one eviction in Roscommon, this is about another 15,000 evictions coming down the line.

    The alarm bells have been ringing on this for some time.

    “Over half of the cases progressing to long-term arrears [those 29,000 homes] are classified as involving the potential for loss of ownership outcomes,” said the Central Bank in its quarterly bulletin on April 10, 2018.

    “It is important to understand that loss of ownership may take place in two main ways for PDH [(private dwelling homes] accounts: Voluntary or enforcement.”

    So far in Ireland, over two-thirds of “loss of ownership” have come about voluntarily, and one-third through repossessions, as we saw in Roscommon last week.

    Some more facts: 17% of all long-term mortgage arrears are held by unregulated loan owners, those so-called vulture funds. And God only knows how they will go about getting men, women, and children out from under their roofs.

    If these soon-to-be-repossessed 15,000 homes go down the Roscommon route of forced eviction, who is and who isn’t condemning violence will be the least of our country’s worries.

    There are already 10,000 people in homelessness in Ireland. If at least two people live in each of those 15,000 soon-to-be-repossessed properties, does that mean we will see another 30,000 of our citizens being declared as homeless?

    It is estimated by some that there may even be three people in each of those homes — not to be alarmist but does that mean another 45,000 people out on the streets or in hubs?

    If we already have 10,000 homeless and, worst-case scenario, we add 45,000 others to that, we are looking at being a modern democratic English-speaking first-world country with a homeless population of 55,000 people.

    How did we ever end up here?


  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's all well and good shouting about responsibility regards the farmer but nothing said about the banks and their reckless lending for 2 decades now. Equal responsibility. If you can't agree with that, well then no wonder we get into property bubbles and bank bailouts.

    There were other options to consider from KBC and they picked the worst one by far, optically and economically. Vulture fund is the only entity that would touch that asset now, no way will the locals go near it. Fund will sit on it for a decade or two to the detriment of the community there. It's a drip drip repossession game out there for 10 years because if they tried the tsunami, we'd be getting a lot more of this uproar across the country.

    When borrowers refuse to either repay their loans nor work with their lenders to reach agreement, they don’t deserve any sympathy.
    If people came into my local shop and continuously “bought” goods on “tick” making no effort to clear the bill, how long would that shop stay in business? It’s not for fun that shops now have signs up telling customers not to ask for credit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    People please wake up, 34 billion debt for the banks.....you could build 113,000 houses at 330k a pop for that, let the banks fail and told them they get nothing as punishment for their terrible lending practices, created new banks and we wouldnt be having an accommodation crisis.

    You wouldnt be letting people away mortgage free, you`d discount x% or something. The point is we took the debt on anyway. We wouldnt have lost a generation to emigration if you spent the money finishing houses or building new ones/infrastructure within reach of dublin.

    So what do you suggest?

    Burn all the banks to the ground with all our money in them?

    Great, then what????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    People please wake up, 34 billion debt for the banks.....you could build 113,000 houses at 330k a pop for that, let the banks fail and told them they get nothing as punishment for their terrible lending practices, created new banks and we wouldnt be having an accommodation crisis.
    .

    And what about everyone's money that was on deposit? Peoples savings? Tough ****, moneys gone?


    Thered be actual pensioners getting shafted there .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,548 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    People please wake up, 34 billion debt for the banks.....you could build 113,000 houses at 330k a pop for that, let the banks fail and told them they get nothing as punishment for their terrible lending practices, created new banks and we wouldnt be having an accommodation crisis.

    You wouldnt be letting people away mortgage free, you`d discount x% or something. The point is we took the debt on anyway. We wouldnt have lost a generation to emigration if you spent the money finishing houses or building new ones/infrastructure within reach of dublin.

    This is all nonsense sadly.

    Nothing to do with KBC for one, but the main point is that debt associated with Anglo and inbs has long since been rolled over with Irish government bonds. I. E. You'd be screwing over people who lent to the state in good faith (if you could even decide which lenders you'd screw over)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    A mate of mine just sent me a WhatsApp of a KBC bank wrecked, with a slogan underneath, 'dont fcuk with the bhoys'.

    I sent him one back asking if he's planning on not paying for the new car he just bought. He hasn't replied yet, funny enough.


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  • Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So what do you suggest?

    Burn all the banks to the ground with all our money in them?

    Great, then what????

    You do realise right that the ratio of actual physical money in notes etc is tiny compared to the amount of virtual money whizzing around the internet. Burn down the banks? The banks would say ‘please do’. They’ve been trying to move us to online branchless banking for years.


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