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Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,447 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    riemann wrote: »
    No that's probably not true.

    A likely circumstance is a man engaged in business unfortunately not in full understanding of how the tax system works at first. Instead of putting vat contribution of invoice away, it goes into cash flow.
    Stupid, yes.
    Criminal, no.
    Illegal, yes.

    Sad situation for all involved.

    Revenue penalties of 100% of the unpaid VAT indicate a severe and sustained lack of co-operation with Revenue.

    Not, as you describe, a person "unfortunately not in full understanding of how the tax system works"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,447 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    goat2 wrote: »
    Was the business that he ran successful, if not, may be he could not afford to pay,


    He collected VAT from customers, and kept it.

    177,000 VAT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,929 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    This thread is throwing up some great stuff. A retired guard in his fifties is not a pensioner, even.though he is on a pension.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    goat2 wrote: »
    Was the business that he ran successful, if not, may be he could not afford to pay,

    No idea, but in business you charge tax and then pay it to revenue and not pocket €177,000


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Geuze wrote: »
    He collected VAT from customers, and kept it.

    177,000 VAT.

    For our slow friends, that could pay the annual salary of 2 nurses and 3 Special Needs Assistants...

    Yet, people defend him...

    If you defend this guy, you basically give up your right to complain about our public services and lack of funding thereof.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    eagle eye wrote: »
    This thread is throwing up some great stuff. A retired guard in his fifties is not a pensioner, even.though he is on a pension.

    I believe 25 years service and you can retire full pension.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Dank Janniels


    Iv been offline all day today, what an absolute u turn all this has become!! Poor innocent elderly couple to a middle aged tax dodging farmer!! Haha brilliant!! Hon the Rossies!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,858 ✭✭✭worded


    STB. wrote: »
    That's about as relevant as discussing Irish taxpayers and unsecured bond holders.

    Banks are cúnts. There was an awful lot of gambling going on between 2000 and 2006 and those gambling debts were covered by the Irish taxpayer. KBC made a net profit after tax of €113m for the first six months of this year. They recently sold just under €2 billion of non performing loans to Goldman Sachs, so lets say they are not in the halfpenny place.

    Nobody disagrees that people must pay back their loans. I resent it myself! It was the manner in which they did it in this particular case that is under debate. There are many in this thread who are not getting that point.

    Here is corruption for you ...

    Wells Fargo Bank Corruption in the USA – Skip to about 30 mins unless you have the time to listen to the history of the bank ...

    Jaw dropping corruption e.g. where their dedicated whistling blowing line lead to the whistle blower being fired. 1000s of whistle blowers got the bullet !

    https://open.spotify.com/episode/7IuY8qs0iEmF8w0sNAKvyQ?si=WL3sNqBVQgmfWE7PsC-tgA

    Bank worth 250 Billion ! Wealthiest bank in USA. Warren Buffet major stake holder


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,929 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Jeff2 wrote:
    I believe 25 years service and you can retire full pension.
    30 for all emergency services I believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Being a retired Garda does not make you a pensioner. You can retire from AGS at 50 years old.

    Not bailed out by the Irish taxpayer, therefore absolutely no argument


    doesn't matter as we don't know when he retired or his age. doesn't change the facts of the disgraceful treatment he received.

    that doesn't change the behaviour of the individuals carying out the eviction.

    I've seen the video. What disgraceful treatment did he receive. I saw him on the ground with the security guys pinning him down. Neither you nor I know what led to that but I can assure you it wasn't because he was minding his own business on the street.

    I didn't see the security lads thumping the fcuk out of anyone. I saw them doing no more than any bouncer would do on a Saturday night.

    You can argue that the security aren't licenced, I can't say if they are or aren't.

    Face facts, none of this would have happened if:

    a. The mortgage was paid.

    b. The farmers obeyed the court order and left the bank's property without a struggle.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    BattleCorp wrote: »

    Face facts, none of this would have happened if:

    a. The mortgage was paid.

    b. The farmers obeyed the court order and left the bank's property without a struggle.

