Strokestown **Mod Note in Post #4461**

Ipso

markodaly wrote: »

LOLZ.

Yeap, its irrelevant alright that this guy has not reportedly paid back a cent of the loan he agreed back in 2004,
nor the fact that he owed and cheated the taxpayer out of €450,000,
or a local businessman out of €18,000,
or the fact that there is a court order asking him to leave his farm,
or the fact a gang of 20 people attacked 8 men going about their lawful duty, killing a dog and burning out a bunch of cars while at it...

All of this is 'irrelevant' because of some facebook video that shows not much at all.

About 25 years ago, you would be the type of person trying to defend old priests from being sent to jail because they raped little boys and girls because of some other 'facts'.

As, I keep saying. Some people are just so stupid and immoral.

Probably the same people complaining about high interest rates.

markodaly

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree with you, but i will agree with the other posted first and foremost until the likes of the bankers who went bankrupt but still live in their mansions are evicted and preferably dragged out.

Until the 'us and them' system is equalised people should make the inequality cost

So, you just want some sort of bloodless revolution, where it's just the bankers who get turfed out of their homes.

Classic idiot populism.

AngryHippie

markodaly wrote: »

How would you remove a person without physically touching them?

RELEASE THE HOUNDS !!!:rolleyes:

I don't have a dog in this fight, but....
I think their treatment could have been more professional and less physically punitive.

I have no sympathy for them in light of the debt defaults, tax dodging and general sh1tehawk behavior, the eviction was legit but the execution was bungled and kak-handed. they should have been coffin carried off the property at shoulder heighth.

As for the whataboutery of Seanie Fitz and that other band of hoors, they (and their co-conspirators and beneficiaries) should be given no comfort or quarter in the country until they have been punished.
Those turnips do not equal these turnips.

The state should be the First order creditor in all cases however. Is that not the case ?

markodaly

markodaly wrote: »

So, you just want some sort of bloodless revolution, where it's just the bankers who get turfed out of their homes.

Classic idiot populism.

Evictions should begin with the bankers/golden circle etc

NIMAN

Deleted User wrote: »

Evictions should begin with the bankers/golden circle etc

...but would you agree that eventually folks like our family in Strokestown will have to be thrown out too?

Ipso

Weren’t there large marches where the public expressed support for Sean Quinn?

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

...but would you agree that eventually folks like our family in Strokestown will have to be thrown out too?

In some cases yes, these guys - probably.
Things that would need to be done to level the playing field, take the wind out of violent mobs sails, and take the wind out of the sails of people like me would be:

More non recourse lending - put the weight of responsibility on the banks
No issuing mortgages that extend beyond the working life of someone (i.e you are 50 and they issue you a 30 year mortgage)
Make it illegal for a bank to seek a guarantor for lending - no more bankrupting mammy and daddy if you default etc. The banks need to assess if a borrower can stand on their own two feet and not seek to stack the game 100% in their favour.
If a bank is found to be in breach of lending standards and IF the defaulter is all out of assets and the last thing left if their home then the courts should be able to determine if a write down up to X% is appropriate.
If you lend for something like farm machinery or a car - you can seize the assets but nothing else - i.e you cant go after someones home, but you could go after say an investment property or maybe even the surrounding farm land.

But above all - equality in the justice system. Its a vital part of a functioning democracy to see justice handed out evenly. You cant have Sean Fitzpatrick in a mansion still with millions after going bankrupt while dragging people out of their homes for what is the same thing. I`d argue that Fitzpatrick deserves harsher treatment because it affected the whole country. Anyway I know it can sound like whataboutery but this is what the violent mobs see and this is what creates the feeling of injustice that gives the evictees the backing.

KBC were bailed out by Belgium (the HQ in Belgium pumped the money into the Irish branch as per my posts with full links the other day) because their landing practices were so bad their business would have failed. They have never had to take any punishment for these landing practices. So in a perverse way I`m glad to see the banks hitting a wall.

boetstark

Can somebody pls provide footage of the security employees assaulting people. All I have seen is reasonable force being used to remove the occupants on foot of a court order. Surely if the security guys assaulted the occupants the thick fella with the camera phone would have it recorded.
From a personal point of view I tried to have a court order enforced by a county sheriff in Ireland. Guess what , the debtor told him go piss off and laughed. To this day I have not received a cent. No company in Ireland available to enforce a court order. Laughable...