    Facts are the enemy of the plebs and mob.
    The snowflakes feel that what happened is wrong, so to hell with facts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Anna kavanagh is doing a live feed with Gerry o Boyle now. He says these evictions are constantly happening in rural areas. Michael fitzmaurice was also on the live feed earlier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I saw her writing about this on broadsheet.ie
    She comes across as a bit of a loon, a Ben Gilroy type going on about 'foreigners' taking over Irish land. Evoking Cromwell and all that stuff as well.

    God, some people are just stupid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    riemann wrote: »
    LOL a unionist trying to infer someone else is thick.

    Wow einstein you seem to know alot about unionists. Is this another sectarian jibe that all folk of a unionist persuasion are mentally inferior.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I've seen the video. What disgraceful treatment did he receive. I saw him on the ground with the security guys pinning him down. Neither you nor I know what led to that but I can assure you it wasn't because he was minding his own business on the street.


    I didn't see the security lads thumping the fcuk out of anyone. I saw them doing no more than any bouncer would do on a Saturday night.

    You can argue that the security aren't licenced, I can't say if they are or aren't.

    doesn't matter, the goons dished out disgraceful treatment to a former agent of the state. they aren't entitled to engage in such behaviour. what other's supposibly did or didn't do is irrelevant.
    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Face facts, none of this would have happened if:

    a. The mortgage was paid.

    b. The farmers obeyed the court order and left the bank's property without a struggle.

    face facts, all of that is irrelevant. there was no justification for the behaviour of those carying out the eviction.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    face facts, all of that is irrelevant. there was no justification for the behaviour of those carying out the eviction.


    LOLZ.

    Yeap, its irrelevant alright that this guy has not reportedly paid back a cent of the loan he agreed back in 2004,
    nor the fact that he owed and cheated the taxpayer out of €450,000,
    or a local businessman out of €18,000,
    or the fact that there is a court order asking him to leave his farm,
    or the fact a gang of 20 people attacked 8 men going about their lawful duty, killing a dog and burning out a bunch of cars while at it...

    All of this is 'irrelevant' because of some facebook video that shows not much at all.

    About 25 years ago, you would be the type of person trying to defend old priests from being sent to jail because they raped little boys and girls because of some other 'facts'.

    As, I keep saying. Some people are just so stupid and immoral.


  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Justice must be spread evenly, have Sean Fitzpatrick, Sean Quinn, David Drumm and Sean Dunne been evicted? It cannot be a 'them and us' justice system. Irish culture knows injustice and reacts violently to it.


    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/12/04/surely-we-deserve-full-transparency/?fbclid=IwAR3ztQUTsb83hcK9N7xN2hRIQ9TC9Ruf-gNY47-7QLiV4RQput1Xfuf3efI
    In May of last year, the then Taoiseach Enda Kenny told the Dáil that the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement (ODCE) would provide a full report into the collapse of the trial of former Anglo Irish Bank chief Seán FitzPatrick.
    The Business and Enterprise Minister Heather Humphreys was interviewed by Áine Lawlor on RTÉ’s News at One this afternoon about the refusal to publish the full report and the decision to, instead, publish a 30-page summary-like document about the shortcomings.
    The following exchange came after Ms Humphreys – who said she intends to turn the ODCE into an independent statutory agency and said the ODCE has since received more money and staff – insisted the ODCE is doing a “lot of good work”.
    Áine Lawlor: “We have heard all these promises about transparency and accountability and resources and all the rest before. The track record, as you’ve referred to yourself, is patchy to say the least.
    “Now, the Cabinet, the Government has, according to media reports, a 235-page report from the ODCE, with 3,000 pages of appendices, going through all the previous failings. Now given that Anglo Irish and IBRC, between them cost the Irish State and taxpayer nearly €35billion and that debt is still there in the national debt – why should the public not have the fullest account?
    “Why are we only getting this 30 pages that you’ve published today?”
    “Surely we deserve full transparency here?”
    Heather Humphreys: “Yeah, well I just want to say that I’d like to be able to publish this report but I can’t. Because of legal advice, I would be contravening the Companies Act, if I did so – that’s why I have, today, published an account of the shortcomings identified by Judge Aylmer…I just want to make sure that what happened in the past, and it is historic now, will not happen again.”