Ipso

boetstark wrote: »

. No company in Ireland available to enforce a court order. Laughable...

Culture boss!

Larbre34

Ipso wrote: »

Weren’t there large marches where the public expressed support for Sean Quinn?

Not just that, managers and executives of the interests that took up the remants of the Quinn holdings are to this day subject to intimidation and attacks on their property.

Mike9832

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Also the sheer fact they we are bringing people into the country who are getting accommodation FOR FREE and who have never paid a penny makes no sense. Its not like the people who are behind in mortgage payments havent paid a cent

Country is going to ****

Should be like Australia

If you haven't got 5000e in savings in an Irish bank account shouldn't be allowed entry

A family should need 15000e for entry

I am in a privileged position as have no mortgage, ok job etc

If I wasn't in such a position and was working hard in Dublin paying a 1800e a month for my family and then saw that wanker Leo posting this **** on twitter, I would be thrilled

Its all wrong

Jeff2

LillySV wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/revealed-former-owner-of-roscommon-property-has-unpaid-debts-that-stretch-back-almost-a-decade-37634724.html


how are people defending this .... person...

He's a hero for fighting the elite... Or something.

Not a dodge paying anything he thought he could get away with person.

AllForIt

Is the reason it's called strokestown because it's full of ****?

gandalf

Has this really turned into an anti immigration thread now as well. Fvck me the twisting some are doing here to defend a shyster is getting on Olympic gymnastics levels now.

Jeff2

OneEightSeven wrote: »

https://twitter.com/campaignforleo/status/1059399695078998016?lang=en

Haha. Bally Fecken Mun.

Then again the council have a better chance of getting paid from them than the KBC had from the chancer in Strokestown.

EagererBeaver

riemann wrote: »

woddensanta wrote: »

Sir, I am simply inferring that the people going on the sectarian diatribe are somewhat intellectually challenged, though I assume from your post that you consider unionists to be some sort of sub spices that has no business challenging even the most obvious of bigoted on their outbursts?

Please don't refer to me as sir, or Lord. I am a citizen of a Republic, with a constitution recognising all men and women as equal.

Noone gives a **** whether you are blue, black or orange.

And what a fine citizen you are. Your family and country are so proud.

facehugger99

Deleted User wrote: »

I see the dog-whistle racists are out now.

Yep questioning evictions in the context of an accommodation crisis while we boost population numbers via migration is just plain racist now.
Questioning the fairness of evictions in the context of social housing allocation - regardless of race - is apparently also racist.

Failing to address perceived inequality will fuel mobs like at Strokestown. Do it at your own peril and probably at your childrens peril

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-quinn/huge-scale-of-immigration-is-making-our-housing-crisis-worse-35498057.html

In 2015, 17pc of people living here were "foreign-born" (to use the term in the report). In Britain, the equivalent percentage is 13.

Aside from tiny Cyprus and Luxembourg, no country in the EU has a higher percentage of migrants from other EU countries (10pc).

Now, think about this for a moment.

In Britain, there is a very big debate about immigration. Many British people are concerned about their country's ability to absorb such a large number, to "manage" migration properly, as Mr Varadkar might put it.

The unemployment rate for all recent immigrants was 20 per cent though there were large variations by nationality. Among Brazilians 30 per cent of those in the labour force were unemployed, while only 4.5 per cent of German national immigrants were in this category.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp11eoi/cp11eoi/lfnmfl/

Black Africans recorded the highest unemployment rate (36 per cent), and were four times more likely to be unemployed than White Irish individuals.

https://www.esri.ie/news/ethnicity-and-nationality-in-the-irish-labour-market/

Where do these people live and who pays for it?