    From April & nothing since - arent the media just wonderful. Earn your keep of go bust, social media will ruin you.
    Sean FitzPatrick’s wife claiming about €6m in assets
    Catriona FitzPatrick tells High Court the couple did not lead an extravagant lifestyle
    Wed, Apr 25, 2018
    Mr FitzPatrick was declared bankrupt with assets of some €47 million and debts of €147 million, and has since exited bankruptcy.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/sean-fitzpatrick-s-wife-claiming-about-6m-in-assets-1.3473894

    Dont think you`d find loyalist thugs being hired to beat up and throw Seanie on the side of the road.
    Former Anglo Irish Bank chairman, Sean FitzPatrick, had a €22m pension fund from Anglo Irish Bank when he retired as CEO in 2005, he told the High Court.
    He and his wife Catriona took €5m of that out in cash and used it to help fund investments, he said.
    The court is deciding whether Mrs FitzPatrick has a €6m beneficial interest in 18 assets despite her husband having being declared a bankrupt in 2010 and from which he has since exited.
    Later securities included the interests the couple has in investment portfolios with stockbrokers, Bloxham, Davy, NCB, Morgan Stanley, Merrion and the Quinlan fund.
    Other securities, held by their children, included in relation to first legal charges over four flats in London and another in Bray, Co Wicklow, Mr FitzPatrick said.
    By 2007 there were 29 items of additional security, none which were part of the disputed 18 assets before the court, he said.
    He believed the rough value of those additional securities was some €40m but said that was an understated valuation because they also included a Nigerian oil field which was only valued at €15m for the purpose of security but was, he said, actually valued at some €38m.
    The case resumes on Tuesday.

    So does anyone know what happened that Tuesday back in April?

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/sean-fitzpatrick-had-a-22m-pension-fund-from-anglo-irish-bank-court-hears-839743.html
    The banker, who had previously claimed his income was down to just €188 a month, pitched up at the swanky Smurfit-owned K Club — where rooms can cost €900 a night — for the wedding. The following year, brazen FitzPatrick even had the neck to line out at a lavish testimonial dinner for rugby legend Brian O’Driscoll at the exclusive Grosvenor House Hotel in London’s Mayfair.
    The supposedly skint financier mingled happily with the likes of Bono, Niall Horan, Emeli Sande and Prince William at the VIP BOD bash — prompting many to question how he afforded the €700-a-head entry. All the while, Seanie was holidaying in the States, and stayed at five-star hotels in Poland during the Euro 2012 footie tournament.
    And when he’s not relaxing at his plush home in Greystones, Co Wicklow, he is regularly to be found striding about the swanky Druids Glen golf resort in Newtownmountkennedy.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/1044955/champagne-seanie-fitzpatrick-free-to-live-high-life-again-after-being-cleared-of-criminality-at-anglo-irish-bank/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭LillySV




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    eagle eye wrote: »
    This thread is throwing up some great stuff. A retired guard in his fifties is not a pensioner, even.though he is on a pension.

    But those who want to make a point mention 'pensioner' in the hope that the reader thinks of a person 65+, not the technical meaning of the word, which could mean a relatively young person if they were a Government minister.


  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Also the sheer fact they we are bringing people into the country who are getting accommodation FOR FREE and who have never paid a penny makes no sense. Its not like the people who are behind in mortgage payments havent paid a cent

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    If the bankers who damn near bankrupt the country can get away without being evicted and if we can afford to house people who dont need to pay anything while evicting our own then justice in this country needs a major reshaping

    Doesnt matter what they paid or havent paid because we are housing people who pay nothing
    Doesnt matter what scams they are or arent involved in because we are not evicting the bankers who scammed a nation

    We should fight back against a two tier justice system or we again become second class citizens in our own country


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    A slightly racist post?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    markodaly wrote: »
    LOLZ.