In contrast the working poor are having trouble with accommodation:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/specialreports/defence-forces-wages-so-low-they-are-told-not-to-have-children-870171.html

The Irish Defence Forces is “broken” with wages so low that some soldiers are facing homelessness and being told not to have children

“Our families live in poverty. We suffer from food, income, fuel, and child poverty. Many of us can only dream of owning our home, and some this month are facing uncertainty about their homes, while others are facing homelessness. I personally know these people,” said Sarah Walshe of the Wives and Partners of the Defence Forces organisation.

https://www.thejournal.ie/defence-forces-protest-3349755-Apr2017/

MEMBERS OF THE DEFENCE Forces have been forced to go to loan sharks as they struggle to make ends meet on their current wages.

Spouses, partners and other family members today protested outside army barracks all across the country to highlight their financial struggles as a result of recessionary pay cuts.

Just remember if the result of Brexit ends up being a United Ireland and that causes trouble in the North these are the people you are sending into harms way.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/naval-ship-cant-patrol-irish-13280721

A naval ship cannot patrol Irish waters as there are not enough sailors to man it.

The boat, normally tasked with defending a stretch of water off the coast inside the so-called Irish box, is tied up at Haulbowline Naval Base in Co Cork .

A whistleblower said: “The lads are disgusted, they want to do their work but there is simply not enough sailors to take her to sea.

“The Naval Service is at crisis point with staffing levels because of the extreme austerity suffered by the service.

“There are also a lot of people leaving because of pay issues – it is a tough job but they have proven themselves at sea in the Mediterranean in recent years.”

Whats the point in wasting so much of our resources fighting drugs when we cant even send ships out to intercept? Do we even have enough capability in the aer corp to spot them anyway? (maybe a better use of funds than NAMA would have been sorting out all brances of the decrepit defence forces).

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/sailors-in-the-navy-forced-to-bunk-on-ships-as-cant-afford-rent-424583.html

Young sailors who can’t afford soaring rents are sleeping in cramped bunks onboard ships when they’re off-duty; while some soldiers who have to commute long distances to work are sleeping in cars to save money.

Join the dots between these issues and how the people in this case in Roscommon even got support.
And again please point out where I am being racist - i.e discriminating based on race.

gandalf

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep questioning evictions in the context of an accommodation crisis while we boost population numbers via migration is just plain racist now.
Questioning the fairness of evictions in the context of social housing allocation - regardless of race - is apparently also racist.

Failing to address perceived inequality will fuel mobs like at Strokestown. Do it at your own peril and probably at your childrens peril

But the Strokestown eviction is down to a "cute hoor" not paying his debts and defrauding the Revenue (us).

EagererBeaver

A boyo in Roscommon being lawfully evicted from his home for being, well, a thieving ****, is in no way related to the state policy on immigration. To attempt to connect the two is undoubtedly racist. You therefore, are a racist. Pretty ****ing simple to be honest.

People can absolutely take issue with immigration policies and express their views on it without being racists. That's not happening here.

markodaly

markodaly wrote: »

Facts are th.....

Whoa whoa whoa what are ya doing?!!!

Xcellor

How do do you evict someone who doesn't want to leave willingly in a way that will look good on camera?

absolute state of this fcuking thread

shows the calibre of the rabble left

intimidation against the law of the land

vigilante violence

shamelessness in aversion to facts

complete inability to discern freeman truth from complex reality

can't process personal responsibility

cant process how the fella who sounds like you takin the p1ss is the same as the banker takin the p1ss

cant have anything happen they dont like without squealing about bankers or water charges

cling desperately to any uncertainties and spin rubbish from them, treat this rubbish as valid until proven otherwise, move on to next uncertainty, repeat

bonus: happy to associate quietly with sectarian, racist and vigilante posters when it suits their agenda


lads ye all get one vote, regardless of how many boards accounts ye have. the results each election cycle make for cold reading for ye. wise up and take a hint, ye frankly struggle in a scary and confusing modern world and probably deserve pity but maybe lay off the hateful rhetoric it puts ye in very ugly company historically

BattleCorp

BattleCorp wrote: »

Face facts, none of this would have happened if:

a. The mortgage was paid.

b. The farmers obeyed the court order and left the bank's property without a struggle.

end of the road wrote: »

face facts, all of that is irrelevant.