    Yeap, its irrelevant alright that this guy has not reportedly paid back a cent of the loan he agreed back in 2004,
    nor the fact that he owed and cheated the taxpayer out of €450,000,
    or a local businessman out of €18,000,
    or the fact that there is a court order asking him to leave his farm,
    or the fact a gang of 20 people attacked 8 men going about their lawful duty, killing a dog and burning out a bunch of cars while at it...

    All of this is 'irrelevant' because of some facebook video that shows not much at all.


    About 25 years ago, you would be the type of person trying to defend old priests from being sent to jail because they raped little boys and girls because of some other 'facts'.

    As, I keep saying. Some people are just so stupid and immoral.

    not at all, i have never defended and would never defend anyone involved in child abuse. i haven't even defended the individual who was subject to the eviction. however i have rightly condemned the behaviour of the violent thugs which caried out the eviction and i make no apologies for that. and yes, to me the behaviour of the business man while absolutely wrong is irrelevant to the behaviour of the individuals who caried out the eviction. it is a matter for revenue the courts and anyone else he owes money to.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    NIMAN wrote: »
    A slightly racist post?

    BS, point out exactly where its racist?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,473 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    not at all, i have never defended and would never defend anyone involved in child abuse. i haven't even defended the individual who was subject to the eviction. however i have rightly condemned the behaviour of the violent thugs which caried out the eviction and i make no apologies for that. and yes, to me the behaviour of the business man while absolutely wrong is irrelevant to the behaviour of the individuals who caried out the eviction. it is a matter for revenue the courts and anyone else he owes money to.

    You are funny. You do realise the courts ordered the family to vacate the farm... you do realise he refused to do so, so had to be physically removed?

    How would you remove a person without physically touching them? Play the pipped pipper?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    BS, point out exactly where its racist?

    Its like something you'd see posted by the National Front or BNP in England.


  • Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    markodaly wrote: »
    You are funny. You do realise the courts ordered the family to vacate the farm... you do realise he refused to do so, so had to be physically removed?

    How would you remove a person without physically touching them? Play the pipped pipper?

    I agree with you, but i will agree with the other posted first and foremost until the likes of the bankers who went bankrupt but still live in their mansions are evicted and preferably dragged out.

    Until the 'us and them' system is equalised people should make the inequality cost
    NIMAN wrote: »
    Its like something you'd see posted by the National Front or BNP in England.

    Ok those are ugly parts of the interwebs, yes, but where is the image/text/post actually racist?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭Maewyn Succat


    Billcarson wrote: »
    Your wasting your time in talking to most in this thread. They are a disgrace to this country with their pro establishment bs. We are supposed to keep our heads down and bow and smile to our masters . They can't get it into their heads that people are unhappy with the way this country is run. Granted i don't have all the answers myself but anything has to be better then keeping the status quo. But sure fg and ff have been doing so well this last nearly hundred yrs. What happened in roscommon disgusted many but this thread is full of know it alls who are afraid of any change.

    The issues you seem to have problems with have nothing to do with what happened in Roscommon. That coupled with a complete lack of understanding of how it all got to this stage make you look like very immature or out of touch with how things work in the real world.

    You say you don't have all the answers. I don't think you have any of the answers and come across as just another left wing lunatic who feels hard done by.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    2018-12-17.png
    Ok those are ugly parts of the interwebs, yes, but where is the image/text/post actually racist?
    Out with the Old; old white people.
    In with the new; young black family.

    It's along the lines of "immigrants get free house, free car, free job".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Picture on facebook with captions say more than real facts ever will.
    Is there an actual source for the second picture?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven


    Ipso wrote: »
    Picture on facebook with captions say more than real facts ever will.
    Is there an actual source for the second picture?


    https://twitter.com/campaignforleo/status/1059399695078998016?lang=en


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