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pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

absolute state of this fcuking thread

shows the calibre of the rabble left

intimidation against the law of the land

vigilante violence

shamelessness in aversion to facts

complete inability to discern freeman truth from complex reality

can't process personal responsibility

cant process how the fella who sounds like you takin the p1ss is the same as the banker takin the p1ss

cant have anything happen they dont like without squealing about bankers or water charges

cling desperately to any uncertainties and spin rubbish from them, treat this rubbish as valid until proven otherwise, move on to next uncertainty, repeat

bonus: happy to associate quietly with sectarian, racist and vigilante posters when it suits their agenda


lads ye all get one vote, regardless of how many boards accounts ye have. the results each election cycle make for cold reading for ye. wise up and take a hint, ye frankly struggle in a scary and confusing modern world and probably deserve pity but maybe lay off the hateful rhetoric it puts ye in very ugly company historically

Peter Casey becoming president was huge.

Water John

There is a diff between an asset being taken and a main residence. The debtor was in default and made no effort to pay, quite different from someone hitting hard times and having made an effort.
These things are nuanced, it's not all banks bad, debtor good, in every case.
The other issue is that this was the home of the two others who lived in the house. They too have rights.
The Kingstons in Cork still live in the farmhouse AFAIK.

EagererBeaver

Deleted User wrote: »

shows the calibre of the rabble left

Somewhat betraying your own embarrassing prejudice here. What's this got to do with right Vs left? How many left wing farmers with hundreds of thousands of euro debt do you know down Roscommon way?

noodler

donkeykong5 wrote: »

So rte are FINALLY covering the story now?

What? It's been ont heir website for over 36 hours

STB.

markodaly wrote: »

LOLZ.

Yeap, its irrelevant alright that this guy has not reportedly paid back a cent of the loan he agreed back in 2004,
nor the fact that he owed and cheated the taxpayer out of €450,000,
or a local businessman out of €18,000,
or the fact that there is a court order asking him to leave his farm,
or the fact a gang of 20 people attacked 8 men going about their lawful duty, killing a dog and burning out a bunch of cars while at it...

As, I keep saying. Some people are just so stupid and immoral.

Mark nobody has been defending people who have not paid their mortgage or anything of the sort. For me and many others, its the manner in which it was done.

The 8 men were not going about lawful duty. Security for serving high court judgements is not regulated in this country. That is why you had Northern private security of possible dubious origins with no visible ID's pulling people out of a house. This could have been done correctly in January using less in your face means and nothing would have happened and Ben Gilroy would not have turned it into what it is, making comparisons with 200 years ago.

Everything else is a a side show including:

Cheating the taxpayer. There is no need to raise this as a point. There are TD's in the Dáil who are repeat offenders in this area yet no one pays a blind bit of notice and they remain in office.

Also the 18k debt would not have helped the "businessman". Said businessman left a huge debt behind.

The money owed on the house and the manner in which it was not paid is enough to evict. There is no need to cast any further stones.

We need to regulate the behavior of a lot of things starting with vulture funds, so called security (so that we have proper evictions without dissidents getting involved). We only do light touch regulation in this country because of the eejits that are voted in and where no one is called to account.

This government have run this country into the ground. The infrastructure is creaking. Transport, Health and Housing. Key components of society. The levels of personal debt enforced on working people through bailouts will remain with us for a long time.

The banks did not know how to recover monies they crazily gave out in the late 90s early 2000s so their solution was to sell them off to vulture funds, 10 years later. We will have a lot more of this over the next while.

The solution is unknown. Politics is in a bad way. SF would have us paying for everything. FF & FG have shown they have no ideas. The Labour Party sold their souls and there are only reminants left. What options remain ?

gandalf

noodler wrote: »

What? It's been ont heir website for over 36 hours

Shhh your are ruining their narrative about the MSM with your facts!!